What is this car?
Allard?
Experts?
Bristol?
Lea Francis ?
Riley?
is there a morgan connection?
Looks as if it should be a post-war AC but there are many differences from both AC's own drophead and the Buckland tourer.
From UK ?
Quote from: mekubb on December 26, 2016, 04:17:14 AM
From UK ?
It's not a Morgan, there's no AC connection but it is from the UK.
Frazer Nash?
Is it a one-off based on a common-ish car?
Quote from: galrot on December 26, 2016, 07:36:40 AM
Is it a one-off based on a common-ish car?
The base is a very low-volume manufacturer of the period. The body is probably a one-off.
Does the front have a resemblance to other cars that were built on the same base?
Quote from: galrot on December 26, 2016, 07:42:22 AM
Does the front have a resemblance to other cars that were built on the same base?
That's a good question. No - it doesn't. Most cars named aftre this maker had individual bodies, there were never many which looked the same.
Is the maker of the base car known for sporty cars?
BSA ?
Quote from: galrot on December 26, 2016, 10:44:11 AM
Is the maker of the base car known for sporty cars?
Yes.
Is it by a recognised coachbuilder, and if so will it help to identify which? It has a little of Westland about it to my eye.
HRG?
Quote from: Allan L on December 26, 2016, 11:30:10 AM
Is it by a recognised coachbuilder, and if so will it help to identify which? It has a little of Westland about it to my eye.
I don't know who bodied the car, only the name of the base car.
Was the make active both before and after ww2?
Quote from: galrot on December 26, 2016, 12:15:01 PM
Was the make active both before and after ww2?
The company existed only for a short time pre-WW2, but the name was adopted in the 1950s for another different car and again in recent years for a recreation of the original car.
That timeline almost fits Atalanta, if Dick Shattock's RGS-Atalanta which did start with an Atalanta chassis is the 1950s job.
Quote from: Allan L on December 26, 2016, 06:08:49 PM
That timeline almost fits Atalanta, if Dick Shattock's RGS-Atalanta which did start with an Atalanta chassis is the 1950s job.
Yes indeed. I realised I'd probably provided too much information! It is an old advert from the 1950s for what was described as a 1951 Atalanta 30hp. The body could well be by Abbott but I can't say for sure, and it doesn't look like any of the styles offered by Atalanta at the time that I have ever seen. The "30hp" part isn't particularly helpful - I presume that it refers to the RAC rating which was used for taxation purposes, rather than the actual output of the engine. Maybe it's a Gough, maybe not.
Well solved Allan L.
PS I'm not convinced by the "1951" either. It could be a pre-war car rebodied and re-registered in 1951, or a Shattock chassis privately bodied. Anyone have an Atalanta chassis register?
Well we still used RAC h.p. in the 1950s when referring to engine size although vehicle taxation no longer depended on it. e.g. Lea-Francis 14 and 18 h.p. saloons, Alvis TA14 and TC21, Morris 10 etc.
The Gough engine was a 1½ litre and (I think) 69mm × 100mm so 11.9 RAC hp but 78 b.h.p. The 4.3 litre V12 Lincoln Zephyr engine used by Atalanta (and Brough Superior and Allard) would have been more than 30 RAC h.p. I think, but I can't find its dimensions.
Quote from: Allan L on December 27, 2016, 05:20:00 AM
Well we still used RAC h.p. in the 1950s when referring to engine size although vehicle taxation no longer depended on it. e.g. Lea-Francis 14 and 18 h.p. saloons, Alvis TA14 and TC21, Morris 10 etc.
The Gough engine was a 1½ litre and (I think) 69mm × 100mm so 11.9 RAC hp but 78 b.h.p. The 4.3 litre V12 Lincoln Zephyr engine used by Atalanta (and Brough Superior and Allard) would have been more than 30 RAC h.p. I think, but I can't find its dimensions.
Thanks for the info. For some reason I have it in my head that the Ford flathead (3.6 litre) was rated at 30hp and did wonder whether that was the motive power for this car. That's the problem with posting puzzles you don't know much about - it's so difficult to find new ones that I go a bit overboard with enthusiasm when I come across something that might baffle people!