On what basis was this bus manufactured (manufacturer and type) and who was the coachbuilder?
Up to the Experts.
from Eastern Block?
No, it is from Western Europe.
Up to the Professionals.
Mercedes-Benz by Føreland ?
Neither nor.
German ?
Yes.
Neoplan ?
No.
Henschel ?
No connection with Henschel.
Krupp ?
No.
M.A.N-Büssing ?
No, unfortunately not either.
Magirus-Deutz ?
Yes :thumbsup: Locked for five attempts to answer the whole question.
I think that it is a bus of the Deutsche Touring. I found a similar body made by Ramseier & Jenzer. Is it the coachbuilder ?
I've also seen this picture before, but I can't remember where... The puzzle bus was not built for Deutsche Touring and not by Ramseier & Jenzer.
I'm stuck. Please unlock this puzzle.
Too bad. The similarity is really striking, but there are differences in the details. It is possible that there was a collaboration between the coachbuilders.
Unlocked
Edit There was a cooperation between Ramseier & Jenzer and the coachbuilder of the puzzle-bus.
Is the body German?
Yes.
OK. Magirus-Deutz by Vetter Saturn II Deutsche Touring Gmbh.
Locked again for pguillem, because Vetter is right. Deutsche Touring was not the customer, but that is not the question.
However, the type designation was no longer Saturn II, but??
Saturn III ?
I don't even know of a Saturn III. After the Saturn II, Magirus-Deutz switched from planetary names to a combination of numbers and letters. The puzzle bus also lacks the step in the roof.
I found a Saturn III MS of the Kölner Verkehrs-Betriebe AG, built in 1964.
Is 70_3 (230 T 117) the combination you look for ?
Close up: The Puzzle bus was not intended for the Cologne transport company. 70_3 doesn't mean anything to me, but your example for the type designation is correct in principle. With the Puzzle bus, however: less power, different type of use, different length designation. Still blocked.
Sorry, I can't find the bustyp. Please open it again.
Too bad :( Unlocked
All I know about the puzzle bus.
1. A similar bus was used by the Deutsche Touring for the liaison Munich-Teheran-Munich. It was a Magirus-Deutz Saturn II L delivered in 1965 to TBT. Co./Iran
2. A similar bus was also in use by the Würzburger Straßenbahn (Wagen 62). I don't know the Bus typ.
Yes, it's the "Würzburger Straßenbahn" car. Good luck finding the type designation. Maybe take another guess after looking at #31.
Quote from: sichel on February 03, 2024, 02:29:21 PM
Yes, it's the "Würzburger Straßenbahn" car. Good luck finding the type designation. Maybe take another guess after looking at #31.
My informer from Würzburg tells me that this company operated only the Saturn II and III plus the VöV Version. The only VöV I could find is this 150 S11 from 1967. Could it be this one ?
In 1964, Magirus changed the type designations of the buses from planetary names to a combination of numbers and letters: three-digit number for the power in horsepower / letter for use as a city bus, intercity bus or coach / two-digit number for the length in metres. The puzzle bus dates from this period.
I think it is very likely that the old names were still used in everyday life.
Anyway, I'm stuck again. Please unlock.
This puzzle is unlocked.
Well, I found traces of the Magirus Saturn III. I assume that it was introduced after the model changes in 1963. One is the Cologne Saturn III MS from 1964 (see post #30) and there is also a workshop manual for Saturn I, II and III from 1963, but I only have a type designation for the puzzle bus according to the scheme introduced in 1964. It should therefore have been built between 1964 and 1966. A small step in the roof was introduced in 1966, which it lacks. So this puzzle is still unsolved.
Up to the Masters.
150 R 12?
Yes, it is a Magirus 150 R12, built by Vetter and therefore your next point.
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