Do you know it?
All of you can play.
I need to know:
- Builder's name Fernando Caiani
- Model's name Graziella
- Engine Lambretta 125
- Coachbuilder Morelli
- Approx year 1954
- When and where exactly was it supposed to be shown Salone di Torino 1954, Maserati's Stand
- 4 very known makers connected with the builder Alfa Romeo, Ermini, Maserati, Stanguellini
I'll award one
or more points at the end.
Some detective work is needed but it's not impossible.
Fiat-based ?
Not Fiat bits there.
Italian base though ?
It is not based on any existing vehicle.
Made in Italy though ? ;)
Yes!
Vespa?
Not a Vespa or related.
Obscure coachbuilder ?
The body was built by a known coachbuilder.
Vignale ?
Not Vignale.
Allemano?
Viotti ?
Allemano
Vignale
Viotti
Does it have 4 wheels?
Yes.
Front engine?
uhmm...it's not reported in my source, I can only guess, here.
Related to Abarth?
Coachbuilt by Monviso ?
Not Abarth related and not bodied by Monviso.
Bespoke engine or based on an existing one ?
Engine came from another vehicle.
Ok, Allemano can play if he likes to. I know he would not take advantage with what he knows.
Quote from: Paul Jaray on February 16, 2016, 03:20:30 PM
Ok, Allemano can play if he likes to. I know he would not take advantage with what he knows.
Quite so!
I did see an answer from you that said "No it's not" but it only appeared briefly and promptly disappeared!
Was that an answer to my question about whether the car was bodied by Allemano?
I'm pretty sure I saw it on a different source..
Boano?
Not Boano.
Italian engine ?
Yes!
Motorcycle engine ?
Yes! (more or less...)
Scooter engine ?
Yes!
Anything to do with Iso?
Not that...
Lambretta engine ?
Yes, a Lambretta 125... and the first answer is placed.
Is it called Dante?
Is it by Zagato?
Not Dante.
Not by Zagato but that's a good guess.
Was Ercole Spada involved ?
Not Spada.
Marcello Gandini?
Not Gandini.
Let's say in those years Zagato and this coachbuilder used to dress the same kind of cars...
Motto ?
Monterosa bodywork?
Motto is another good guess but it's not correct.
Not Monterosa.
Colli ?
Boneschi?
Zagato Colli & Motto are all equally good guesses but wrong.
Not Boneschi.
Fantuzzi ?
Not Fantuzzi, that proves you got my hint.
Savio?
Not Savio.
Like Zagato, Colli, Motto & Fantuzzi he bodied mostly sports cars.
Scaglietti ?
Not Scaglietti...I think it will be the next one, now!
Morelli ?
Bingo!
Was it built by Giotto Bizzarrini, who worked for Alfa Romeo, Ferrari, Lamborghini and Iso ?
Not him, but one of the makers you named is indeed connected.
Did he work for Alfa Romeo ?
Not for Alfa or any other maker directly.
Did he work at a coachbuilder ?
A big clue: he did "components" for other makers.
Conrero ?
Not Conrero
Abarth ?
Marelli?
Not Abarth or Marelli.
He worked for several manufacturers and in the detail of their cars you can find this name. It is not totally obscure, but not a known one.
Other names providing the same part are much more known...
Was he providing some engine parts ?
not engine parts.
Chassis parts ?
Tic-tac...tic-tac... :)
Unlocked!
Gilco?
Not Gilco.
Taraschi?
Not Taraschi.
Approx year : 1953 ?
Almost...
1954 ?
Yes.
Was it supposed to be shown at the 1954 Torino Motor Show ?
Yes...where, precisely?
Palazzina delle Belle Arti, Castello del Valentino ?
Nope...I mean, in which stand.
Not his own and a known one....we have also some pictures of it in that topic...
It was in Pier Luigi Nervi's Palazzo delle Esposizoni anyway :doh:
Was it supposed to be exhibited on a parts supplier stand ?
Nope, in a manufacturer's one.
A quite known and still active manufacturer.
I don't think it was there actualy, but those were the plans.
Nardi ?
There are still many unanswered questions: who build it, where was it planned to be shown, which manufacturers was he associated with.
Nardi is not one of these answer.
Was it planned to be shown on the stand of an Italian manufacturer ?
Yes, Italian manufacturer still active.
Quote from: oko94 on February 18, 2016, 02:34:52 AM
Was it built by Giotto Bizzarrini, who worked for Alfa Romeo, Ferrari, Lamborghini and Iso ?
Quote from: Paul Jaray on February 18, 2016, 03:32:13 AM
Not him, but one of the makers you named is indeed connected.
Lamborghini (Trattori, being in 1954)??
Not Lamborghini.
Ermini ?
Moretti?
Not Moretti.
Ermini is one of the names he was connected to.
This one can be solved just guessing. There are no obscure names but one (that is not totally obscure after all).
It's a Lambretta-powered Morelli-bodied car that was planned to be shown at the '54 Turin Motor Show.
We are looking at a car made by a chassis supplier for some big names. It was connected with several know makers (like Ermini, but also bigger and still active ones), and 2 of these will lead to some web pages where it's written that the chassis was made by him. Another big name was the one that was going to host this little car in his stand (but it didn't, I think).
For the point I still need:
builder's name,
model's name
3 of these big names involved (1 of them, beside Ermini, was already guessed but went unnoticed...)
Is Ferrari one of the big names connected to the chassis supplier ?
Yes, Ferrari, Ermini and at least 2 more.
Maserati ?
Quote from: oko94 on April 05, 2016, 03:46:00 PM
Maserati ?
Yes, Maserati...and the car was planned to be displayed in their stand!
Now, for the point:
Who built it?
Model's name?
I'll add the 4th name: Stanguellini, and if I'm not wrong OSCA too.
I'll lock it for you for 24 hrs.
Remember the name I'm after is a chassis builder's and it can be found also in the official webpage of one of those names (and this is a BIG clue).
Is the builder Caiani ?
Yes! :thumbsup:
Fernando Caiani (sometimes spelt Cajani) was the builder.
Locked for you to find the model name.
It was named after his daughter...(more clues later ;) )
Wild guess : Monica ?
Not Monica.
Crucial clue:
If you look for that name, there's a good chance you'll see hundreds of bicycles.
There is not another maker/model with that name that I know of.
(this is you last clue...if you find the right name and you'll look for it, you'll knew you are right ;) )
Atala ?
Not Atala. You can actually find persons with that name...
Is it the name of an Italian bicycle manufacturer ?
Quote from: oko94 on April 07, 2016, 09:13:32 AM
Is it the name of an Italian bicycle manufacturer ?
Yes, very popular and not obscure at all.
So far the only Italian bicycle manufacturers with a suitable name for a daughter that I've found are Gloria and Olympia but cars with these names exist... I keep on searching.
Is this bicycle manufacturer still active ?
Still active.
Mara ?
Not Mara.
Unlocked ;)
Graziella?
Facile per te, vero ;) ?
Correct! Graziella is the name of Fernando's daughter. This is the only pic I have of it and hopefully more will arrive in the future.
2 points for oko94 and one for Hiawatha!
Grazie,
OKO did all the hard work, I was there just for the ride..
Thanks for those two points.
I browsed the main Italian online bicycle shops and there was no trace of Graziella bikes there, so I guess you had to be Italian to know about them !