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Title: Solved -PJ695- Etienne Leroy's 198cc Voiturette
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 21, 2015, 02:12:05 PM
What is this?
1 point for you!
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Post by: kwgibbs on December 09, 2015, 04:18:32 AM
is it a home built from hungary?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on December 09, 2015, 05:41:30 AM
Not from Hungary.
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Post by: pnegyesi on December 09, 2015, 06:18:39 AM
was this made in a country formerly behind the Iron Curtain?
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Post by: kwgibbs on December 09, 2015, 06:54:37 AM
is it based on a fiat?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on December 09, 2015, 11:36:19 AM
Quote from: pnegyesi on December 09, 2015, 06:18:39 AM
was this made in a country formerly behind the Iron Curtain?
Nope
Quote from: kwgibbs on December 09, 2015, 06:54:37 AM
is it based on a fiat?
and nope.
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Post by: kwgibbs on December 09, 2015, 11:38:10 AM
is it European though?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on December 09, 2015, 11:40:05 AM
Yes!
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Post by: kwgibbs on December 09, 2015, 11:42:04 AM
French perhaps?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on December 09, 2015, 11:42:37 AM
French it is!
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Post by: kwgibbs on December 09, 2015, 11:44:30 AM
was it the builder,s own design,or based on another car?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on December 09, 2015, 11:48:46 AM
Own design.
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Post by: kwgibbs on December 09, 2015, 12:06:38 PM
was the builder a well known one?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on December 09, 2015, 12:14:29 PM
Not a known name.
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Post by: pnegyesi on December 09, 2015, 12:51:46 PM
was the pic sourced from Facebook?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on December 09, 2015, 12:54:10 PM
Not from there.
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Post by: pnegyesi on December 09, 2015, 01:05:08 PM
online source?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on December 09, 2015, 01:07:58 PM
I found it online, yes.
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Post by: oko94 on December 09, 2015, 01:13:08 PM
Was it built during WWII ?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on December 09, 2015, 01:24:58 PM
It was ready in early 50s for sure.
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Post by: oko94 on December 10, 2015, 05:34:07 AM
Was the builder located in Paris area ?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on December 10, 2015, 06:25:22 AM
I do not have this information.
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Post by: oko94 on December 11, 2015, 03:33:30 AM
Is its engine smaller than 250cc ?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on December 11, 2015, 03:50:54 AM
Quote from: oko94 on December 11, 2015, 03:33:30 AM
Is its engine smaller than 250cc ?
Yes.
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Post by: oko94 on December 11, 2015, 04:19:08 AM
Smaller than 125cc ?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on December 11, 2015, 04:27:05 AM
198cc
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Post by: pnegyesi on December 11, 2015, 01:11:23 PM
was this picture sourced from an online forum?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on December 11, 2015, 02:40:19 PM
Yes.
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Post by: Paul Jaray on December 19, 2015, 02:38:58 PM
There were similar cars in the States too...
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Post by: oko94 on December 23, 2015, 10:26:15 AM
Crosley-related ?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on December 23, 2015, 12:23:09 PM
Nope...they key is another.
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Post by: oko94 on January 03, 2016, 07:18:02 AM
Is it fitted with an American engine ?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on January 03, 2016, 07:23:46 AM
Nope...
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Post by: oko94 on January 03, 2016, 07:27:56 AM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on December 19, 2015, 02:38:58 PM
There were similar cars in the States too...

Am I right if I say that the puzzle car doesn't share any component with an American car, but is similar in its design to some American car ?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on January 03, 2016, 07:33:38 AM
Big clue: not at all in its design. More in the way they were built...not kit cars but.....
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Post by: oko94 on January 03, 2016, 09:03:51 AM
Partially built car that had to be finished by its buyer ?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on January 03, 2016, 12:57:24 PM
Not just finished...but I think you got the idea.
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Post by: Wendax on January 03, 2016, 01:03:04 PM
Did the buyer get just the plans and had to do the rest by himself?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on January 03, 2016, 01:14:26 PM
Yes, in a certain way.
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Post by: Wendax on January 03, 2016, 01:17:20 PM
From a magazine like "Système D" or "L'Automobile" (http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=29348.25)?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on January 03, 2016, 02:46:10 PM
Exactly, from one of those.
Locked for you.
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Post by: Paul Jaray on January 07, 2016, 10:20:50 AM
The answer is in one of the magazines you mentioned in your reply...available online too.
There are plenty of details there, but I just need the builder's name.
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Post by: Wendax on January 07, 2016, 12:18:17 PM
Still stumped. Is it from "L'automobile"?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on January 07, 2016, 03:54:47 PM
not that...
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 09, 2016, 06:47:50 AM
still locked?
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Post by: Wendax on January 09, 2016, 07:10:07 AM
I couldn't find a Système D archive, so feel free to unlock.
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Post by: Paul Jaray on January 09, 2016, 07:16:00 AM
Just the name is mising: Mr. Xxxxx Xxxxxx
There is a 6-page article in a '52 issue of "Système D" magazine.

Open to all.
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 09, 2016, 01:39:44 PM
David Boyer?
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Post by: oko94 on January 10, 2016, 08:45:56 AM
Système D, issue 76, april 1952. It's for sale on different websites but unfortunately only the cover (with a drawing of the puzzle car) is visible. And, no, I won't buy it just for the sake of scoring a point !
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Post by: Wendax on January 10, 2016, 08:59:47 AM
That is just about as far as I have got.  ;D
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Post by: Paul Jaray on January 10, 2016, 12:37:58 PM
Quote from: pnegyesi on January 09, 2016, 01:39:44 PM
David Boyer?
Not David.
Not Boyer, but if you change one letter and rearrange the others, you'll have it.
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Post by: oko94 on January 10, 2016, 12:43:35 PM
Roger Boriet ? (surname is supposed to be six letter long, right ?)
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Post by: Paul Jaray on January 10, 2016, 12:56:11 PM
Quote from: oko94 on January 10, 2016, 12:43:35 PM
Roger Boriet ? (surname is supposed to be six letter long, right ?)
Not Roger: Xxxxxxx
Not Boriet. (six letters, but not those)
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Post by: oko94 on January 10, 2016, 01:12:49 PM
Georges Robier ?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on January 10, 2016, 01:51:03 PM
David
Roger
Georges

This name starts and ends with the same letter.

Ok, again, I made a mistake.
Not Boyer, but if you change one letter and rearrange the others, you'll have it.
Those ar 5 letters.

Boyer XXXX_ (4 letters right, none in the right position)
Robier XXXX_- (4 letters right, none in the right position)
Boriet OXXX_- (3 letters right, 1 in the right position)
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Post by: Wendax on January 10, 2016, 02:08:42 PM
Emile Irroy?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 10, 2016, 02:14:15 PM
I am confused. 5 or 6 letters?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on January 10, 2016, 02:19:50 PM
Surname is 5.
XXroy.
Name is 7.
Not Emile.
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Post by: Wendax on January 10, 2016, 02:28:12 PM
Etienne Reroy?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 10, 2016, 02:30:45 PM
Leroy?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on January 10, 2016, 02:40:55 PM
Quote from: Wendax on January 10, 2016, 02:28:12 PM
Etienne Reroy?
Quote from: pnegyesi on January 10, 2016, 02:30:45 PM
Leroy?
Wendax found the name and Pal the surname.
Etienny Leroy built this car using which engine?
Locked for you 2.
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Post by: Wendax on January 10, 2016, 02:44:01 PM
Ydral?

(Your hint that four letters of Robier were right was misleading, as there is only one R in Leroy.  :( )
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Post by: Paul Jaray on January 11, 2016, 04:18:52 AM
Kudos to Pal who found it despite my misleading clue, then.
Thank you for being so accurate, I hope in the future I will make less and less mistakes untill I'll reach perfection  :)
Not Ydral.
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Post by: Wendax on January 11, 2016, 04:42:00 AM
Villiers?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on January 11, 2016, 01:13:26 PM
not Villiers.
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Post by: Wendax on January 11, 2016, 01:18:02 PM
AMC?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on January 11, 2016, 03:44:57 PM
not AMC.
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Post by: Wendax on January 11, 2016, 03:47:59 PM
Ultima?
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Post by: oko94 on January 11, 2016, 03:50:20 PM
Still locked ?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on January 11, 2016, 05:02:04 PM
Open to all.
Not Ultima.
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Post by: Paul Jaray on January 12, 2016, 08:13:15 AM
I really would like to call it solved...I need someone to finish it off or I won't be able to award a point.
I just need the engine it was used and since it's been a pure guessing name so far, it's just a matter of few more guesses.
198cc, not abscure at all.
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Post by: Carnut on January 12, 2016, 08:40:03 AM
Heinkel?
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Post by: oko94 on January 12, 2016, 08:41:53 AM
Monet Goyon ?
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Post by: kwgibbs on January 12, 2016, 09:10:16 AM
sachs?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on January 12, 2016, 10:30:16 AM
no x 3.
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Post by: oko94 on January 12, 2016, 10:41:29 AM
French engine ?
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Post by: Carnut on January 12, 2016, 10:44:15 AM
JLO single cylinder?
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Post by: kwgibbs on January 12, 2016, 01:03:50 PM
ballot engine?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on January 12, 2016, 01:12:50 PM
no x 3.
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Post by: oko94 on January 12, 2016, 01:14:33 PM
BMW engine ?
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Post by: kwgibbs on January 12, 2016, 01:19:26 PM
kohler Engine?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on January 12, 2016, 02:19:18 PM
no & no.
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 12, 2016, 02:39:45 PM
French engine?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on January 12, 2016, 02:44:20 PM
not a French engine.
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Post by: kwgibbs on January 12, 2016, 02:51:04 PM
zundapp 600cc 18 hp. engine?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on January 12, 2016, 03:37:28 PM
198cc engine. Not Zundapp.
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Post by: kwgibbs on January 12, 2016, 03:49:33 PM
DKW 198cc engine?
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Post by: oko94 on January 12, 2016, 03:57:19 PM
Italian engine ?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on January 12, 2016, 04:45:24 PM
Not DKW and not Italian.
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Post by: Wendax on January 12, 2016, 04:54:43 PM
Sachs?
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Post by: kwgibbs on January 12, 2016, 05:16:01 PM
glas?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on January 12, 2016, 05:40:01 PM
Not Sachs or Glas.
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Post by: oko94 on January 12, 2016, 05:40:25 PM
German engine ?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on January 12, 2016, 05:43:26 PM
Yes!
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Post by: oko94 on January 12, 2016, 05:45:13 PM
Goliath engine ?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on January 12, 2016, 05:45:36 PM
Not Goliath.
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Post by: oko94 on January 12, 2016, 05:46:15 PM
Post-war or pre-war engine ?
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Post by: kwgibbs on January 12, 2016, 05:51:21 PM
Lloyd?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on January 12, 2016, 05:53:54 PM
Quote from: oko94 on January 12, 2016, 05:46:15 PM
Post-war or pre-war engine ?
I'm not an expert in that field (and this is a big clue) but the years I found are around 1935-1940 for similar engines.
Not Lloyd.
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Post by: oko94 on January 12, 2016, 05:56:07 PM
Motorcycle engine ?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on January 12, 2016, 05:56:28 PM
Yes!
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Post by: oko94 on January 12, 2016, 06:06:21 PM
NSU ?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 13, 2016, 12:11:10 AM
Zündapp?
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Post by: Wendax on January 13, 2016, 02:50:13 AM
Ardie?
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Post by: kwgibbs on January 13, 2016, 03:12:28 AM
maico?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on January 13, 2016, 05:05:21 AM
Quote from: oko94 on January 12, 2016, 06:06:21 PM
NSU ?
Finally!
It's been a race between 4 of you...you should have 0,25 point each!
Now this tiny little car can move away!
Title: Re: Solved -PJ695- Etienne Leroy's 198cc Voiturette
Post by: oko94 on January 13, 2016, 06:37:54 AM
Indeed, I only guessed the last bit of information, I'm clearly not deserving the whole point ! You could grant points to other puzzlers involved to get the balance right.
Title: Re: Solved -PJ695- Etienne Leroy's 198cc Voiturette
Post by: Paul Jaray on January 13, 2016, 07:23:57 AM
Each one of you provided a different piece after several guesses.
I think 4 points for a puzzle solved this way are too many.
You guessed more than anyone and the puzzle was locked 2 times...I think it's fair enough ;)