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Title: Solved NIC#510 - Legros Speciale in 1949 GP des Frontieres
Post by: nicanary on December 25, 2015, 09:14:09 AM
What's this car, and what are the chassis/engine makers?
Title: Re: NIC#510
Post by: nicanary on January 23, 2016, 04:46:08 AM
Experts?
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Post by: nicanary on February 22, 2016, 05:22:05 AM
Pros with LESS THAN 400 POINTS.
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Post by: Iluvatar on February 22, 2016, 03:47:19 PM
Something related to Cisitalia?
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Post by: nicanary on February 22, 2016, 04:09:29 PM
Quote from: Iluvatar on February 22, 2016, 03:47:19 PM
Something related to Cisitalia?

Nothing to do with Cisitalia.
Title: Re: NIC#510
Post by: D-type on February 22, 2016, 04:27:50 PM
BMW powered
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Post by: ropat53 on February 22, 2016, 05:15:21 PM
Italian?
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Post by: nicanary on February 22, 2016, 05:49:13 PM
Quote from: D-type on February 22, 2016, 04:27:50 PM
BMW powered

Not Italian, but there is a BMW engine under the bonnet. What is the chassis ?
Title: Re: NIC#510
Post by: ropat53 on February 22, 2016, 07:24:01 PM
Veritas?
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Post by: nicanary on February 23, 2016, 03:20:20 AM
Quote from: ropat53 on February 22, 2016, 07:24:01 PM
Veritas?

Not Veritas or even BMW-related.
Title: Re: NIC#510
Post by: ropat53 on February 23, 2016, 06:59:44 AM
German chassis?
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Post by: nicanary on February 23, 2016, 07:01:02 AM
Quote from: ropat53 on February 23, 2016, 06:59:44 AM
German chassis?

No.
Title: Re: NIC#510
Post by: ropat53 on February 23, 2016, 07:37:54 AM
French chassis, Gordini with BMW engine?
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Post by: nicanary on February 23, 2016, 07:45:42 AM
Quote from: ropat53 on February 23, 2016, 07:37:54 AM
French chassis, Gordini with BMW engine?

It is a French chassis, but not Gordini.
Title: Re: NIC#510
Post by: ropat53 on February 23, 2016, 08:37:49 AM
I hope it's not a highly modified Bugatti?
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Post by: nicanary on February 23, 2016, 11:16:55 AM
Quote from: ropat53 on February 23, 2016, 08:37:49 AM
I hope it's not a highly modified Bugatti?

Your hopes are dashed! Yes it is - that wide cockpit area indicates that this was once designed to carry a racing mechanic. It's a modified Bugatti 35B that was raced pre-WW2 and modernised after the war.

My original puzzle asked for the chassis/engine combination, but to get the point - who owned this car? LOCKED for you.

(I see my puzzle was "what is this car" but the car was named after the owner/driver).
Title: Re: NIC#510
Post by: ropat53 on February 23, 2016, 02:22:06 PM
So it's a Bugatti after all, the radius arm was the give away.
Still can't find anything about it, did it race in Germany?
Title: Re: NIC#510
Post by: nicanary on February 23, 2016, 02:52:44 PM
Quote from: ropat53 on February 23, 2016, 02:22:06 PM
So it's a Bugatti after all, the radius arm was the give away.
Still can't find anything about it, did it race in Germany?

Not Germany.
Title: Re: NIC#510
Post by: nicanary on February 24, 2016, 08:22:43 AM
Still LOCKED for ropat53 until 14.00 hours UK time tomorrow.
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Post by: ropat53 on February 24, 2016, 12:43:28 PM
Is this the car that Dutchman Bob Laming modified the bodywork and grafted a BMW 6-cylinder into?
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Post by: nicanary on February 24, 2016, 01:13:29 PM
Quote from: ropat53 on February 24, 2016, 12:43:28 PM
Is this the car that Dutchman Bob Laming modified the bodywork and grafted a BMW 6-cylinder into?

There is no Dutch connection to my knowledge. I know the name of the driver, and he named the car after himself - I believe he built the car.
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Post by: nicanary on February 25, 2016, 01:09:45 PM
UNLOCKED.
Title: Re: NIC#510
Post by: nicanary on March 08, 2016, 07:26:28 AM
OPEN to all Pros.
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Post by: oko94 on March 08, 2016, 01:06:27 PM
Was the driver British ?
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Post by: nicanary on March 08, 2016, 02:09:59 PM
Quote from: oko94 on March 08, 2016, 01:06:27 PM
Was the driver British ?

No.
Title: Re: NIC#510
Post by: oko94 on March 10, 2016, 03:58:32 PM
Was the driver European ?
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Post by: nicanary on March 10, 2016, 05:05:02 PM
Quote from: oko94 on March 10, 2016, 03:58:32 PM
Was the driver European ?

Yes.
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Post by: oko94 on March 11, 2016, 12:43:35 AM
Was the driver French ?
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Post by: nicanary on March 11, 2016, 04:12:29 AM
Quote from: oko94 on March 11, 2016, 12:43:35 AM
Was the driver French ?

No.
Title: Re: NIC#510
Post by: oko94 on March 11, 2016, 04:17:31 AM
Was the driver German ?
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Post by: nicanary on March 11, 2016, 04:33:16 AM
Quote from: oko94 on March 11, 2016, 04:17:31 AM
Was the driver German ?

No.
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Post by: oko94 on March 11, 2016, 04:34:27 AM
Was the driver from Benelux ?
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Post by: nicanary on March 11, 2016, 04:46:17 AM
Quote from: oko94 on March 11, 2016, 04:34:27 AM
Was the driver from Benelux ?

Yes. The driver was born in another part of Europe, but lived in a Benelux country and I believe adopted citizenship in that country.
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Post by: oko94 on March 11, 2016, 05:12:14 AM
Belgium ?
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Post by: nicanary on March 11, 2016, 05:31:53 AM
Quote from: oko94 on March 11, 2016, 05:12:14 AM
Belgium ?

Yes.
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Post by: oko94 on March 11, 2016, 10:40:38 AM
Quote from: nicanary on March 11, 2016, 04:46:17 AM
The driver was born in another part of Europe

Was he born in a Mediterranean country ?
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Post by: nicanary on March 11, 2016, 12:06:22 PM
Quote from: oko94 on March 11, 2016, 10:40:38 AM
Quote from: nicanary on March 11, 2016, 04:46:17 AM
The driver was born in another part of Europe

Was he born in a Mediterranean country ?

Yes!
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Post by: oko94 on March 11, 2016, 12:11:26 PM
Italy ?
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Post by: nicanary on March 11, 2016, 01:06:07 PM
Quote from: oko94 on March 11, 2016, 12:11:26 PM
Italy ?

Yes!
Title: Re: NIC#510
Post by: Paul Jaray on March 12, 2016, 05:49:13 AM
Tullio Pacini?
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Post by: nicanary on March 12, 2016, 06:13:53 AM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on March 12, 2016, 05:49:13 AM
Tullio Pacini?

Not him.
Title: Re: NIC#510
Post by: Paul Jaray on March 12, 2016, 06:40:11 AM
Arturo Giordano?
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Post by: nicanary on March 12, 2016, 07:09:06 AM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on March 12, 2016, 06:40:11 AM
Arturo Giordano?

Nor him. I can't decide whether I am misleading you or not - I know his Italian name, but that isn't the name he put on his race entry forms.

Maybe I'll regret giving you this hint........
Title: Re: NIC#510
Post by: oko94 on March 14, 2016, 03:34:33 AM
Has this driver ever competed in F1 ?
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Post by: nicanary on March 14, 2016, 05:08:42 AM
Quote from: oko94 on March 14, 2016, 03:34:33 AM
Has this driver ever competed in F1 ?

I'm fairly confident he never competed in F1 racing - this photo was taken at a "Grand Prix" but it wasn't to F1 regulations.

(I doubt if younger members will understand that!)
Title: Re: NIC#510
Post by: oko94 on March 14, 2016, 05:29:48 AM
Was this driver born between 1910 and 1920 ?
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Post by: nicanary on March 14, 2016, 05:56:43 AM
Quote from: oko94 on March 14, 2016, 05:29:48 AM
Was this driver born between 1910 and 1920 ?

I'm sorry, I don't know his date of birth.  However, I think it would probably be in between those dates.
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Post by: oko94 on March 14, 2016, 07:41:26 AM
Has this driver died between 1950 and 1960 ?
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Post by: nicanary on March 14, 2016, 07:56:28 AM
Quote from: oko94 on March 14, 2016, 07:41:26 AM
Has this driver died between 1950 and 1960 ?

Sorry, I don't know. Even a well-known website which contains driver details does not have this information.
Title: Re: NIC#510
Post by: oko94 on March 14, 2016, 10:16:49 AM
Was the photo taken at a Grand Prix in Belgium ?
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Post by: nicanary on March 14, 2016, 10:18:06 AM
Quote from: oko94 on March 14, 2016, 10:16:49 AM
Was the photo taken at a Grand Prix in Belgium ?

YES!
Title: Re: NIC#510
Post by: oko94 on March 14, 2016, 10:21:49 AM
Was the photo taken between 1945 and 1950 ?
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Post by: nicanary on March 14, 2016, 01:05:22 PM
Quote from: oko94 on March 14, 2016, 10:21:49 AM
Was the photo taken between 1945 and 1950 ?

YES!
Title: Re: NIC#510
Post by: oko94 on March 14, 2016, 01:35:25 PM
1949 ?
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Post by: nicanary on March 14, 2016, 01:38:03 PM
Quote from: oko94 on March 14, 2016, 01:35:25 PM
1949 ?

I think you've solved it - YES.
Title: Re: NIC#510
Post by: oko94 on March 14, 2016, 01:43:10 PM
Jef Legros, Grand Prix des Frontières, Chimay 1949

Tough one !
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Post by: nicanary on March 14, 2016, 02:37:31 PM
Quote from: oko94 on March 14, 2016, 01:43:10 PM
Jef Legros, Grand Prix des Frontières, Chimay 1949

Tough one !

Makes a change for me! You earned that point the hard way - it helps if you know where to look or have reference books  ;D.

It's his Legros Speciale. He raced a Bugatti 35B in the same race in 1939, and after WW2 he owned a BMW328, and decided to combine the 2 items into a more modern car. I only have a record of his entry in this race, although he may have entered it in lesser races of which there is no record on the internet. His real name was Giuseppe Mucciero - I'm afraid i have no idea whether he changed his name, or whether it was just his racing alias.