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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2017 => Topic started by: grobmotorix on July 19, 2017, 02:28:41 PM

Title: Ex-Caracciola Alfa Romeo P3 with bodywork by Papler
Post by: grobmotorix on July 19, 2017, 02:28:41 PM
Who knows this car?

One point only for the correct chassis make AND the correct coachbuilding company...
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01)
Post by: grobmotorix on August 11, 2017, 02:31:29 PM
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Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01)
Post by: mekubb on August 12, 2017, 11:24:19 AM
British car ?
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01)
Post by: grobmotorix on August 12, 2017, 12:49:09 PM
Neither the chassis nor the bodywork came from the UK.
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01)
Post by: D-type on August 13, 2017, 06:37:27 PM
Italian?
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01)
Post by: longtom on August 14, 2017, 11:17:08 AM
Quote from: grobmotorix on August 12, 2017, 12:49:09 PM
Neither the chassis nor the bodywork came from the UK.

Would it therefore be right to assume that the drive train is British?
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01)
Post by: grobmotorix on August 14, 2017, 12:07:42 PM
Chassis and drive train: Italian

Bodywork:

Italy
UK
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01)
Post by: D-type on August 14, 2017, 02:35:09 PM
Do the Italian bits come from an Alfa Romeo?
And the body from Switzerland?
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01)
Post by: grobmotorix on August 14, 2017, 04:53:32 PM
LOCKED for D-Type:

Chassis and drive train: Alfa Romeo
Bodywork:

CH
I
UK

Three tries to find the correct coachbuilding company...
Title: Re: LOCKED for D-Type / grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo
Post by: D-type on August 14, 2017, 06:48:38 PM
Figoni & Falaschi ?
Title: Re: LOCKED for D-Type / grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo
Post by: grobmotorix on August 15, 2017, 11:38:57 AM
Chassis and drive train: Alfa Romeo
Bodywork:

CH
F
I
UK

Two more tries...
Title: Re: LOCKED for D-Type / grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo
Post by: D-type on August 15, 2017, 01:45:30 PM
A German coachbuilder?
Title: Re: LOCKED for D-Type / grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo
Post by: grobmotorix on August 16, 2017, 12:30:33 PM
Chassis and drive train: Alfa Romeo

Bodywork: by a German company

Still two more tries
Title: Re: LOCKED for D-Type / grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo
Post by: D-type on August 17, 2017, 05:07:39 PM
Were Karman around back then?
Title: Re: LOCKED for D-Type / grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo
Post by: grobmotorix on August 21, 2017, 12:56:10 PM
QuoteWere Karman around back then?
Yes, they were active back then, but this is not a Karmann body.

Chassis and drive train: Alfa Romeo

Bodywork: by a German company
but not:

Karmann

Still one more try...
Title: Re: LOCKED for D-Type / grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo
Post by: D-type on August 24, 2017, 04:10:11 AM
Final try:  Ludwig Weinberger

As is obvious, I know absolutely zilch about German coachbuilders.  Now, those who know the answer and have been itching to post it can do so.
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: grobmotorix on August 24, 2017, 11:43:29 AM
Ok, D-type.

Open for all again.


Chassis and drive train: Alfa Romeo

Bodywork: by a German company
but not:

Karmann
Weinberger
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: mekubb on August 24, 2017, 06:01:41 PM
Erdmann & Rossi or less known ?
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: grobmotorix on August 25, 2017, 11:01:01 AM
Chassis and drive train: Alfa Romeo

Bodywork: by a German company
but not:

Erdmann & Rossi
Karmann
Weinberger

Quoteor less known ?

I should say it was one of the quite well known German coachbuilding companies.
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: mekubb on August 25, 2017, 03:49:47 PM
There were many.... Gläser ?
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: grobmotorix on August 25, 2017, 03:53:28 PM
Chassis and drive train: Alfa Romeo

Bodywork: by a German company
but not:

Erdmann & Rossi
Gläser
Karmann
Weinberger
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: mekubb on August 25, 2017, 03:56:40 PM
Spohn ?
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: grobmotorix on August 25, 2017, 05:02:33 PM
Chassis and drive train: Alfa Romeo

Bodywork: by a German company
but not:

Erdmann & Rossi
Gläser
Karmann
Spohn
Weinberger
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: mekubb on August 26, 2017, 01:58:46 PM
Ambi-Budd ?
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: grobmotorix on August 26, 2017, 02:02:14 PM
Chassis and drive train: Alfa Romeo

Bodywork: by a German company
but not:

Ambi-Budd
Erdmann & Rossi
Gläser
Karmann
Spohn
Weinberger
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: mekubb on August 28, 2017, 05:30:05 AM
Was the coach building company still active after WW2 ?
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: grobmotorix on August 28, 2017, 02:50:13 PM
Wikipedia claims the company is still active, but not in the coachbuilding business as back then.
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: mekubb on August 28, 2017, 04:17:59 PM
Reutter ?
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: grobmotorix on August 28, 2017, 04:54:16 PM
Chassis and drive train: Alfa Romeo

Bodywork: by a German company
but not:

Ambi-Budd
Erdmann & Rossi
Gläser
Karmann
Reutter
Spohn
Weinberger
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: mekubb on August 28, 2017, 05:15:10 PM
Drews ?
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: D-type on August 29, 2017, 11:53:42 AM
Wendler?  Or did they only rebody BMWs?
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: grobmotorix on August 29, 2017, 12:24:50 PM
Chassis and drive train: Alfa Romeo

Bodywork: by a German company
but not:

Ambi-Budd
Drews
Erdmann & Rossi
Gläser
Karmann
Reutter
Spohn
Weinberger
Wendler
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: mekubb on August 29, 2017, 02:42:01 PM
The list is getting shorter.... Ludewig ?
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: grobmotorix on August 29, 2017, 03:00:59 PM
Chassis and drive train: Alfa Romeo

Bodywork: by a German company
but not:

Ambi-Budd
Drews
Erdmann & Rossi
Gläser
Karmann
Ludewig
Reutter
Spohn
Weinberger
Wendler
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: mekubb on August 29, 2017, 05:38:14 PM
Is the coach builder still active under its original name ?
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: grobmotorix on August 29, 2017, 05:39:05 PM
Wikipedia says yes - only they are no coachbuilders any more...
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: mekubb on August 30, 2017, 05:20:09 AM
Weinsberg ?
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: grobmotorix on August 30, 2017, 12:19:03 PM
Chassis and drive train: Alfa Romeo

Bodywork: by a German company
but not:

Ambi-Budd
Drews
Erdmann & Rossi
Gläser
Karmann
Ludewig
Reutter
Spohn
Weinberger
Weinsberg
Wendler
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: mekubb on August 30, 2017, 01:32:18 PM
Drauz ?
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: grobmotorix on August 30, 2017, 01:45:41 PM
Chassis and drive train: Alfa Romeo

Bodywork: by a German company
but not:

Ambi-Budd
Drauz
Drews
Erdmann & Rossi
Gläser
Karmann
Ludewig
Reutter
Spohn
Weinberger
Weinsberg
Wendler
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: galrot on August 30, 2017, 06:12:14 PM
Is the company known to have produced more bodies than this one?
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: grobmotorix on August 30, 2017, 06:49:03 PM
You can be sure it is quite well known.

When I enter it in the AP search engine I get 13 results...
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: mekubb on August 31, 2017, 08:24:36 AM
Buhne ?
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: grobmotorix on August 31, 2017, 01:16:43 PM
Chassis and drive train: Alfa Romeo

Bodywork: by a German company
but not:

Ambi-Budd
Buhne
Drauz
Drews
Erdmann & Rossi
Gläser
Karmann
Ludewig
Reutter
Spohn
Weinberger
Weinsberg
Wendler
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: mekubb on August 31, 2017, 02:26:18 PM
Not Kellner I assume ? Although it is very weel known...
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: grobmotorix on August 31, 2017, 04:05:25 PM
Chassis and drive train: Alfa Romeo

Bodywork: by a German company
but not:

Ambi-Budd
Buhne
Drauz
Drews
Erdmann & Rossi
Gläser
Karmann
Kellner
Ludewig
Reutter
Spohn
Weinberger
Weinsberg
Wendler
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: mekubb on September 01, 2017, 04:57:08 AM
Hebmüller ?
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: grobmotorix on September 01, 2017, 11:24:49 AM
Chassis and drive train: Alfa Romeo

Bodywork: by a German company
but not:

Ambi-Budd
Buhne
Drauz
Drews
Erdmann & Rossi
Gläser
Hebmüller
Karmann
Kellner
Ludewig
Reutter
Spohn
Weinberger
Weinsberg
Wendler
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: mekubb on September 01, 2017, 02:21:01 PM
Who's left ? Baur ?
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: galrot on September 01, 2017, 03:53:17 PM
Ihle?
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: grobmotorix on September 01, 2017, 05:42:18 PM
Chassis and drive train: Alfa Romeo

Bodywork: by a German company
but not:

Ambi-Budd
Baur
Buhne
Drauz
Drews
Erdmann & Rossi
Gläser
Hebmüller
Ihle
Karmann
Kellner
Ludewig
Reutter
Spohn
Weinberger
Weinsberg
Wendler
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: galrot on September 01, 2017, 07:13:30 PM
Neuss?
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: mekubb on September 02, 2017, 03:32:46 AM
Pfff.... :(  Autenrieth ?
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: grobmotorix on September 02, 2017, 05:30:43 AM
Chassis and drive train: Alfa Romeo
I can´t believe this is not solved, yet... :o

Bodywork: by a German company
but not:

Ambi-Budd
Authenried
Baur
Buhne
Drauz
Drews
Erdmann & Rossi
Gläser
Hebmüller
Ihle
Karmann
Kellner
Ludewig
Neuss
Reutter
Spohn
Weinberger
Weinsberg
Wendler
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: galrot on September 02, 2017, 07:53:56 AM
Vetter?
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: mekubb on September 02, 2017, 08:03:36 AM
Kassböhrer ?
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: grobmotorix on September 02, 2017, 10:56:11 AM
Chassis and drive train: Alfa Romeo

Bodywork: by a German company
but not:

Ambi-Budd
Authenried
Baur
Buhne
Drauz
Drews
Erdmann & Rossi
Gläser
Hebmüller
Ihle
Kässbohrer
Karmann
Kellner
Ludewig
Neuss
Reutter
Spohn
Vetter
Weinberger
Weinsberg
Wendler
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: galrot on September 02, 2017, 11:32:35 AM
Papler?
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: mekubb on September 02, 2017, 01:05:23 PM
There are a couple of well-known ones left like Voll&Ruhrbeck but they don't exist anymore...... let's try Rometsch ?
Title: Re: grob 2017.07.19 (01) / Alfa Romeo with bodywork by?
Post by: grobmotorix on September 02, 2017, 02:02:55 PM
We finally have a winner.

Papler it is!

One point for galrot.

One more point is available to identify the chassis number of this one!
Title: Re: Alfa Romeo with bodywork by Papler - who knows the chassis number?
Post by: pnegyesi on September 16, 2017, 09:50:34 AM
If you don't move this to the Professionals, then that one elusive point may never be distributed :)
Title: Re: Alfa Romeo with bodywork by Papler - who knows the chassis number?
Post by: galrot on September 16, 2017, 12:42:41 PM
Do you have a unmodified picture of the car btw?  :)
Title: Re: Alfa Romeo with bodywork by Papler - who knows the chassis number?
Post by: mekubb on September 16, 2017, 01:08:18 PM
Is it a 8c2300 ?
Title: Re: Alfa Romeo with bodywork by Papler - who knows the chassis number?
Post by: grobmotorix on September 17, 2017, 05:27:05 AM
QuoteDo you have a unmodified picture of the car btw?

Yes :)

QuoteIs it a 8c2300 ?

I am not sure, but I think it is a smaller model.

QuoteIf you don't move this to the Professionals, then that one elusive point may never be distributed

Done.
Title: Re: Alfa Romeo with bodywork by Papler - who knows the chassis number?
Post by: pnegyesi on September 17, 2017, 05:36:41 AM
I had this car as a puzzle myself. You can see the article from Motor-Kritik and the explanation.
Now if you look on the web, you can find the P3 registry quite easily. In there they offer detailed history of every P3 except this one:  Alfa Romeo Tipo B (P3) s/n 50008

So, my guess is that this is the ex-Caracciola P3 s/n 50008

Just an educated guess :)
Title: Re: Alfa Romeo with bodywork by Papler - who knows the chassis number?
Post by: grobmotorix on September 17, 2017, 10:11:40 AM
Perfect!

Your point.

Thank you - now I am sure, as this is the same car at the same place:
Title: Re: Ex-Caracciola Alfa Romeo P3 with bodywork by Papler
Post by: mekubb on September 18, 2017, 05:09:21 AM
Interesting..... it is also said that s/n 50008 was used for one of the Bimotore Alfa's.
Title: Re: Ex-Caracciola Alfa Romeo P3 with bodywork by Papler
Post by: pnegyesi on September 18, 2017, 06:12:16 AM
Quote from: mekubb on September 18, 2017, 05:09:21 AM
Interesting..... it is also said that s/n 50008 was used for one of the Bimotore Alfa's.

It is possible. I am just saying that this is a P3 claimed to be ex-Caracciola and I did not see one such car in the registry
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