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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2015 => Topic started by: Paul Jaray on September 30, 2014, 03:24:54 AM
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What is this?
1 point for you.
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Formule France?
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The few elements I have (builders, engine, where it was shown, etc...) says 'no' but there are some similarities.
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But it is Renault-based?
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It even has Renault badge on its body, if it's not just something similar.
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It is Renault-powered.
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Ah yes! To be honest I hadn't even spotted the Renault badge on the side, but noticed that the wheels looked very Renault-ish.
Of course, a logo on the side of a race car doesn't always mean that it is using their engine (e.g. F1 Infinity Red Bull Racing, Lada, Leyland Williams, etc.) ;)
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Since you mentioned the 'where it was shown' part, could it be not French, but, say, Belgian?
As for the logo-engine connection, I suspect back in the days it was easier to understand :P
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Since you mentioned the 'where it was shown' part, could it be not French, but, say, Belgian?
You are half right!
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Argentina?
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Wrong continent.
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So, European?
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Yes!
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Would be surprised, but is it Italian?
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Yes!
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Is the engine a Renault 8 956cc unit? Would make it fit into the F3 regulations of those years.
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According to my source it's a Renault-powered F3...no details about which engine, but I believe you are right. ;)
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1966?
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Or a 1967 FC1000 of Franco Conti, by any chance? I don't know which engine it used, though.
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The bodywork appears to be an attempt at a wedge shape, which became fashionable towards the 1969/71 period. I've checked the race entries for Italian F3 for that era, and there's nothing Renault powered. Earlier years had works Alpines, and the French BEP cars, but I can't imagine why an Italian constructor would use a Renault engine when it was clearly uncompetitive.
Was it ever raced?
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That's what puzzles me as well :huh:
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This car was shown in 1969 in a racetrack. I've never heard of it and I don't think it ever raced.
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Was it in Monza?
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Yes!
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Sadly, that doesn't help much. I could only suppose now that the builder was based in Milano or around. Also, if there is a name mentioned, do you have any information on whether the builder was also a racing driver himself?
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There are 3 names involved.
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Did at least one of them race in Formula 3 in Italy before presenting this car?
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Those 3 names do not ring me any bell... if you can PM a link to a page with a list of pilots, I can check there. I did a search with each name plus 'F3' with no result.
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I don't have a definitive list of drivers, I wanted to use that information for further search. Looks like it wouldn't be fruitful, though :)
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I made a search through wikipedia or similar sites...I thought you knew a site where you can find a list of pilots...I don't know how to verify...according to my source, they were 2 ex mechanics (1 for a known swiss pilot, 1 for a company I don't know) and a student.
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The Swiss pilot is Clay Regazzoni, by any chance?
Was one of the related names Enzo Giorla 'Dovina' then?
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I made a search through wikipedia or similar sites...I thought you knew a site where you can find a list of pilots...I don't know how to verify...according to my source, they were 2 ex mechanics (1 for a known swiss pilot, 1 for a company I don't know) and a student.
Not Regazzoni and Giorla.
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Fredy Kessler, mechanic for Jurg Dubler?
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Fredy Kessler, mechanic for Jurg Dubler?
No & no.
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I've found out how difficult it is to research details of mechanics of the time. I'm trying to focus on the Swiss driver - it could of course be Jo Siffert, or maybe Silvio Moser or Charles Voegele. I know the answer you need is the name of his mechanic, but if I can work out the driver, the rest will follow.
Did the mechanic you seek work for Jo Siffert back when he was a privateer?
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I've found out how difficult it is to research details of mechanics of the time. I'm trying to focus on the Swiss driver - it could of course be Jo Siffert, or maybe Silvio Moser or Charles Voegele. I know the answer you need is the name of his mechanic, but if I can work out the driver, the rest will follow.
Did the mechanic you seek work for Jo Siffert back when he was a privateer?
Not Jo Siffert or Voegele ;)
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So - Beat Schenker ?
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So - Beat Schenker ?
Not him...all names sound Italian.
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After days of searching, I still can't find other Silvio Moser's mechanics but Beat Schenker and (probably, as I'm not sure that I read the Italian text correctly) either Aldo Pessina or his mother (?!).
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Not Aldo Pessina or his mother...
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3 letters, 1st on is 'M'.
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The OP is trying to help us folks, so I reckon we could share information.
I have gone through all entry lists for F3 events in 1969 and 1970 in for Italy and southern France, and there is no mention of any car with three letters in the name starting with "M".
So the OP was probably correct - the car never raced, or certainly not in any important race. I suspect the builders quickly realised how uncompetitive it was.
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One of the builders was Michele de Guglielmo.
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Now just 2 letters are missing...
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MAO?
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;)
One of the builders was Michele de Guglielmo.
MAO
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One of the builders was Michele de Guglielmo.
3 letters, 1st on is 'M'.
Those are 2 different clues ;)
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MCG?
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Nope, but you got the clue right ;)
MCG
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MGP?
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MG
P
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MGA? ;D
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MG
A
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Pure guessing game now: MGB?
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Pure guessing game now: MGB?
I know, but since you are running alone, it won't take much ;).
MGB
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MGD?
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MG
D
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MGE?
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;D
Keep going............. and good luck........
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Not MGE.
..and it's open to anyone ;)
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MGF?
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MG
F
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MGI?
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MG
I
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MGM(otorsport)?
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MGH ?
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MGL?
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Not MGM, MGH or MGL.
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MGK ?
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Not MGK.
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MGN ?
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MGO?
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No & No.
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MGQ ?
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Nope.
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MGJ ?
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MGR?
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MGR?
:bow:
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Time to move it.
Well done, point for you!