Sorry for the poor photo quality.
The base car is obvious, so no points there, but to gain a point, who made this, and what was its full name?
Onward to the sumptuous picnic...
Sources indicate it is a 1980 Rolls-Royce Silver Spur modified by Classic Coachworks, but none of that should be worth a lock.
Quote from: sixtee5cuda on July 04, 2017, 10:07:45 AM
Sources indicate it is a 1980 Rolls-Royce Silver Spur modified by Classic Coachworks, but none of that should be worth a lock.
I will lock it for you for one reply as it is from the early 1980s, and it was a Silver Spur modified by Classic Coachworks, so just its 'official' name needed.
"California"?
Quote from: sixtee5cuda on July 04, 2017, 12:46:00 PM
"California"?
No, not California. Re-open to all again...
I found your picture on a popular pictorial website but it gave no information about the car, other than it was a "factory photo"! It didn't say which factory...
Body by Bugaboo?
Quote from: D-type on July 06, 2017, 02:20:46 PM
Body by Bugaboo?
No, body by Classic Coachworks, as already established.
The Brunei Spur? ;D ;D
Up to the Pros for the model name...
Is its name related to its body style (like Estate or Shooting Brake) ?
Quote from: oko94 on August 04, 2017, 06:00:19 AM
Is its name related to its body style (like Estate or Shooting Brake) ?
Partially.
Something like "Beverly Hills Wagon" ?
Quote from: oko94 on August 04, 2017, 06:55:25 AM
Something like "Beverly Hills Wagon" ?
Not really, but Estate does form part of its name.
Custom Estate ?
Hollywood Estate?
Does the name consist in two words ?
Quote from: oko94 on August 04, 2017, 12:25:55 PM
Does the name consist in two words ?
No, the model name is four words.
West Coast Estate Car?
Concours d'Elegance Estate ?
Is the name based on a feature associated with California in a geographical or topological manner?
Like Beverly Hills Estate Car?!
Quote from: Carnut on August 04, 2017, 03:27:27 PM
Like Beverly Hills Estate Car?!
oko94 has already tried Beverley Hills Wagon.
How about Malibu Beach Estate Wagon?
Quote from: nicanary on August 04, 2017, 03:02:43 PM
Is the name based on a feature associated with California in a geographical or topological manner?
No, more its geographical location ;)
Quote from: nicanary on August 04, 2017, 04:01:40 PM
Quote from: Carnut on August 04, 2017, 03:27:27 PM
Like Beverly Hills Estate Car?!
oko94 has already tried Beverley Hills Wagon.
How about Malibu Beach Estate Wagon?
None of the above.
Pacific Estate De Luxe ?
El Capitano Estate Car?
Wow, I'll have what ever you chaps are drinking please! No one is close so far, apart from the word Estate.
Rodeo Drive Estate Cruiser?
Palm Springs Estate Car?
Quote from: Carnut on August 05, 2017, 05:54:41 PM
Palm Springs Estate Car?
Oh my, this one could go on for a while...
Is one of the words Monterey?
Are the three remaining words English ?
Besides "Estate", is any of the remaining words related to the body style ?
Quote from: oko94 on August 06, 2017, 12:40:08 PM
Besides "Estate", is any of the remaining words related to the body style ?
One other word is vaguely connected, but not the other two.
You said more its geographical location, so how about West Coast Ranch Estate?
Quote from: Carnut on August 06, 2017, 01:20:31 PM
You said more its geographical location, so how about West Coast Ranch Estate?
Getting warmer along the right lines.
South California Custom Estate?
Golden State Hunting Estate ?
Malibu Beach Custom Estate?
None of the above.
Ventura Highway Estate Wagon?!
Big Sur Estate Wagon?
Quote from: nicanary on August 07, 2017, 05:46:24 AM
Big Sur Estate Wagon?
Oh! Add a letter to one of the words you've used and you've got 50% of the answer ;)
Spur instead of Sur?
Quote from: Oguerrerob on August 07, 2017, 06:38:02 AM
Spur instead of Sur?
Yes, indeed. So, to summarize, we now know that this station wagon conversion was the work of Classic Coachwork in 1981, with two of the words from the car's model name being Estate and Spur (though not necessarily in that order!), so...
Silver Spur Seashore Estate ?
Quote from: oko94 on August 07, 2017, 07:06:27 AM
Silver Spur Seashore Estate ?
No, and as a clue, Silver is not one of the missing words.
Quote from: Djetset on August 07, 2017, 06:45:58 AM
Quote from: Oguerrerob on August 07, 2017, 06:38:02 AM
Spur instead of Sur?
Yes, indeed. So, to summarize, we now know that this station wagon conversion was the work of Classic Coachwork in 1981, with two of the words from the car's model name being Estate and Spur (though not necessarily in that order!), so...
Actually that much we already knew from previous answers! It's a RR Silver Spur Estate but we need to find 4 words that constitute the model name (one of them being 'Estate' but not including any of the others mentioned above...)
A reminder of what was said:
Quote from: Djetset on July 04, 2017, 11:54:43 AM
Quote from: sixtee5cuda on July 04, 2017, 10:07:45 AM
Sources indicate it is a 1980 Rolls-Royce Silver Spur modified by Classic Coachworks, but none of that should be worth a lock.
I will lock it for you for one reply as it is from the early 1980s, and it was a Silver Spur modified by Classic Coachworks, so just its 'official' name needed.
How about Pacific Spur Estate Wagon?
No, not that.
Silicon Valley Spur Estate?!
Quote from: Carnut on August 07, 2017, 01:09:00 PM
Silicon Valley Spur Estate?!
No. I suspect the word No is going to appear quite often here, so to save time and space, if fellow AP users want to keep on guessing, I will respond if and when someone gets closer to the answer.
OK.
Seems like we were barking up the wrong tree thinking it was named after a town, and it was only when I asked about West Coast Ranch that I seemed to be getting warmer.
So should I be looking for a geographical feature like the Coast, or something more like a Ranch? Is it named after a mountain, or a desert of some feature like that?
I've Googled every possible word to find this car, knowing it's a Rolls Royce, is by Classic Coachworks, is based on a Silver Spur and has 'Estate' in its name, but nothing at all comes up. So is the answer in fact out there on the 'Net? If it is why one earth doesn't it show up when Googling for a Rolls Royce Spur Estate?!
It's not named after a town/city, but rather a geographical location. I've not tried Googling this car, as I found it in a book, but it has appeared in print form in various other sources too.
Far West Spur Estate ?
Gold Country Spur Estate ?
Western Shore Spur Estate?
Quote from: Oguerrerob on August 08, 2017, 01:41:28 AM
Western Shore Spur Estate?
Ah ha, Western is one of the four model name words, so just one more to find (ideally in the correct order please!).
Diamond Spur Western Estate ?
Grand Spur Western Estate?
Quote from: oko94 on August 08, 2017, 05:54:35 AM
Diamond Spur Western Estate ?
No, although two of the words are own the correct order ;)
Western Spur Touring Estate?
Quote from: Oguerrerob on August 08, 2017, 06:31:44 AM
Western Spur Touring Estate?
Almost! The words are now in the correct order, but the third word is not Touring. Now locked to you for another attempt to fill in the Western Spur ?????? Estate name.
Nothing in Google, so keep guessing: Western Spur Luxury Estate?
Quote from: Oguerrerob on August 08, 2017, 07:52:43 AM
Nothing in Google, so keep guessing: Western Spur Luxury Estate?
Not 'Luxury' I'm afraid. One more try before I unlock it.
Western Spur Saloon Estate?
Quote from: Oguerrerob on August 08, 2017, 09:13:33 AM
Western Spur Saloon Estate?
Ohh, this is going to be a tricky one to award points to! Not 'Saloon' so open to all again for the final missing word...
Western Spur Park Estate?
Western Spur Sports Estate ?
Western Spur Ranch Estate?
None of the above so far...
Western Spur Limited Estate?
Western Spur Shooting Estate?
Is the missing word "Far West" related ?
How about Western Spur Flying Estate?
Western Spur Royal Estate?
None of the above so far...
The missing word is somehow related to a place? Like Forest?
Is the missing word related to the body style ?
I'm off to watch Laurel & Hardy's "Way Out West" to look for clues. All together now - ".......in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia, on the trail of the lonesome pine......"
Western Spur Hunting Estate?
Still none of the above, although as a clue the missing word does slightly reflect the Rolls-Royce's status ;)
Western Spur Excellence Estate ?
Western Spur Steakhouse and Grill Estate? ;)
Western Spur Premier Estate?
Western Spur Noble Estate?
Western Spur Class Estate?
Quote from: richard cuyler on August 09, 2017, 09:13:24 AM
Western Spur Steakhouse and Grill Estate? ;)
And the winner is...! ;)
Sadly not that, not indeed any of the other guesses so far.
Anything to do with the wine industry?
Quote from: nicanary on August 09, 2017, 11:46:34 AM
Anything to do with the wine industry?
Not that I know of.
Have we tried Western Spur Country Estate?
Quote from: Carnut on August 09, 2017, 12:33:21 PM
Have we tried Western Spur Country Estate?
I don't think so, but it's not that.
In my fruitless search I did find a picture (below), which was captioned:
"Rolls-Royce pickup (Western Spur) from Classic Coachworks, USA, 1980"
!!
Western Spur Grand Estate?
Western Spur Exclusive Estate ?
Western Spur Dream Estate?
Noen of the above (and thanks for the pick-up photo Carnut).
Western Spur Royal Estate (or perhaps the very close Western Spur Regal Estate)?
Edit:
Wendax had already tried Royal; sorry.
Western Spur Elegance Estate?
Western Spur Ecstasy Estate ?
We're still not there yet...
Western Spur Elite Estate?
Western Spur Special Estate? Or is it a name previously used by Rolls-Royce?
Is ythe missing word Majestic?
You won't forget this puzzle will you Djetset?!
Quote from: Carnut on August 10, 2017, 12:39:49 PM
Western Spur Special Estate? Or is it a name previously used by Rolls-Royce?
Not a name used by Rolls-Royce to the best if my knowledge, and none if the guesses tried so far.
Imperial?
Western Spur Superior Estate?
No and no.
Western Spur Crown Estate?
Western Spur Aristocrat Estate?
No.
Western Spur Belle Estate?
Baronial?
Western Spur Supreme Estate?
We're still not there as yet...
Western Spur Prestige Estate?
Western Spur Superb Estate?
Western Spur Sovereign Estate?
Western Spur Glorious Estate?
Not there as yet...
Western Spur Grandious Estate?
Western Spur President Estate?
No. I will shortly make a summary list of the rejected third name so far to make the task easier...
Western Spur Honored Estate?
Western Spur Princess Estate?
I'm sure Djetset mentioned that it was a word related to royalty. Not that I can think of anything...........
Quote from: nicanary on August 14, 2017, 03:46:11 PM
I'm sure Djetset mentioned that it was a word related to royalty. Not that I can think of anything...........
No, I didn't say the missing word was related to royalty at sll, I said to was more related to the status or image of Rolls-Royce.
Which is why I've been going for Premier, Superior, Supreme etc!
I assume Princess was a No as well then?
How about Ultimate?
Western Spur Gilded Estate?
Still none of the above.
Western Spur Comfortable Estate?
Statesman?
and still no.
Western Spur
Quote from: longtom on August 15, 2017, 11:29:55 AM
Western Spur
We've already established the 'Western Spur' part of its name; it's the illusive third word that we're still seeking.
Splendid?
Western Spur Wealthy Estate?
Have we had Opulent?
Quote from: nicanary on August 15, 2017, 02:26:58 PM
Have we had Opulent?
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I don 't believe so, but it's not that, nor any of the others so far.
Western Spur Fancy Estate?
Gentry?
I simply can't find any more words that might be linked to Rolls-Royce's status or have a similar meaning.
I take it that it is an English word?
"Land" perhaps?
Quote from: Carnut on August 16, 2017, 04:22:17 AM
I simply can't find any more words that might be linked to Rolls-Royce's status or have a similar meaning.
I take it that it is an English word?
"Land" perhaps?
It's a regular English word, used every day, and sums up Rolls-Royce very well, but is none of the above so far. If and when this puzzle reaches to 10 pages, I will give a a major clue, if the above isn't clue-enough already ;)
Have we had Prestige?
Exclusive?
Quote from: Carnut on August 13, 2017, 06:00:57 PM
Western Spur Prestige Estate?
We've had it already and I think we've had 'Exclusive' as well.
A list would be useful!
How about Western Spur Exotic Estate?
Western Spur Best Estate ?
Western Spur Top Estate?
Still no.
Western Spur Super Estate ?
Western Spur Great Estate?
Still no.
Western Spur High Estate?
We really need a "scratched off list" of incorrect words'
Royal? Bill
Grace?
Quote from: Bill Murray on August 16, 2017, 03:52:24 PM
We really need a "scratched off list" of incorrect words'
Royal? Bill
Yes - we've already had Royal, Super and Great I think...
Quote from: Carnut on August 16, 2017, 06:20:42 PM
Quote from: Bill Murray on August 16, 2017, 03:52:24 PM
We really need a "scratched off list" of incorrect words'
Royal? Bill
Yes - we've already had Royal, Super and Great I think...
Or, for fans of the immortal comedian and compere Jim Bowen, "Great, smashing, super......."
Ah - we haven't had 'smashing'!
Quote from: Carnut on August 17, 2017, 04:13:56 AM
Ah - we haven't had 'smashing'!
Or "supercalifragilisticexpialidocious".
Bingo!
And if not, how about 'Graceful'?
To save Djetset the job, since he's probably busy with the Revival, here's that list:
Touring
Luxury
Saloon
Park
Sports
Ranch
Limited
Shooting
Flying
Royal
Hunting
Excellence
Premier
Noble
Class
Country
Grand
Exclusive
Dream
Elegance
Ecstacy
Elite
Majestic
Imperial
Superior
Crown
Aristocrat
Belle
Barionial
Supreme
Prestige
Superb
Sovereign
Glorious
Grandiose
President
Honored
Princess
Ultimate
Gilded
Comfortable
Stateman
Splendid
Wealthy
Opulent
Fancy
Gentry
Land
Exotic
Best
Top
Super
Great
High
Grace
Graceful
That just about empties the Engllish Dictionary!
Phew, thanks or this Carnut as with five major events that I am involved with over the next few weeks, (CoE Hampton Court, Hagerty Classic Car Question Time at Beaulieu, Goodwood Revival, Kop Hill and Les Grandes Heures Automobiles at Montlhery) my time is rather tight at the moment as I'm under real pressure, so your list summary is very useful and much appreciated.
Thanks again, and no to all of the suggestions so far.
We've had Premier - what about Premium?
And to increase the usability, here it is in alphabetical order:
Aristocrat
Baronial
Belle
Bespoke
Best
Bold
Class
Classic
Comfortable
Country
Crown
Deluxe
Diplomatic
Distinguished
Dream
Ecstacy
Elegance
Elite
Excellence
Exclusive
Exotic
Famous
Fancy
Fine
Flamboyant
Flying
Genteel
Gentle
Gentry
Gilded
Glorious
Gold
Grace
Graceful
Grand
Grandiose
Great
High
Honorable
Honored
Hunting
Imperial
Impressive
Land
Limited
Luxury
Majestic
Noble
Opulent
Park
Premier
Premium
President
Prestige
Pride
Princess
Ranch
Regal
Royal
Saloon
Select
Shooting
Silver
Sleek
Sophisticated
Sovereign
Special
Spectacular
Splendid
Sports
Statesman
Super
Superb
Superior
Superlative
Supreme
Top
Touring
Ultimate
Vanity
Wealthy
Welfare
Wonderful
Worth
Awaiting replies for:
Even better, thanks Carnut :thumbsup:
How about 'Fine'?
Impressive?
How about "Western"? Bill
Well, a ranch with cowboys.
Spur (s) ?
Bill
Quote from: Bill Murray on August 17, 2017, 07:13:09 AM
How about "Western"? Bill
We already know it's called the Western Spur ***** Estate. It's the ***** we're all looking for!
Quote from: Carnut on August 17, 2017, 08:50:21 AM
Quote from: Bill Murray on August 17, 2017, 07:13:09 AM
How about "Western"? Bill
We already know it's called the Western Spur ***** Estate. It's the ***** we're all looking for!
......and it's ***** that I'm beginnng to call it!
Does the missing word start with a vowel ?
Wonderful?
Spectacular?
Did we get negatives for Premium, Fine and Impressive?
Quote from: nicanary on August 19, 2017, 07:30:51 AM
Did we get negatives for Premium, Fine and Impressive?
If we did, what about Classic?
Regal?
Special ?
Wester Spur Over Estate? Not vowel. Honorable?
Western Spur Worth Estate?
Western Spur Silver Estate?
Sophisticated?
Gold?
Welfare?
Still none of the above...
Deluxe?
Select?
Bespoke?
Flamboyant?
Pride?
Quote from: Djetset on August 16, 2017, 05:27:06 AM
It's a regular English word, used every day, and sums up Rolls-Royce very well
Is the missing word an adjective ?
The missing word is an adjective, and none of the above so far.
Western Spur LookhowrichIam Estate? Western Spur Trump Estate?
Western Spur Distinguished Estate?
And still no...
Bold?
Diplomatic? If not how about Vanity?
Sleek?
Superlative?
Great ?
Famous?
Quote from: Oguerrerob on August 22, 2017, 12:29:19 PM
Famous?
No that one, and now away on business for 36 hours, so keep the guesses coming and I'll respond when I'm back on Thursday. Thanks.
Quote from: Djetset on August 22, 2017, 01:49:00 PM
Quote from: Oguerrerob on August 22, 2017, 12:29:19 PM
Famous?
No that one, and now away on business for 36 hours, so keep the guesses coming and I'll respond when I'm back on Thursday. Thanks.
Assume Bold, Diplomatic, Sleek, Superlative and Vanity are also wrong?
So far we've had 82 guesses; are any of them even close?
We're now on page 10 so await that promised clue with interest!
Gentle?
Or Genteel?
Quote from: Carnut on August 23, 2017, 03:56:55 AM
Or Genteel?
Still no. As this puzzle has now reached 10 pages, I will give another clue to say that the missing name/word consists of six letters (......)
I know we've had "royal" - did we try "royale?"
Up-dated list of all suggestions so far:
Aristocrat
Baronial
Beauty
Belle
Bespoke
Best
Better
Bold
Bright
Class
Classic
Classy
Comfortable
Country
Crown
Deluxe
Diplomatic
Distinguished
Divine
Dream
Ecstacy
Elegance
Elite
Empire
Excellence
Exclusive
Exotic
Famous
Fancy
Fine
Flamboyant
Flashy
Flying
Genteel
Gentle
Gentry
Gilded
Glitzy
Glorious
Gold
Grace
Graceful
Grand
Grandiose
Great
High
Honorable
Honored
Hunting
Imperial
Impressive
Land
Limited
Lordly
Luxury
Majestic
Master
Mighty
Noble
Opulent
Park
Premier
Premium
President
Prestige
Pride
Prince
Princess
Ranch
Regal
Royal
Ruling
Saloon
Select
Shadow
Shooting
Silver
Sleek
Sophisticated
Sovereign
Special
Spectacular
Spirit
Splendid
Sports
Statesman
Super
Superb
Superior
Superlative
Supreme
Swanky
Top
Touring
Ultimate
Vanity
Wealthy
Welfare
Wonderful
Worth
That's 84 guesses so far...
Better?
Master?
Are any of the 84 guesses so far even close?!
Quote from: Carnut on August 24, 2017, 09:01:00 AM
Master?
Are any of the 84 guesses so far even close?!
Thanks for the updated list Carnut. A couple of the 84 guesses so far are along the right lines, and remember that there is no direct Royal connection with the missing word, although Royalty (along with Rolls-Royce) are often considered to be missing word (that's another clue ;).
Ruling?
Flashy ?
Beauty?
Classy?
No and no.
Swanky?
Mighty?
Empire ?
Sorry, but no, no and no.
Bright?
Prince?
No sorry that's a noun so I'll go with Lordly instead.. Or maybe Spirit?
Gloria ?
Status ?
Shadow ?
Glitzy?
Senior ?
Divine ?
Still not there...
Formal ?
You said it wasn't a noun so Leader is out; Esteem?
Styled?
Quote from: oko94 on August 30, 2017, 07:31:23 AM
Formal ?
At last! Well done Oko94, Formal is the missing word, so a point to you, plus a point to sixtee5cuda for originally identifying Classic Coachwork as the creator of this 1981 Rolls-Royce conversion. Thank you everyone for your guesses :D
I'm glad to have put an end to everybody's pain !
Quote from: oko94 on August 30, 2017, 12:00:04 PM
I'm glad to have put an end to everybody's pain !
Here, Here!
I had another 13 6-letter words lined up to try; none of them were the eventual correct answer!
Quote from: Carnut on August 30, 2017, 06:07:51 PM
I had another 13 6-letter words lined up to try; none of them were the eventual correct answer!
Get yourself on Countdown. You get to meet Rachel Riley. Nuff said.
Quote from: nicanary on August 31, 2017, 03:54:03 AM
Quote from: Carnut on August 30, 2017, 06:07:51 PM
I had another 13 6-letter words lined up to try; none of them were the eventual correct answer!
Get yourself on Countdown. You get to meet Rachel Riley. Nuff said.
'Nuff said indeed!
Original source?
I meant photo, not entire source. As posted earlier, there is another photo of this car out there with most of your Title.
Sorry for the mispost.
Bill
Quote from: Bill Murray on September 01, 2017, 10:04:55 AM
Original source?
I meant photo, not entire source. As posted earlier, there is another photo of this car out there with most of your Title.
I found the Puzzle photo in quite an obscure Rolls-Royce book in a junk shop, published about 15 years ago.