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Title: grob´s group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: grobmotorix on January 13, 2015, 02:14:14 PM
Who knows all those race cars?

Finally this one is solved!


Car A: solved by pnegyesi:   Alfred Fegers' AF special, driven by Paul Dübbers
Car B: solved by pnegyesi:   Hinz VW-Spezialintertyp
Car C: solved by Wendax:    Alpers Eigenbau special, driven by Karl Golka
Car D: solved by Wendax:    Baxmann Fiat 1100ccm

Title: Re: grob 2015.01.13 (03)
Post by: grobmotorix on January 31, 2015, 12:31:19 PM
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Title: Re: grob 2015.01.13 (03)
Post by: grobmotorix on February 13, 2015, 03:37:41 PM
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Title: Re: grob 2015.01.13 (03)
Post by: Wendax on February 13, 2015, 04:24:34 PM
Postwar German?
Title: Re: grob 2015.01.13 (03)
Post by: grobmotorix on February 13, 2015, 04:44:03 PM
Puzzle car "B":

Yes.

As it is a one-off special to my best knowledge it may be helpful to find out where and when it raced at first.

The event took place in a big German city and there still (or better again) there is a race with the same name.
Title: Re: grob 2015.01.13 (03)
Post by: Wendax on February 13, 2015, 04:57:47 PM
Solitude in Stuttgart?
Title: Re: grob 2015.01.13 (03)
Post by: grobmotorix on February 13, 2015, 05:11:18 PM
Not in the South... ;)
Title: Re: grob 2015.01.13 (03)
Post by: Wendax on February 13, 2015, 05:15:19 PM
Stadtparkrennen Hamburg?
Title: Re: grob 2015.01.13 (03)
Post by: grobmotorix on February 13, 2015, 06:50:43 PM
Yes - 1949...
Title: Re: grob 2015.01.13 (03)
Post by: pnegyesi on February 14, 2015, 12:49:13 AM
There were two racing cars categories at that race. I vote for the smaller and try:
Heinrich Schnelle, HFT special
Title: Re: grob 2015.01.13 (03)
Post by: Wendax on February 14, 2015, 01:41:39 AM
It is certainly from the bigger 1100 cc category:
Title: Re: grob 2015.01.13 (03)
Post by: grobmotorix on February 14, 2015, 02:27:15 AM
Oh, wow - another version of my scanned photo!

Yes - this is certainly the car.

But the puzzle car Puzzle car "B": cannot be the HFT, because it is not BMW-engined...

I have changed it into a group puzzle now, because I know almost every car on the group photo  ;)
Title: Re: grob 2015.01.13 (03)
Post by: grobmotorix on February 14, 2015, 02:38:42 AM
I hope that was O.K. for you all to extend the puzzle.
I wanted to place them all step by step, but now that we have the group photo published...
Title: Re: grob´s NEW extended group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: Wendax on February 14, 2015, 03:06:28 AM
Car D is the Fiat 1100 driven by Wilhelm Baxmann
Title: Re: grob´s NEW extended group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: Wendax on February 14, 2015, 03:09:21 AM
Is car C an Adler Trumpf Junior?
Title: Re: grob´s NEW extended group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: grobmotorix on February 14, 2015, 03:16:35 AM
One point for the Baxmann Fiat.

QuoteIs car C an Adler Trumpf Junior?

Could be, but I don´t know really.
I only know the driver´s name that also gave birth to that "Eigenbau" and where he was from.
Title: Re: grob´s NEW extended group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: pnegyesi on February 14, 2015, 03:44:30 AM
C: Paul Dübbers, AF?
A: Vollmer?
Title: Re: grob´s NEW extended group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: grobmotorix on February 14, 2015, 04:17:21 AM
LOCKED for you!

One of those is an AF, driven by Paul Dübbers, but it is not car C...

And Vollmer is not driving one of those cars.

Two more tries for you!
Title: Re: LOCKED for Pal / grob´s NEW group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: pnegyesi on February 14, 2015, 04:46:22 AM
Paul Dübbers who is driving Alfred Fegers' Volkswagen-powered AF special is probably A

Is B Fiat-powered?
Title: Re: LOCKED for Pal / grob´s NEW group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: grobmotorix on February 14, 2015, 05:05:13 AM
QuotePaul Dübbers who is driving Alfred Fegers' Volkswagen-powered AF special is probably A

One point for you!

QuoteIs B Fiat-powered?

No.

UNLOCKED - this is open for all again.
Title: Re: grob´s NEW group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: pnegyesi on February 14, 2015, 05:32:02 AM
Is B a certain Mr Warnken in a VW Eigenbau?
Title: Re: grob´s NEW group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: grobmotorix on February 14, 2015, 05:41:11 AM
"B" is indeed a VW Eigenbau, but I have a different name.
Title: Re: grob´s NEW group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: grobmotorix on February 14, 2015, 05:43:39 AM
Oh, I did not see this one:

QuoteIs car C an Adler Trumpf Junior?

I only have a name of the driver/builder of this unique "Eigenbau" and where he came from.

However I do not know any technical deatils despite the engine capacity of 1100ccm.
Title: Re: grob´s NEW group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: pnegyesi on February 14, 2015, 05:48:52 AM
Was B driven by Rudolf Trenkel?
Title: Re: grob´s NEW group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: pnegyesi on February 14, 2015, 05:51:36 AM
As for C - Stademann from Harzburg?
Title: Re: grob´s NEW group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: grobmotorix on February 14, 2015, 06:05:23 AM
No and no.
Title: Re: grob´s NEW group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: pnegyesi on February 14, 2015, 06:12:18 AM
B: Scholz in his VW Eigenbau?
Title: Re: grob´s NEW group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: grobmotorix on February 14, 2015, 06:25:56 AM
Not Scholz.
Title: Re: grob´s NEW group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: nicanary on February 15, 2015, 04:51:21 AM
B - Dr. Scholz' VW Eigenbau?
Title: Re: grob´s NEW group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: grobmotorix on February 15, 2015, 11:52:45 AM
I have a different name for "B".
Title: Re: grob´s NEW group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: mekubb on February 15, 2015, 03:12:15 PM
B : Müller in VW Eigenbau ?
Title: Re: grob´s NEW group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: mekubb on February 15, 2015, 03:14:16 PM
C : Krohn in Fiat-Eigenbau ?
Title: Re: grob´s NEW group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: grobmotorix on February 15, 2015, 03:20:14 PM
QuoteB : Müller in VW Eigenbau ?

Not Müller.

QuoteC : Krohn in Fiat-Eigenbau ?

Not Krohn.

If it is a Fiat chassis? I don´t know. :-\
Title: Re: grob´s NEW group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: mekubb on February 15, 2015, 03:33:26 PM
Or is Müller in car C ?  ;)
Title: Re: grob´s NEW group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: grobmotorix on February 15, 2015, 03:36:53 PM
QuoteOr is Müller in car C ?

No.
Title: Re: grob´s NEW group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: nicanary on February 15, 2015, 03:57:24 PM
This is all a bit confusing. I think most of us are using an entry list on a "certain site" but clearly that list is not a complete one. We've already had one name that wasn't in the entry, and there could well be another. Every name on that certain site has now been offered, and we still don't have the correct answers!
Title: Re: grob´s NEW group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: Wendax on February 15, 2015, 03:58:47 PM
The list is incomplete. I have pictures of several other cars competing in the race, unfortunately without names.
Title: Re: grob´s NEW group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: grobmotorix on February 15, 2015, 04:17:37 PM
QuoteThe list is incomplete. I have pictures of several other cars competing in the race, unfortunately without names.

I know.

Sorry guys - I did not tell that this will be an easy puzzle...
Title: Re: grob´s NEW group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: grobmotorix on February 28, 2015, 05:36:00 PM
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Title: Re: grob´s NEW group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: Wendax on September 30, 2015, 01:29:50 PM
Another picture of the AF (Car A):
Title: Re: grob´s NEW group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: Wendax on December 24, 2015, 04:29:28 PM
Another picture of puzzle car C together with the Baxmann Fiat, unfortunately no name came with it:
Title: Re: grob´s NEW group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: grobmotorix on December 25, 2015, 03:20:31 AM
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: grob´s NEW group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: Wendax on December 25, 2015, 05:08:01 AM
Shot in the dark: Is car C the Graetz Spezial?
Title: Re: grob´s NEW group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: grobmotorix on December 25, 2015, 08:26:10 AM
I need to check this as soon as I will be back home again...
Title: Re: grob´s NEW group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: Wendax on December 25, 2015, 08:26:58 AM
No need to hurry, enjoy Christmas time ...  :)
Title: Re: grob´s NEW group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: grobmotorix on December 28, 2015, 05:00:01 PM
I have a different name. It was an "Eigenbau" (=self built car) by a different guy.

To help:

he was from Peine...
Title: Re: grob´s NEW group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: Wendax on December 28, 2015, 05:17:39 PM
Willi Krakau?
Title: Re: grob´s NEW group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: grobmotorix on December 29, 2015, 04:26:50 AM
Not him...
Title: Re: grob´s NEW group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: pnegyesi on December 29, 2015, 05:14:31 AM
another try for B: Horst Richter in his VW eigenbau
Title: Re: grob´s NEW group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: grobmotorix on December 29, 2015, 05:29:08 AM
B is a Volkswagen Spezial Intertyp, but this is not Horst Richter... :-\
Title: Re: grob´s NEW group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: Wendax on December 29, 2015, 07:35:09 AM
Quote from: grobmotorix on December 28, 2015, 05:00:01 PM
I have a different name. It was an "Eigenbau" (=self built car) by a different guy.

To help:

he was from Peine...
Karl Golka drove an Alpers-Eigenbau, both names are connected to Peine. So, is Alpers the name you are looking for?
Title: Re: grob´s NEW group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949
Post by: grobmotorix on December 29, 2015, 09:35:27 AM
Bam!

That is the one I was looking for!
2 points = 1700!!

:applause:
Title: Re: grob´s group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949 / 1 still unsolved
Post by: Wendax on December 29, 2015, 10:00:13 AM
 :)
And I am happy to be able to connect another name to an unknown car.
Title: Re: grob´s group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949 / 1 still unsolved
Post by: pnegyesi on March 02, 2016, 04:32:20 AM
Ein hinressendes Kampfibild aus dem Rennen der 1100 ccm Sportwagenklasse in Hamburg, das neue interessante Eigenbauten zeigt. Vorne Dübber-Düsseldorf auf AF vor Hinz-Braunschweig auf einem neuen VW-Spezialintertyp. Als letzte der vorderen vier: Alpers-Peine auf einem Eigenbau und Baxmann-Hamburg auf Fiat.
(Das Auto, 1949/September)
Title: Re: grob´s group puzzle: 4 cars at Stadtparkrennen Hamburg 1949 / 1 still unsolved
Post by: grobmotorix on March 02, 2016, 11:14:32 AM
You finally found it!

Very good. The last car is indeed driver Hinz with his VW-Spezialintertyp at the 1949 Hamburg Stadtparkrennen.
Two very well earned points for you!
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