What car is this , for 1 point ?
any ties with auburn ?
A Louis Reynard Special?
Not an Auburn ! and I don't know the " coachbuilder " !
Experts ?
Is it based upon a '20 car?
No , early 30s !
Is the base an English tourer?
No !
French?
Yes !
peugeot?
Not Peugeot !
panhard?
Not Panhard !
Renault?
Not Renault !
rene bonnet?
Nobody's said Citroen
Not René Bonnet and not Citroen !
A Delahaye?
from 1935
De Dion Buton?
Not Delahaye and not De Dion Bouton !
Both French base car and body ? If so, well-known make or small one ?
French base , but I don't know the " coachbuilder " !
I think it's not...but I want to gamble: is it a Bugatti based?
Not a Bugatti !
Who's left?
Delage
Not Delage !
Assuming that it's a well-known make, how about Talbot ?
Salmson ???
Yes ,Talbot !
Locked for mekubb
Talbot H75 ? Just a guess...
Yes ,Talbot H75 !
1 point for you !
I can tell some more about this mysterious car. I've seen it at a veteran car meeting in Hamburg in September, 1983, when it was owned by an elderly man from Northern Germany. It is a 1927 Talbot, and its owner said that the bodywork was done by a Danish coachbuilder who held a royal warrant of appointment from the Danish Royal Court. When asked from when the body dated, he insisted that it was the original body to the car, but I think the body was made in the 1930s. In an Oldtimer Markt article from 1984 they repeat the owner's story (fairytale?) of a Danish count who bought a Talbot prototype chassis in 1927, commissioned a special bodywork which was done by a Danish coachbuilder named Hansen. The car was ready in 1929, and the count kept it until he died in 1974. The engine is said to be a 5.2 litre six-cylinder unit developing 140 hp at 4000 rpm. Top speed should have been 145 km/h. No pictures of the engine were made, because ,,the bonnet is fixed with many screws that are rarely opened, just for changing the oil". Sunlight probably would have harmed this spectacular engine. ;) The car appeared twice for sale in German veteran car magazine ads, once in 1992 and then again in 2000, when it was described as a Talbot K75, but still with those unusual engine data.
Thanks Wendax for the story ! Never heard of this Danish coach builder, but looking at the design of this Talbot he was definitively no Pininfarina ;D But it remains an interesting car. So it's a K75 and not a H75 as I called it ?
Not to be overly pedantic, but if this car is pre-1935, I don't think it can be called a Talbot Lago, just a Talbot. Tony Lago bought the french factory in that year when the Sunbeam-Talbot-Darracq group failed and the cars built at the French plant assumed the combined name of the old Talbot and his surname for the export market and were called simply Talbot in France....except in Britain where they were badged as Darracqs. Confused yet? Yeah, me, too. ??? However, in that same Britain, Sunbeam-Talbots were produced from 1938 until production was halted at the onset of WWII. Afterward, the Talbot was dropped and Sunbeam resumed production.
If my sources are correct, the French portion, Talbot Lago, continued (healthy or otherwise) until 1960, with the name having been bought by Simca in 1958.
I've been in a class all afternoon and it's colder'n a witch's...well, it's damned cold here in the high desert. The thermometer readout in my Suburban's mirror said -2F (-19C), although I don't think it was quite that cold...but anything below freezing is damned cold for an old man with a bad heart and circulatory system. So I'm now trying to thaw out and catch up on everything that's happened throughout the day.
And speaking of Sunbeams, it reminded me that a friend owns "the world's fastest Sunbeam", a "slightly" modified Series V Alpine that was built for the express purpose of beating Sir Henry Segrave's record set in 1927. In 2010, he was able to bump the record by one mile per hour to 204.912. It only took 83 years to break Sir Henry's record.
But I digress...as usual.
I agree with Ray that it isn't a Talbot Lago. Anthony Lago only appeared on the scene from early 1934.
The name Talbot-Darracq seems to have been dropped around the early to mid-1920s and cars were exhibited and advertised simply as Talbot.
According to my Talbot history by Alain Spitz, the K75 model years were 1929-1930. The H75 models were built from 1932-1934.
As to the claim of the engine being a 5.2 litre I have my doubts as the K75 was fitted with a 6-cyl 2652cc engine of 14-16cv.
The H75 engines were also 6-cyl but with a capacity of 3172cc and 3380cc both producing 19cv.
The largest Talbot engine listed was an 8-cyl 4584cc of 18-20cv produced 1920-1922.
Talbot racing cars of the late 1920s were normally fitted with 8-cyl 1500cc engines and the much later Talbot Lago GP car had a 6-cyl 4500cc engine.
Perhaps this is the reason that the engine is kept hidden from view?
I think Saco misspelled the name in the 'subject' field, my reply was a Talbot H75 and earlier he said that Talbot was right. That's also why I was asking whether it was a H75 (my guess) or a K75 (Saco's answer). Remains a bit of a mystery car...
The owner back in 1983 called it a "Talbot Paris". I guess it was either pure fiction or it should indicate its French origin, although the cars were built in Suresnes, a Parisian suburb. At the back of the car was an inappropriate "Talbot" plastic badge of the renamed Simcas. :yuck:
Sorry for my answers ! ^-^
Not a Talbot-Lago ; I wanted to say French Talbot !
Thank's for Wendax's story and K75
Quote from: RayTheRat on January 05, 2013, 09:19:35 PM
However, in that same Britain, Sunbeam-Talbots were produced from 1938 until production was halted at the onset of WWII. Afterward, the Talbot was dropped and Sunbeam resumed production.
Actually if you mean the Sunbeam-Talbot name was not used after the war that's not quite right.
The name Sunbeam-Talbot continued to be used after 1945 and only when the Mk III version of what had been the Sunbeam-Talbot 90 was introduced in 1954 was the Talbot name dropped, apparently to avoid confusion with the French Talbot marque, leaving the car to be called the Sunbeam 90 Mk III.
Quote from: Carnut on January 06, 2013, 02:59:42 PM
Quote from: RayTheRat on January 05, 2013, 09:19:35 PM
However, in that same Britain, Sunbeam-Talbots were produced from 1938 until production was halted at the onset of WWII. Afterward, the Talbot was dropped and Sunbeam resumed production.
Actually if you mean the Sunbeam-Talbot name was not used after the war that's not quite right.
The name Sunbeam-Talbot continued to be used after 1945 and only when the Mk III version of what had been the Sunbeam-Talbot 90 was introduced in 1954 was the Talbot name dropped, apparently to avoid confusion with the French Talbot marque, leaving the car to be called the Sunbeam 90 Mk III.
I guess my source was in error. Since you're a lot closer to things, and because of your demonstrated knowledge, I'll take your statement as gospel rather than the source I was using. Thanks for the correction.
Quote from: Wendax on January 05, 2013, 04:27:00 PM
I've seen it at a veteran car meeting in Hamburg in September, 1983, when it was owned by an elderly man from Northern Germany.
Photos I took back then:
Please tell the story of this car for a point. Mechanical base, builder and what happened
Experts?
(yes, this is a repost but I know the full story now)
British custom, based on a Morgan Plus 8?
absolutely not
Any connection to the coachbuilder Antem?
nothing at all
Home-built body on a pre-war chassis ?
yes
(though there is another narrative about it, but that is a false narrative)
Professionals?
Made in France, Talbot-Darracq based?
not made in France
Talbot based
From the UK?
It seema to be an attempt to copy this Graber-bodied car.
not from the UK
European?
yes
From Czechoslovakia?
no
Talbot K75 1927 the" king Kylie car " for Anders Andersen !
not for Anders Andersen, but built by him for Gunnar Bratvold, publisher of Mobilia magazine in 1950-1951. This all happened in Denmark.
Today the car is in Germany and the current owner was given a false provenance for the car, so that is why the car appeared on AP before as an unknown.
Veteran Tidende, which is a very good magazine ran a story on this car in June, 2000.
Very nicely found! Congratulations
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