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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2016 => Topic started by: João on October 14, 2011, 03:27:31 PM

Title: JPG #185 Solved : 1924 Ravel 12hp Berline by Marius Mamy
Post by: João on October 14, 2011, 03:27:31 PM
For one point, please identify this car, the coachbuilder and the year.

Sorry about the quality of the picture.
Title: Re: JPG #185
Post by: João on October 21, 2011, 07:41:30 AM
Experts?
Title: Re: JPG #185
Post by: SACO on October 21, 2011, 11:40:35 AM
Sizaire frères ?
Title: Re: JPG #185
Post by: João on October 21, 2011, 11:42:36 AM
No, more obscure  :)
Title: Re: JPG #185
Post by: João on October 26, 2011, 04:10:33 PM
Up!
Title: Re: JPG #185
Post by: woodinsight on October 27, 2011, 01:15:49 AM
French chassis and coachwork?
Title: Re: JPG #185
Post by: João on October 27, 2011, 12:43:17 PM
Quote from: woodinsight on October 27, 2011, 01:15:49 AM
French chassis and coachwork?

Yes!
Title: Re: JPG #185
Post by: woodinsight on October 27, 2011, 02:53:38 PM
Is the coachwork by Weymann or by a Weymann-licensed French coachbuilder?
Title: Re: JPG #185
Post by: João on October 27, 2011, 02:56:31 PM
It's Weymann licensed.
Title: Re: JPG #185
Post by: woodinsight on October 28, 2011, 01:12:56 PM
Probably not obscure enough but could it be a Bignan?
Title: Re: JPG #185
Post by: João on October 28, 2011, 01:20:50 PM
Not a Bignan. Wrong side of the alphabet.
Title: Re: JPG #185
Post by: woodinsight on October 28, 2011, 01:58:20 PM
Ravel?
Title: Re: JPG #185
Post by: Wendax on October 28, 2011, 04:14:47 PM
Silva-Coronel?
Title: Re: JPG #185
Post by: João on October 28, 2011, 11:21:55 PM
Quote from: woodinsight on October 28, 2011, 01:58:20 PM
Ravel?

Correct!!

Locked for you!
Title: Re: JPG #185
Post by: woodinsight on October 29, 2011, 12:01:07 AM
I think this may have been the 1460cc 9/11cv or 13cv model built 1926/1927.
I have three possibilities for the coachbuilder - Montjardet?
Title: Re: JPG #185
Post by: João on October 29, 2011, 09:58:29 AM
Well, my source says it is a 12 hp model from 1924.

And not by Montjardet.
Title: Re: JPG #185
Post by: woodinsight on October 29, 2011, 10:29:12 AM
I guess your source is correct on the model/year.
Is the coachbuilder Carrosserie Mamy of Besancon?
Title: Re: JPG #185
Post by: João on October 29, 2011, 10:38:05 AM
Yes it's!

Congratulations!  :applause:
Title: Solved: PN #843 -- Ravel bodied by Monjardet (or by Mami)
Post by: pnegyesi on December 20, 2015, 11:22:25 AM
Please identify car and coachbuilder for a point
Title: Re: PN #843
Post by: pnegyesi on January 03, 2016, 09:35:14 AM
Experts?
Title: Re: PN #843
Post by: pnegyesi on January 10, 2016, 05:14:27 AM
Professionals?
Title: Re: PN #843
Post by: Wendax on January 10, 2016, 07:33:20 AM
Sizaire Frères?
Title: Re: PN #843
Post by: grobmotorix on January 10, 2016, 08:08:39 AM
This looks like a Weymann body or a bodywork built following Weymann patents.
Title: Re: PN #843
Post by: pnegyesi on January 10, 2016, 09:48:45 AM
not a Sizaire, Weymann-system is a possibility though it is not mentioned in the source
Title: Re: PN #843
Post by: ropat53 on January 10, 2016, 09:52:17 AM
French?
Title: Re: PN #843
Post by: pnegyesi on January 10, 2016, 10:02:06 AM
yes, both chassis and coachbuilder
Title: Re: PN #843
Post by: Wendax on January 10, 2016, 01:58:28 PM
Gendron & Michelot (GM)?
Title: Re: PN #843
Post by: pnegyesi on January 10, 2016, 02:10:30 PM
no
Title: Re: PN #843
Post by: Wendax on January 10, 2016, 02:16:59 PM
Secqueville-Hoyau?
Title: Re: PN #843
Post by: pnegyesi on January 10, 2016, 02:20:05 PM
no
Title: Re: PN #843
Post by: ropat53 on January 10, 2016, 02:36:35 PM
Ravel?
Title: Re: PN #843
Post by: pnegyesi on January 10, 2016, 03:37:30 PM
now we are getting somewhere. It's a Ravel chassis. Locked for you to find the coachbuilder and the year
Title: Re: PN #843
Post by: ropat53 on January 10, 2016, 04:56:36 PM
1924 Ravel by Marius Mamy from Besançon.
Title: Re: PN #843
Post by: pnegyesi on January 10, 2016, 11:53:45 PM
That's very interesting. Carrosserie Mamy on its website claims they bodied the car in 1922.

However my picture comes from a 1926 French magazine claiming another coachbuilder from Besancon.  Now this other coachbuilder is more renowned. Should I declare this solved and feature both coachbuilders in the title?
Title: Re: PN #843
Post by: Paul Jaray on January 11, 2016, 03:59:05 AM
They both bodied several Ravel, according to Beaulieu...(if the 2nd coachbuilder is from Doubs too ;) )
Mamy coachbuilt the sedans and 'the other' built the tourers.
Title: Re: PN #843
Post by: ropat53 on January 11, 2016, 08:39:15 AM
I found the answer at the well known coach builders site.
One of the only two Ravels know to exist is a 1925 Ravel sedan belonging to the Schlumpf Collection, bodied by Monjardet: 26, Rue Bersot, Besançon, Doubs.
The tourer posted by Paul Jaray was bodied by Langutt in 1923.
Title: Re: PN #843
Post by: pnegyesi on January 11, 2016, 08:41:14 AM
Monjardet was mentioned as the coachbuilder of the puzzle car! So what should I do now?
Title: Re: PN #843
Post by: nicanary on January 12, 2016, 10:53:21 AM
Quote from: pnegyesi on January 11, 2016, 08:41:14 AM
Monjardet was mentioned as the coachbuilder of the puzzle car! So what should I do now?

I thought one of the editors would have given you some advice by now!

I'd say it was 99.9% certain that's a body built on the Weymann principle - maybe there are records to show whether Monjardet followed that path.
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