Solved -PJ626- MGR F3, 1969

Paul Jaray · September 30, 2014, 03:24:54 AM

What is this?
1 point for you.

nicanary · September 30, 2014, 04:52:30 AM

Formule France?

Paul Jaray · September 30, 2014, 05:39:59 AM

The few elements I have (builders, engine, where it was shown, etc...) says 'no' but there are some similarities.

Djetset · September 30, 2014, 05:43:40 AM

But it is Renault-based?

faksta · September 30, 2014, 07:02:59 AM

It even has Renault badge on its body, if it's not just something similar.

Paul Jaray · September 30, 2014, 07:14:32 AM

It is Renault-powered.

Djetset · September 30, 2014, 07:19:13 AM

Ah yes! To be honest I hadn't even spotted the Renault badge on the side, but noticed that the wheels looked very Renault-ish.

Of course, a logo on the side of a race car doesn't always mean that it is using their engine (e.g. F1 Infinity Red Bull Racing, Lada, Leyland Williams, etc.)

faksta · September 30, 2014, 07:57:18 AM

Since you mentioned the 'where it was shown' part, could it be not French, but, say, Belgian?

As for the logo-engine connection, I suspect back in the days it was easier to understand

Paul Jaray · September 30, 2014, 07:58:01 AM

Quote from: faksta on September 30, 2014, 07:57:18 AM
Since you mentioned the 'where it was shown' part, could it be not French, but, say, Belgian?

You are half right!

faksta · September 30, 2014, 07:58:59 AM

Argentina?

Paul Jaray · September 30, 2014, 08:06:44 AM

Wrong continent.

faksta · October 01, 2014, 01:54:04 AM

So, European?

Paul Jaray · October 01, 2014, 01:56:49 AM

Yes!

faksta · October 01, 2014, 01:59:41 AM

Would be surprised, but is it Italian?

Paul Jaray · October 01, 2014, 04:15:57 AM

Yes!

faksta · October 01, 2014, 04:38:31 AM

Is the engine a Renault 8 956cc unit? Would make it fit into the F3 regulations of those years.

Paul Jaray · October 01, 2014, 05:32:47 AM

According to my source it's a Renault-powered F3...no details about which engine, but I believe you are right.

faksta · October 01, 2014, 05:54:31 AM

1966?

faksta · October 01, 2014, 06:13:20 AM

Or a 1967 FC1000 of Franco Conti, by any chance? I don't know which engine it used, though.

nicanary · October 01, 2014, 07:34:27 AM

The bodywork appears to be an attempt at a wedge shape, which became fashionable towards the 1969/71 period. I've checked the race entries for Italian F3 for that era, and there's nothing Renault powered. Earlier years had works Alpines, and the French BEP cars, but I can't imagine why an Italian constructor would use a Renault engine when it was clearly uncompetitive.

Was it ever raced?

faksta · October 01, 2014, 07:45:37 AM

That's what puzzles me as well

Paul Jaray · October 01, 2014, 04:35:40 PM

This car was shown in 1969 in a racetrack. I've never heard of it and I don't think it ever raced.

faksta · October 02, 2014, 02:11:17 AM

Was it in Monza?

Paul Jaray · October 02, 2014, 07:52:50 AM

Yes!

faksta · October 02, 2014, 08:06:52 AM

Sadly, that doesn't help much. I could only suppose now that the builder was based in Milano or around. Also, if there is a name mentioned, do you have any information on whether the builder was also a racing driver himself?

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Solved -PJ626- MGR F3, 1969