Solved - NEH 4983: 1938 Fiat 500A Topolino-based Barchetta with Siata head

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November 09, 2016, 07:24:01 AM Last Edit: November 25, 2016, 08:44:12 AM by Carnut
What's this, from when, powered by what - for 1 point?:

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Carnut

#1
November 23, 2016, 05:09:08 AM
Experts?
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thorax

#2
November 23, 2016, 05:48:58 AM
Fiat derived?
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Carnut

#3
November 23, 2016, 06:00:39 AM
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thorax

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November 23, 2016, 06:08:18 AM
searching "Fiat 500 topolino barchetta", I've found the car on a italian website: the seller says that the car is a derived barchetta from Fiat 500A (1938), with alluminium body. No mention about the coachbuilder
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Carnut

#5
November 23, 2016, 06:46:45 AM
Quote from: thorax on November 23, 2016, 06:08:18 AM
searching "Fiat 500 topolino barchetta", I've found the car on a italian website: the seller says that the car is a derived barchetta from Fiat 500A (1938), with alluminium body. No mention about the coachbuilder

It is based on a 500A Topolino from 1938, yes, but I still need to know about its engine for the point..
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D-type

#6
November 23, 2016, 08:22:36 AM
Would it be a Fiat 1100?
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thorax

#7
November 23, 2016, 09:54:15 AM
Fiat 500 A engine and Siata head
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Carnut

#8
November 23, 2016, 11:44:50 AM
Quote from: D-type on November 23, 2016, 08:22:36 AM
Would it be a Fiat 1100?

That's what I have it as, yes, but with a head than Siata.
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Mogul

#9
November 24, 2016, 09:34:14 AM
Looks like Ermini 1100 sport

Carnut

#10
November 25, 2016, 04:26:38 AM
Quote from: Mogul on November 24, 2016, 09:34:14 AM
Looks like Ermini 1100 sport

No Ermini connection AFAIK..
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Hiawatha

#11
November 25, 2016, 05:21:50 AM
It seems that the engine currently fitted is a standard Fiat 500A

Carnut

#12
November 25, 2016, 05:33:47 AM
Quote from: Hiawatha on November 25, 2016, 05:21:50 AM
It seems that the engine currently fitted is a standard Fiat 500A

Maybe, but the car has been restored quite recently and I seem to remember I got the information from somewhere which described the restoration, and it said it has an 1100 engine but tuned by someone I had never heard of..  That's the name I was looking for, but I need to check and see if I can confirm that information is correct.
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Carnut

#13
November 25, 2016, 07:56:15 AM
Right, I've had a look into this and it seems my Italian is somewhat suspect...

I know you've pictured a 500A engine thorax, but it doesn't seem to be in situ.
The seller says it has a Fiat 1100 engine which has been downgraded (I thought 'Abbasato' referred to some tuning company... Sorry - no wonder I'd never heard of them!), which is the answer I'm assuming is correct.

So it's 1 point to thorax for finding the right car and I've given another to D-Type for getting the Fiat 1100 engine connection.
Well done.
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Carnut

#14
November 25, 2016, 08:43:28 AM
I understand the car does have a 500A engine and the seller was referring to the brakes which are Fiat 1100..
It all depends on the punctuation marks and he actually meant something rather different from the way Google translates the Italian!

So I'm, sorry D-Type but it wasn't an 1100 at all so I'll have to dock your point again.  My apologies.
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Paul Jaray

#15
November 25, 2016, 02:04:30 PM
I think I have something more about it...I'll post it soon(er or later) ;)

thorax

#16
November 25, 2016, 04:08:23 PM
the seller says that brakes are from a Fiat 1100 (freni maggiorati derivati fiat 1100): he says that the car fits a common Fiat Topolino engine (ora monta un motore topolino A normale ) but he can give a Siata head ( fornisco modifica testa siata nuova ); vehicle registration from Fiat 500 A "berlina" (auto a i documenti di un topolino A berlina del 1938)
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Paul Jaray

#17
November 27, 2016, 07:43:28 AM
According to the seller, this car was built by S.I.A.V. (or better, in its building) in 1950 from a '36 Fiat 500a.
The car is now completely restored but oddly enough, when I asked the owner if the car was the same of the previous year, (when I saw it for sale in his stand and was in the puzzle car's configuration) he said it was not!
This is the car today:
(I saw the papers the seller has got, but there's nothing about this very car but some letters)
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