What's this car, for 1 point ? :)
Experts !
Pros !
Italian etceterini?
Not Italian etceterini !
Made in Europe ?
Yes !
Was this photo taken at Angouleme?
Not at Angouleme !
French car?
Not a French car !
It seems to be LHD, so I'm excluding the UK.
MBM ?
Not MBM !
It's a LHD ,but...
MG based?
Not MG based !
Quote from: SACO on April 21, 2016, 01:16:14 PM
Not MBM !
It's a LHD ,but...
Is this car based on a British marque which was an export model, and has been rebodied?
A car based on a British marque and made in england !
The steering wheel looks very uncomfortable to hold - is this a Morgan?
Quote from: nicanary on April 22, 2016, 04:35:56 AM
The steering wheel looks very uncomfortable to hold - is this a Morgan?
I like the connection!
Not a Morgan !
Triumph TR3?
MG base?
Yes ! a Triumph ! but not a TR3
Locked for nicanary ! :)
You have said that the car is European, but I wonder if that is just the base. Is that body a Devin?
No , the car is a Triumph and I don't know the body-maker !
Triumph TR2 ?
Not TR2 !
TR4?
Not TR4 !
There's not much left! Maybe they were trying to create a 1950s racer from a Spitfire?
Not a Spitfire ! it's a triumph creates for the race !
Do you mean it's a TRS?
Yes ! a prototype Triumph TR SS 1955 !
1 point for you ! :)
Thank you for the point. I think I received the point because nobody else attempted the puzzle!
The official TRS did not appear until 1959. I think this could be an eigenbau built in Germany in recent years and based on an imported 1955 TR2 or TR3. The details on the "for sale" advert are not very clear.
Quote from: nicanary on April 24, 2016, 04:43:02 AM
Thank you for the point. I think I received the point because nobody else attempted the puzzle!
The official TRS did not appear until 1959. I think this could be an eigenbau built in Germany in recent years and based on an imported 1955 TR2 or TR3. The details on the "for sale" advert are not very clear.
And with an Alfa Romeo engine
Doesn't look much like a car that an engineer would have designed!
That vertical steering wheel and the near-rightangle universal joint under the bonnet makes one wonder how many similar horrors lurk unseen.
I posted a real TRS nine years ago and this was it:
(http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2200.0;attach=106907;image)
The gearbox doesn't look very TR either. It usually has one of those reverse-crank levers with the knob facing the engine - that slender gearlever looks more like an Alfa. I see from the sale ad that it is supposed to be based on a 1955 TR2. I'm beginning to think it's just the chassis plate!
Quote from: nicanary on April 24, 2016, 04:43:02 AM
I think I received the point because nobody else attempted the puzzle!
Only because it was locked for you!
I did put a lot of searching (and the odd reply) into it but stopped looking once it got locked for you.
Incidentally I still haven't been able to found anything about this car even with the answer...
Quote from: Carnut on April 25, 2016, 04:32:09 AM
Quote from: nicanary on April 24, 2016, 04:43:02 AM
I think I received the point because nobody else attempted the puzzle!
Only because it was locked for you!
I did put a lot of searching (and the odd reply) into it but stopped looking once it got locked for you.
Incidentally I still haven't been able to found anything about this car even with the answer...
I think it was probably built-up from scratch by a German classic car dealer, based on the documentation of a TR2, and fitted with the Alfa twin-cam because it looked a bit like the Triumph Sabrina engine. It's a sort of evocation of the TRS cars. The price is optimistic - 85k Euro.
Years into the future, when we're all gone and memories have faded, some of these cars are going to cause all sorts of problems for the then-current crop of archivists...
Quote from: Carnut on April 25, 2016, 05:00:51 AM
Years into the future, when we're all gone and memories have faded, some of these cars are going to cause all sorts of problems for the then-current crop of archivists...
Couldn't agree more. Do you remember that Belgian (?) car dealer a couple of years ago who was selling supposedly (does AP have a decent litigation lawyer?) ex-works Alfa sports racers which had in fact been made up from Alfa 1900SS mechanicals? They may have been brought in from South America. It all depends on what the vendor is prepared to admit and confirm.
Yes, there's a depressingly large number of workshops churning out 1950s classic racing cars with wonderful competition histories and matching numbers... all of them 'clones'! It's not so difficult to identify them today but in 50 years time? It's going to keep a whole army of as-yet unborn lawyers in clover for many years!
Don't turn over the flat stone that has Maserati Birdcage Tipo 61 2459 lurking underneath!!!
All ready for Moss and Gurney to run at the 2008 Nurburgring 1000kms. Did Maserati make a "continuation" run of Birdcages? It's news to me.
All our comments are only relevant if classic cars continue to interest people in 50 years' time. Maybe the trend will be for circa 2000AD gadgets and apps. Remember that attitudes change - that's why the VSCC was formed, Bentleys and 30/98s were being turned into breakdown trucks!
SACO - sorry for turning your interesting puzzle into a personal conversation between members with a common complaint!
I've found the website where this car is for sale and quote the following from it:
QUOTE
The triumph TR SS is a one of a kind. We have purchased the TR SS nearly 15 years ago as a restoration object. After many years of restoration our triumph TR has mastered now successfully the first missions (including test day four at the Salzburgring) SS. Everything works great. The TR SS is really fun! For more information about the vehicle we are gladly at any time at the disposal. Additional photos can be found on our homepage.
UNQUOTE
This is of course a computer translation.. The car is described as 1955 but that must be the TR2 on which it is based; surely it can't have existed for 61 years without anyone knowing about it?!
The following pictures come from this website:
For accuracy should we perhaps add the word "Fake" to the thread title?
Yes ! sorry for this fake !
Quote from: SACO on April 25, 2016, 04:40:37 PM
Yes ! sorry for this fake !
IMHO it's not a fake. It's not pretending to be a TRS, but it's a modern interpretation of a similar style of car. Probably that's why they called it TR SS. I think calling it an evocation is a good idea.
And I think it's a great puzzle!
Yes, nicanary, I agree that "Evocation" is the right word as there was no attempt at deception nor was the maker trying to make an exact replica.