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Title: Solved -PJ686- 1957 Pasqualetti 750 Sport
Post by: Paul Jaray on September 24, 2015, 04:29:01 PM
What is this?
1 point for you!
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Post by: oko94 on September 24, 2015, 05:40:36 PM
Italian body and chassis ?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on September 24, 2015, 06:08:54 PM
Yes & yes.
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Post by: nicanary on September 24, 2015, 07:12:01 PM
This puzzle has been promoted to the Pros immediately, which suggests it isn't easy.  But it looks awfully like a Stanguellini 1100S.

But it has indicators fitted. Is this a recreation/replica of a 1950s etceterini?
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Post by: D-type on September 24, 2015, 09:32:31 PM
WRE-Maserati?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on September 25, 2015, 02:16:26 AM
Quote from: nicanary on September 24, 2015, 07:12:01 PM
This puzzle has been promoted to the Pros immediately, which suggests it isn't easy.  But it looks awfully like a Stanguellini 1100S.

But it has indicators fitted. Is this a recreation/replica of a 1950s etceterini?

Not a Stanguellini or a replica/recreation.
Not a WRE.
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Post by: oko94 on September 25, 2015, 02:49:47 AM
Any OSCA connection ?
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Post by: Carnut on September 25, 2015, 04:11:36 AM
Fiat-based?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on September 25, 2015, 04:37:55 AM
Quote from: oko94 on September 25, 2015, 02:49:47 AM
Any OSCA connection ?
Not Osca or connected.
Quote from: Carnut on September 25, 2015, 04:11:36 AM
Fiat-based?
Not Fiat-based.
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Post by: Arunas on September 25, 2015, 04:43:00 AM
Any Maserati bits in it?
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Post by: oko94 on September 25, 2015, 04:45:05 AM
Lancia underpinnings ?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on September 25, 2015, 04:47:28 AM
Not Maserati or Lancia bits.
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Post by: oko94 on September 25, 2015, 05:26:18 AM
Alfa Romeo underpinnings ?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on September 25, 2015, 05:29:35 AM
Not AR.
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Post by: oko94 on September 25, 2015, 05:35:36 AM
Ferrari underpinnings ?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on September 25, 2015, 05:45:03 AM
Not Ferrari.
We estabilished the car has italian body & chassis.
To avoid misleadings, please specify when you are guessing at the body, the chassis or the engine.
So far none of the names are good for any bit of it ;)
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Post by: Carnut on September 25, 2015, 05:50:07 AM
BMW engine?
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Post by: oko94 on September 25, 2015, 05:50:35 AM
An Italian special without any Fiat, Alfa or Lancia bit ? Now I understand why it went straight to the pros !

Is it powered by a motorcycle engine ?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on September 25, 2015, 06:17:32 AM
Not BMW or motorcycle engine.
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Post by: oko94 on September 25, 2015, 06:18:09 AM
Italian engine ?
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Post by: nicanary on September 25, 2015, 06:32:44 AM
Moretti?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on September 25, 2015, 06:52:48 AM
No & no.
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Post by: Carnut on September 25, 2015, 06:58:26 AM
British engine?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on September 25, 2015, 06:59:18 AM
Not British...
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Post by: nicanary on September 25, 2015, 07:08:46 AM
I completely misread the clues. I thought the whole car was Italian.

Panhard engine?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on September 25, 2015, 07:11:16 AM
Not Panhard-engined.
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Post by: nicanary on September 25, 2015, 07:14:01 AM
French engine?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on September 25, 2015, 07:15:35 AM
Not French.
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Post by: nicanary on September 25, 2015, 07:29:14 AM
Long shot - Crosley?
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Post by: oko94 on September 25, 2015, 07:33:56 AM
German engine ?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on September 25, 2015, 07:34:34 AM
Quote from: nicanary on September 25, 2015, 07:29:14 AM
Long shot - Crosley?
Long enough to be correct!
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Post by: oko94 on September 25, 2015, 07:40:02 AM
Siata chassis ?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on September 25, 2015, 07:43:41 AM
Not a Siata chassis.
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Post by: oko94 on September 25, 2015, 07:46:38 AM
Bandini chassis ?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on September 25, 2015, 07:49:43 AM
Not a Bandini chassis
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Post by: Carnut on September 25, 2015, 07:51:30 AM
Anything to do with Nardi then?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on September 25, 2015, 07:54:43 AM
Not Nardi...
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Post by: oko94 on September 25, 2015, 07:55:34 AM
Cisitalia chassis ?
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Post by: nicanary on September 25, 2015, 07:59:39 AM
Gilco?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on September 25, 2015, 08:00:43 AM
Not Cisitalia or Gilco chassis.
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Post by: oko94 on September 25, 2015, 08:29:53 AM
Ermini chassis ?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on September 25, 2015, 08:34:56 AM
Not Ermini.
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Post by: oko94 on September 25, 2015, 08:43:02 AM
Abarth chassis ?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on September 25, 2015, 08:47:26 AM
Not Abarth.
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Post by: oko94 on September 25, 2015, 08:50:56 AM
Giannini chassis ?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on September 25, 2015, 09:02:33 AM
Not Giannini.
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Post by: oko94 on September 25, 2015, 09:21:24 AM
Volpini chassis ?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on September 25, 2015, 01:02:47 PM
Not Volpini
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Post by: oko94 on September 25, 2015, 05:02:15 PM
Giaur chassis ?
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Post by: SACO on September 25, 2015, 05:13:11 PM
Osca chassis ?
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Post by: nicanary on September 26, 2015, 06:21:28 AM
I'm going more obscure - Mandarini ?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on September 26, 2015, 07:18:04 AM
Not Giaur Osca or Mandarini.
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Post by: nicanary on September 26, 2015, 07:33:27 AM
I keep wondering why someone in Italy would import a Crosley engine when the Fiat was already freely available. If the car was installed with the Crosley engine in the US, why would it have an Italian body?

Confused.....

Paganelli?
 
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Post by: Paul Jaray on September 26, 2015, 07:49:00 AM
...and if you knew which chassis it used!
Not Paganelli.
Time for a small clue: this care matches a Crosely engine with an italian chassis, taken from a popular car...but I'm pretty sure it was the only car with that chassis!
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Post by: oko94 on September 26, 2015, 07:50:45 AM
Excerpts from Wikipedia :

"Tony Pompeo, an American car dealer of Italian origin, was pleased with the previous Bandini 1100 and 1100 sport he had purchased, so he explicitly asked Ilario Bandini for cars to run in the 750 cc engine capacity category. Pompeo sent a Crosley engine to Bandini for him to study and use. Lightweight and compact, this American engine was very versatile, having been used with boats, aircraft, and even in fire pumps. [...] With the modified Crosley engine, the 750 sports torpedo was launched, contesting scores of races: hill climbs, road courses, and airbase circuits, as well as challenging six and twelve hour endurance events, such as the 12 Hours of Sebring or Mille Miglia, both of which were World Sports Car Championship rounds."

"Following the Amica, Siata introduced the 300BC Barchetta Sport Spider in 1951. The Barchetta Sport Spider was designed by Mario Revelli de Beaumont and built by Nuccio Bertone and Rocco Motto. Around 50 production models were created and predominantly featured either a 750 cc Crosley or 1100 cc Fiat engine."

So an Italian etceterini with Crosley engine is not that uncommon...
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Post by: nicanary on September 26, 2015, 07:52:44 AM
I also found the web entry above, but we know it's neither of those makes.

Am I correct in thinking this is a one-off chassis built by an otherwise well-known maker?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on September 26, 2015, 07:57:25 AM
Quote from: nicanary on September 26, 2015, 07:52:44 AM
I also found the web entry above, but we know it's neither of those makes.

Am I correct in thinking this is a one-off chassis built by an otherwise well-known maker?
The builder of this car (who build other specials too ;) ), took a Crosely engine (that he tuned) and a chassis to make this Sport.
The chassis was not from a one-off or expecially made for him, but taken from a well known maker.

BTW: Nardi used a Crosley engine too.
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Post by: mekubb on September 26, 2015, 08:02:57 AM
Don't believe it but ask anyway : de Tomaso ? May be the car is younger than it looks ?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on September 26, 2015, 08:07:47 AM
Not De Tomaso...how old do you think it is?
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Post by: oko94 on September 26, 2015, 08:16:28 AM
Innocenti chassis ?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on September 26, 2015, 08:17:37 AM
Not Innocenti, but you are really on the right path.
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Post by: Carnut on September 26, 2015, 08:23:34 AM
Autobianchi?!
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Post by: nicanary on September 26, 2015, 08:24:21 AM
Autobianchi ?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on September 26, 2015, 08:26:58 AM
Not Autobianchi.
(With right path I meant a maker you do not associate with racing car at all, not obscure but not active anymore)
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Post by: Wendax on September 26, 2015, 08:36:10 AM
Italian chassis at all?
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Post by: nicanary on September 26, 2015, 08:37:11 AM
Surely not a Vespa?
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Post by: oko94 on September 26, 2015, 08:42:02 AM
Prewar chassis ? Pretty much all postwar Italian car brands have already been mentioned...
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Post by: Paul Jaray on September 26, 2015, 08:42:55 AM
Italian postwar but not Vespa (but may be a connection there...).
I believe it's a matter of minutes, now...
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Post by: nicanary on September 26, 2015, 08:46:49 AM
Piaggio ?
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Post by: Wendax on September 26, 2015, 08:50:13 AM
Volpe?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on September 26, 2015, 09:11:48 AM
Not Volpe or Piaggio, but close to both.
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Post by: Wendax on September 26, 2015, 09:14:21 AM
Volugrafo?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on September 26, 2015, 09:15:47 AM
Not Volugrafo.
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Post by: oko94 on September 26, 2015, 09:24:11 AM
Isetta chassis ?
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Post by: Wendax on September 26, 2015, 09:27:19 AM
Panther?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on September 26, 2015, 09:33:21 AM
Quote from: oko94 on September 26, 2015, 09:24:11 AM
Isetta chassis ?
Not Isetta but from the same maker.
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Post by: Wendax on September 26, 2015, 09:40:48 AM
Iso 400?
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Post by: oko94 on September 26, 2015, 09:42:54 AM
Isocarro ?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on September 26, 2015, 09:43:34 AM
Much closer to the Isetta than the GTs...it was actually from a vehicle derived from an Isetta...
Quote from: oko94 on September 26, 2015, 09:42:54 AM
Isocarro ?

Yes!
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Post by: Paul Jaray on September 26, 2015, 09:46:09 AM
Pretty sure with the answer there will be a nice pic of this car with a couple of modern cars in the background very, very soon now...
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Post by: oko94 on September 26, 2015, 09:47:32 AM
1957 Pasqualetti 750 Sport, designed by Niko Giovannetti and built by Oreste Pasqualetti
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Post by: Paul Jaray on September 26, 2015, 10:25:15 AM
And we have a winner!
Title: Re: Solved -PJ686- 1957 Pasqualetti 750 Sport
Post by: oko94 on September 26, 2015, 12:39:15 PM
A most unexpected chassis for a sportscar ! Nice puzzle.
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Post by: mekubb on September 26, 2015, 04:05:54 PM
Very nice car, would look great on my driveway. ;)
Title: Re: Solved -PJ686- 1957 Pasqualetti 750 Sport
Post by: thorax on November 12, 2021, 09:21:18 AM
more pictures:
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Post by: nicanary on November 12, 2021, 11:50:32 AM
Thorax - you've just lost a potential new puzzle. That's a completely different car. It's rear-engined.
Title: Re: Solved -PJ686- 1957 Pasqualetti 750 Sport
Post by: thorax on November 15, 2021, 04:46:53 AM
Oh, no problem! just wanted to add more informations about Mr. Pasqualetti  :)