Solved NIC#692 - 1911 Cottin-Desgouttes 40hp by Ralph E Sanders

nicanary · October 19, 2016, 06:24:35 AM

Year make and model please.

nicanary · December 15, 2016, 08:33:14 AM

Experts?

nicanary · January 15, 2017, 06:07:45 AM

Pros?

ropat53 · January 15, 2017, 10:57:22 AM

American?

nicanary · January 15, 2017, 11:40:12 AM

Quote from: ropat53 on January 15, 2017, 10:57:22 AM
American?

No.

ropat53 · January 15, 2017, 12:07:05 PM

Mercedes with body made in UK?

nicanary · January 15, 2017, 04:09:12 PM

Quote from: ropat53 on January 15, 2017, 12:07:05 PM
Mercedes with body made in UK?

Not a Mercedes and probably not bodied in the UK.

ropat53 · January 15, 2017, 04:36:38 PM

FIAT?

nicanary · January 15, 2017, 04:37:43 PM

Quote from: ropat53 on January 15, 2017, 04:36:38 PM
FIAT?

No.

ropat53 · January 15, 2017, 04:57:18 PM

French?

nicanary · January 15, 2017, 05:05:18 PM

Quote from: ropat53 on January 15, 2017, 04:57:18 PM
French?

Yes!

ropat53 · January 15, 2017, 05:54:05 PM

1910 Gobron-Brillie 70-90 hp?

nicanary · January 16, 2017, 04:53:37 AM

Quote from: ropat53 on January 15, 2017, 05:54:05 PM
1910 Gobron-Brillie 70-90 hp?

Not that marque.

ropat53 · January 16, 2017, 06:29:06 AM

Berliet?

nicanary · January 16, 2017, 06:52:46 AM

Quote from: ropat53 on January 16, 2017, 06:29:06 AM
Berliet?

Not a Berliet.

ropat53 · January 16, 2017, 07:16:28 AM

Turcat-Méry 25 Hp.?

nicanary · January 16, 2017, 07:38:41 AM

Quote from: ropat53 on January 16, 2017, 07:16:28 AM
Turcat-Méry 25 Hp.?

No.

ropat53 · January 16, 2017, 03:37:30 PM

Found it and it does seem to have a British made body.
1911 Cottin-Desgouttes 40hp Tourer, with body by Ralph E. Sanders & Sons, Hitchin, Hertfortshire, UK

nicanary · January 16, 2017, 03:42:44 PM

Very well solved. My puzzle photo was obviously taken at the same time as yours, but I couldn't read the name of the coachbuilder on mine!

Sorry if I was a bit misleading, Another point to you.

ropat53 · January 16, 2017, 04:11:45 PM

Quote from: nicanary on January 16, 2017, 03:42:44 PM
Sorry if I was a bit misleading, Another point to you.

No problem, I was searching large chain drive French cars, but I was a bit surprised because that wall had to be in England.
Thanks for the point.

Allan L · January 16, 2017, 05:55:29 PM

I have a book about Ralph E. Sanders & Sons which includes a couple of photos of that car but didn't think to look at it - "Carriages to cars" by Stephen Bradford-Best. One is exactly the same view and location as the puzzle photo but with a man and a boy in the front seats who are identified as Roy and Bernard Sanders. The other photo is the second one here.

nicanary · January 16, 2017, 06:04:45 PM

Quote from: Allan L on January 16, 2017, 05:55:29 PM
I have a book about Ralph E. Sanders & Sons witch includes a couple of photos of that car but didn't think to look at it - "Carriages to cars" by Stephen Bradford-Best. One is exactly the same view and location as the puzzle photo but with a man and a boy in the front seats who are identified as Roy and Bernard Sanders. The other photo is the second one here.

They're mentioned in "that" book about coachbuilders, but only one paragraph which informs us that they bodied Morris Oxford tourers.

Allan L · January 16, 2017, 06:46:29 PM

Doesn't seem to be in Nick Walker's book at all.
Confusingly in the post-war era Ralph E Sanders, which was no longer a coachworks and just a car dealer and repairer, was about half a mile along the road from H.D. Saunders, another car dealer and repairer.

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Solved NIC#692 - 1911 Cottin-Desgouttes 40hp by Ralph E Sanders