A heavy hauler.
For one point, please respond and identify this truck and the year of its appearance.
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Peugeot?
No
Alfa Romeo ?
No
Renault AGK?
No
not French then ???
Not French
German?
Not German
Not French, Not German so is it Italian?
Not Italian
Pegaso?
No
austin prototype
Not an Austin
Jensen?
No
British?
Not British
Carrying on the process of elimination: Not French, German, Italian, or British. Is it European at all?
Yes, European
eastern europe?
Not from Eastern Europe.
Austrian ?
Yes
Steyr?
No
Gräf & Stift?
No
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Osterreichische Austro Fiat?
No
Perl?
No
Saurer?
Yes. Locked for one guess to tell what is special about this truck.
I assume this is an ebay pic, which I can't find back. I am not very familiar with Saurer products so I am just making a rough guess here: there's something unusual with the cab
Well, you don't have to be familiar with the Saurer models. It is not that I want a certain type description. You noticed correctly that the cab is unusual. The reason for that will lead you to another involved company. This combination will be the answer.
Is this one still locked?
Well, I said locked for one guess. So it is open for all again.
This one might feature a completely integrated wood gas generator or another alternative power drive?
I´ve had the opportunity to have a look at a fabulous Saurer and Berna collection in Switzerland in 2009.
But there were only few 1930´s and 40´s cab over engine designs and not one looking alike your austrian puzzle truck.
The swiss Saurer COE cabs looked like this one:
Yes, there is a holzgas generator integrated in the cab.
Locked for you to find the supplier of the generator unit.
Is this one open again??
I'll open it up tomorrow.
Sorry for the delayed answer, but I was out during the whole weekend.
Well, I´ll try Imbert, of course.
If it was the wrong answer, please open it for all again.
Not Imbert, of course. ;)
Unlocked and open for all again.
Menck & Hambrock ?
I have the utmost sympathy for Grobmotorix as that was going to be my answer as well.
As additional input to the whole scenario, I did find that in 1938 Saurer of Austria did a trial with an Imbert Holzgas system trying to determine if this was a feasible substitute for petrol or oil fuel. At that time, it was decided it was not as there was no support system to provide the wood.
Later of course, this became a viable alternative and some countries such as Sweden made quite good use of the system.
While I am here, I could not find any "Saurer" of Austria cab over engine photos, I may not have looked long enough.
But, I did find some photos of OM-Saurer cab over engine trucks. Is this any sort of tip???????????
Bill
Quote from: Bill Murray on November 11, 2013, 04:18:07 PM
I have the utmost sympathy for Grobmotorix as that was going to be my answer as well.
As additional input to the whole scenario, I did find that in 1938 Saurer of Austria did a trial with an Imbert Holzgas system trying to determine if this was a feasible substitute for petrol or oil fuel. At that time, it was decided it was not as there was no support system to provide the wood.
Later of course, this became a viable alternative and some countries such as Sweden made quite good use of the system.
While I am here, I could not find any "Saurer" of Austria cab over engine photos, I may not have looked long enough.
But, I did find some photos of OM-Saurer cab over engine trucks. Is this any sort of tip???????????
Bill
The Österreichische Saurer trucks had a very distinctive cab, definitely different from our puzzle truck. Maybe it will appear in a future AutoPuzzle.
Quote from: pguillem on November 11, 2013, 02:55:17 PM
Menck & Hambrock ?
No, not too many
holzgas apparatus suppliers left.
Gloeckner-Deutz?
No
Wisco?
No
Gustloff?
No
Sudgas?
No
was it an Austrian company?
I'm not sure, but I think it was a German supplier.
May I ask if this vehicle is post WWII??
Bill
Yes and no. ;)
Yes, you may ask. No, it is not post WW2.
Carbojura?
No
Weda ?
Dietrich?
Twice no
Zeuch?
No
Wacker?
No, but keep on trying. I'm sure you'll eventually find it. ;)
Cabronia?
No
That's the strangest Saurer cab I ever saw. Is it swiss ?
No, it is not made by Swiss Saurer
It's different from the Österreichische Saurer cabs I know. Anyway, Österreichische Saurer ?
Yes, as already established it is a Österreichische Saurer with a woodgas unit. All I need for the point, is the maker of the Holzgas unit. His name was written on this particular truck.
Guessed without success so far were the following makers:
Cabronia
Carbojura
Dietrich
Gustloff
Imbert
Klöckner-Deutz
Menck & Hambrock
Südgas
Wacker
Weda
Wisco
Zeuch
Dresser?
No
K.A.G.A.?
No
Charcoal is black, the hole is black. Off it goes.
Kromag from Hirtenberger?
No
is there any trace of this company online?
Yes, it was one of the better known Holzgas companies.
Deutz?
No
Brandt?
No
Hansa?
No
Humboldt?
No
Austrian Holzgasgenerator company?
Hardrich (not sure of the spelling)?
Quote from: pnegyesi on July 22, 2014, 02:51:26 PM
Austrian Holzgasgenerator company?
I don't know where the company was located. I found a reference as it being German, but that could include Austria as well in those years.
Quote from: 4popoid on July 22, 2014, 03:05:40 PM
Hardrich (not sure of the spelling)?
No
C.G.B.?
No
Westwagen (not sure of the spelling)?
No
Dux?
No.
A list of all guesses so far:
Brandt
Cabronia
Carbojura
CGB
Deutz
Dietrich
Dresser
Dux
Gustloff
Hansa
Hardrich
Hirtenberger
Humboldt
Imbert
KAGA
Klöckner-Deutz
Kromag
Menck & Hambrock
Südgas
Wacker
Weda
Westwagen
Wisco
Zeuch
Svedlond?
No
Bethet?
No
Stedts?
No
We have established that this vehicle was not produced in the postwar period. Was this vehicle produced during the war, or was it produced in the prewar period?
I don't know. I'd guess that it was built in the late Thirties.
Koela?
No.
I'll give you a big clue. The holzgas generator company starts with a G.
The only "G" on my list is Gohin Poulenc.
Not that one
Guillaume?
No
Graham?
No
Gasna?
No
Gazoflex?
Quote from: 4popoid on July 24, 2014, 12:20:06 AM
We have established that this vehicle was not produced in the postwar period. Was this vehicle produced during the war, or was it produced in the prewar period?
I had a second look, it is prewar.
I don't think this is correct, but it is the last "G" name I have been able to find (so far). Galpe?
No
Genefag?
No
Gasobois?
No
A picture I found today:
the "today" bit was very helpful
Hirtenberger - Grunert Holzgaswagen
It was meant to be a hint. :)
It is an Österreichischer Saurer truck with Grunert Holzgas generator, built for Hirtenberger Patronenfabrik.
Two Black Hole points for you.