Base car shouldn't be too hard to find.
For one point, please respond and identify car and coachbuilder.
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1937-ish Ford Eifel stretched limousine?
The year is almost correct, it is not a Ford Eifel though.
Opel?
No, the previous guess was better.
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Hi Gerd:
It is 0344 in the morning here so I am not at my best, but.........
Based on the style of the cooling louvers in the motor hood and the free standing headlamps mounted on a 1937/8 style
front end, the car should be either a 1936 Matford V8 or a British Ford V8 from the same year.
Personally, I think it is a Matford.
I have been struggling to find a coach builder with no luck. The closest I have come so far is the German firm
Hubmüller but that would be a strange combination. The German Ford of the same year looks almost exactly
the same but it has different style cooling louvers.
Am I close??
Bill
Yes, it is a 1936 Matford, and you are right assuming that a German coachbuilder working on a Matford would be a strange combination. I don't give too much away by telling that it is a French coachbuilder who was responsible for this job.
Locked for you for one try at the coachbuilder.
Thank You, Gerd for the tip.
As you know, I dislike guessing but this is a stumper so far.
Based on all that I could find so far, I will go with Kellner as the supplier of the body.
This is based on the photos below that show 1935 and a 1936 Matfords both described as "Familiales"
and the bodywork is believed to be by Kellner in both cases.
Bill
No, we are talking about a less known coachbuilder than Kellner. But it was mentioned at AP before, at least! :)
Hi Gerd:
A lot of research but no results.
I will continue to look but in the meantime, please unlock it and give someone else a chance.
Bill
As you wish: unlocked and open for all.
Janer?
No
1936 Matford by Chausson?
Not Chausson
1936 Matford by Carrosserie Charles Duval?
No
Given your Reply #10, I'm assuming that this is a rather obscure coachbuilder. Still there is at least one rather well known coachbuilder that did a number of Matfords, so I have to ask. Is the coachbuilder Antem, or more obscure?
Not Antem, more obscure
Mignot & Billebault?
No
Louis Galle'?
OK, I really do not wish to take away from the efforts of Spence and Fabrizio but I have found it after working since about
0130 this morning.
The body maker is, well, almost who you want it to be.
Victor Tual
Tual-Tredion
Tual & Gourmelen
According to the French National Archives, the company traded under all three names and there is also a history book
on the company using the Gourmelen name.
Based on what I found on the internet, I would suggest this car was built when the company was called Tual-Tredion, Tredion being the location of the bodyworks.
I give full credit to Gerd here as his tip about the name being used on AP before gave me my final chance as I had exhausted all of my fairly extensive references to French auto coachmakers.
I went back from today in the solved section of AP, page by page and looked at any and all coachbuilders mentioned that did busses or trucks as I have a very poor data base of such builders. I finally found a possibility on one of Pal's quizzes from about a year ago and several searches using combinations of the names finally gave me the puzzle car.
Now, I wonder who built the 1936 Matford familiale that I posted earlier as these are the only two photos I could find.
I wonder if it is the same car perhaps after the war and repainted?
Edit: I guess I can answer my own question. My car had a boot, the puzzle car does not so it is a different car and still a mystery.
Bill
Carrosserie Tual is correct, one more point for you.