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Title: Monty161 - Solved: Giba Jacaré
Post by: el_monty on June 28, 2017, 05:25:11 AM
Fellow Autopuzzlers, for a point please identify this tiny roadster.

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Title: Re: Monty161
Post by: el_monty on July 14, 2017, 04:06:44 AM
Up to the Experts
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Post by: el_monty on July 31, 2017, 05:07:35 AM
Up to the Pros
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Post by: oko94 on July 31, 2017, 05:46:33 AM
Made in Europe ?
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Post by: el_monty on July 31, 2017, 09:53:52 AM
Yes
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Post by: oko94 on July 31, 2017, 10:07:05 AM
Made in a Mediterranean country ?
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Post by: el_monty on July 31, 2017, 10:07:56 AM
Yes
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Post by: oko94 on July 31, 2017, 10:09:25 AM
French ?
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Post by: el_monty on July 31, 2017, 10:21:25 AM
Not French
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Post by: oko94 on July 31, 2017, 10:24:55 AM
Spanish ?
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Post by: el_monty on July 31, 2017, 10:25:40 AM
Yes, it's Spanish
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Post by: oko94 on July 31, 2017, 10:45:55 AM
Electric ?
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Post by: el_monty on July 31, 2017, 10:54:15 AM
Apparently both ICE and electric versions were planned, though details on the latter are sketchy at best.
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Post by: oko94 on July 31, 2017, 01:29:01 PM
Was it unveiled after 2010 ?
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Post by: el_monty on July 31, 2017, 03:19:27 PM
The car was first unveiled as a prototype earlier than 2010. However, it spent some years in limbo and most of the articles about it that can be found online  are from after 2010, when it seemed that it was coming close to production.
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Post by: oko94 on July 31, 2017, 04:10:41 PM
Was it unveiled after 2005 ?
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Post by: el_monty on July 31, 2017, 04:19:01 PM
It was presented precisely on 2005
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Post by: oko94 on August 01, 2017, 02:05:01 AM
Is the ICE engine smaller than 1000 cc ?
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Post by: el_monty on August 01, 2017, 03:02:55 AM
Yes, smaller
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Post by: oko94 on August 01, 2017, 03:47:54 AM
Smaller than 500 cc ?
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Post by: el_monty on August 01, 2017, 04:31:08 AM
Probably. I haven't been able to find the actual size of the engine, but I know it was supposed to come from a motorcycle, and not a specially powerful one. At first, one engine supplier was announced, and later a different one, both motorcycle manufacturers.

EDIT: Found it. Smaller than 500 cc, though not by much
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Post by: oko94 on August 01, 2017, 04:47:47 AM
Was the puzzle photo shot at a car show in Spain ?
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Post by: el_monty on August 01, 2017, 04:53:17 AM
No. It comes from a presentation of the car to the press and to Spanish authorities, which took place in the factory that was supposed to produce it.
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Post by: oko94 on August 01, 2017, 07:48:08 AM
Was the factory located North of Madrid ?
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Post by: el_monty on August 01, 2017, 07:58:50 AM
There were three different places announced for the location of the factory, at different points in time. The first two were North of Madrid and the third one was South of Madrid. If I'm not mistaken, this photo was taken at the third location.
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Post by: oko94 on August 01, 2017, 08:27:15 AM
Was the third location in Andalusia ?
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Post by: el_monty on August 01, 2017, 08:28:11 AM
No
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Post by: oko94 on August 01, 2017, 08:38:38 AM
Was the third location in Castilla-La Mancha region ?
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Post by: el_monty on August 01, 2017, 10:00:39 AM
Yes
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Post by: oko94 on August 01, 2017, 10:05:12 AM
Was the third location in Toledo province ?
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Post by: el_monty on August 01, 2017, 10:09:11 AM
No
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Post by: oko94 on August 01, 2017, 10:10:18 AM
Was the third location in Ciudad Real province ?
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Post by: el_monty on August 01, 2017, 10:39:35 AM
No
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Post by: oko94 on August 01, 2017, 10:45:08 AM
Was the third location in Albacete province ?
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Post by: el_monty on August 01, 2017, 10:56:30 AM
Yes. But not in the town of Albacete.
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Post by: oko94 on August 01, 2017, 11:01:17 AM
Was the third location in a city that has more than 4000 inhabitants ?
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Post by: el_monty on August 01, 2017, 11:25:55 AM
Yes
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Post by: oko94 on August 01, 2017, 11:31:55 AM
Was the third location in a city that has more than 10.000 inhabitants ?
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Post by: oko94 on August 01, 2017, 11:37:55 AM
Giba Jacaré
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Post by: el_monty on August 02, 2017, 03:41:16 AM
You found it again! :applause:
The Jacaré was designed by Eddadesign, a studio from Barcelona, for Swiss company Giba Holdings, and presented at the 2005 EICMA (Milan motorcycle show). It was to be powered by a trial motorcycle engine supplied by Gas Gas, a small manufacturer from Gerona, North of Barcelona. When the recession hit the project was shelved for a few years, but then resurrected sometime around 2012. The plan was to build the cars at the old Derbi motorcycle factory in Martorelles, owned by Piaggio and now closed. At that point it was also announced that Piaggio would supply the engines instead. Negotiations for the factory fell through and later Giba announced that they had acquired a plant in Santa Oliva, Tarragona (very close to where I work). Giba requested grants from the Catalan government citing the employment they would create but the authorities refused, judging their business plan underdeveloped and non-viable, so Giba relocated once again, to the town of Almansa, Albacete, in the South of Spain. They were able to obtain some support there from the local government, and started a widely-publicized recruitment process (just before the local elections), but eventually it became clear that the car was not actually moving forward to production. The whole thing finally collapsed and Giba executives were deemed scammers who never had a solid entrepreneurial plan and were just trying to get government subsidies.
Title: Re: Monty161 - Solved: Giba Jacaré
Post by: oko94 on August 02, 2017, 08:50:15 AM
Thanks for my 777th point !