We haven't had one of these threads in a while. The goal here is to see how long we can add to this thread without running out of cars. Here's how it works:
One person posts a car, listing its make, model, and (where possible) its further designation (such as a "GT" tag added to the name of the car, as with the MG MGB GT). The next poster will then add a car that includes one of those name components (either MG, B, or GT).
To make this a bit more challenging, there are three four additional provisos:
1. Two cars from the same brand cannot appear in sequence more than twice (i.e., we can't have three MG cars in a row).
2. If a trim or configuration designation is used as part of a car's name as posted, that designation must be displayed somewhere on the car's exterior.
3. Due to the proliferation of the "Deluxe" and "Custom" trim levels on American cars, especially in the post-war years, those two trim designations cannot be used to make a connection. The same goes for "special", "spider" (and "spyder"), and "GT"
4. Single-letter and single-digit names are off the table (as of the time this post is modified)
As an added incentive to not try to poison the well early with an impossible-to-match car, no points will be added in the first day (Today, Sunday, 15 January). 1 point will be available on Monday, 16 January, 2 points on Tuesday, 17 January, and so on – 1 more available point added each day thereafter. Once 2 days have passed with no new cars added, the last poster with a match (per the rules above) will take all the accumulated points on offer.
I'll start with an easy one:
Mustang Motorcar Company Mustang
If I understood, this fits well: Ford Mustang II Concept #3 1974
SEDAN Mustang prototype:
Seat 1400 Serra Sedan
Quote from: Oguerrerob on January 15, 2017, 06:31:12 AM
If I understood, this fits well: Ford Mustang II Concept #3 1974
Perfect
Serra Boulevard, 1973
Grantham Stardust by American Boulevard Cruisers
American Bantam Delivery Car
Blakely Bantam
Blakely Bernardi
Francesco Bernardi V8 Argentina
Nueva Argentina
Hispano-Argentina Criollo 6x6
FH Hispano F.4. 197 R furgoneta rubia
Frua Hispano-Aleman VW-Porsche 914 (AKA Vizcaya):
Chevrolet Camaro by Frua
Chevrolet Impala 1959:
Foulkes Impala
Foulkes 2+2
Talon GT 2+2
Eagle Talon TSI
Eagle SS
SS Jaguar
(http://isthat.info/uploads/ss/ss-jaguar/ss-jaguar-04.jpg)
Arkley SS
Arkley Midget
Quote from: Paul Jaray on January 16, 2017, 10:30:03 AM
Quote from: pguillem on January 16, 2017, 10:12:49 AM
Arkley Midget
That's the Midget-based SS. ;)
Well... How about the Arkley SC (Roger Jefferson's Supercharged Arkley ) ?
Hispano-Suiza V10 Supercharged
Hispano-Suiza HS21 GTS:
Amilcar Hispano Suiza.
Hispano-Aleman Scirroco
Kohlmus Scirocco
SP1 By Scirocco Powell Racing Cars
Powell Sport Wagon
Alfa Romeo 156 Sport Wagon
VW Dasher Diesel Wagon Brasil
;D
Fiat 500 Diesel (special edition, but not diesel powered!)
Steyr-Puch 500 DL
Iso Autocarro 500
Iso Rivolta IR 300
Chrysler 300 G
Chrysler ME Four Twelve:
Austin 12/4
(http://motorbase.s3.amazonaws.com/pictures/auctionlots/1893048919/850620432/fs_7525765-1-1.jpg)
Austin Victoria
1908-1909 Bailey Electric Victoria Phaeton
Bailey GT1
Nissan R390 GT1 Road Car
Quote from: Oguerrerob on January 16, 2017, 11:51:02 AM
Hispano-Suiza V10 Supercharged
Whoa - hold on. Is "Supercharged" part of the previous car's name?
OK - let's continue. Please remember the rules - we're using actual car names (not parenthetical explanations of car's configurations), as the matchable components.
Nissan 390 service car
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on January 17, 2017, 05:07:04 AM
Quote from: Oguerrerob on January 16, 2017, 11:51:02 AM
Hispano-Suiza V10 Supercharged
Whoa - hold on. Is "Supercharged" part of the previous car's name?
Arkley SC (Roger Jefferson's Supercharged Arkley )
I guess SC means SuperCharged
Nissan 300ZX Convertible Concept
Citroen ZX Coupe 16V
ZX Landmark
Ah - I was about to post the ZX Auto Grand Tiger: a bit easier to follow than 'Landmark'...!
Edit:
OK, here's the picture of it.
I'll have to read up the rules again!
Just go ahead! Two consecutive cars of the same maker are allowed.
Tiger GTA
Renault-Alpine GTA V6 Le Mans:
Quote from: Wendax on January 17, 2017, 06:55:08 AM
Just go ahead! Two consecutive cars of the same maker are allowed.
I see, but not three consecutive cars. I've edited my post.
Just to be clear Otto, is the idea to try to bring the thread to an end and garner all the points? Is that the only way to get points?
I've been trying to post names which
don't break the thread in order to keep it going but maybe that's not the idea?!
Pontiac Le Mans
Pontiac Phantom
Quote from: Carnut on January 17, 2017, 07:17:28 AM
Quote from: Wendax on January 17, 2017, 06:55:08 AM
Just go ahead! Two consecutive cars of the same maker are allowed.
I see, but not three consecutive cars. I've edited my post.
Just to be clear Otto, is the idea to try to bring the thread to an end and garner all the points? Is that the only way to get points?
I've been trying to post names which don't break the thread in order to keep it going but maybe that's not the idea?!
Same here...I had a couple of definitive names but I'd rather see it continuing...
We've had three Nissans in a row, isn't the chain broken ?
Quote from: oko94 on January 17, 2017, 08:16:27 AM
We've had three Nissans in a row, isn't the chain broken ?
Oops! my mistake. And 3 ZX in a row too
Phantom Corsair
Quote from: Oguerrerob on January 17, 2017, 08:38:01 AM
Quote from: oko94 on January 17, 2017, 08:16:27 AM
We've had three Nissans in a row, isn't the chain broken ?
Oops! my mistake. And 3 ZX in a row too
No, it's 3 consecutive posts of the same
brand that's not allowed; one of the ZX's was the model name, not the brand, which is OK.
Corsair Navigator
Lincoln Navigator
Lincoln Versailles
Simca Versailles
Simca 8 Spohn:
Audi S8...
Audi 80 GL
NSU Ro80...
Pretis NSU Prinz 1000
Toyota 1000 (known by other names in various markets, including Publica <Japan>, Osaka <Belgium>, and so on)
Simca 1000 Rallye 2
Fiat Rallye
Fiat 806
Peugeot 806...
Peugeot Touareg
ItalDesign - Giugiaro - Touareg
Isuzu 117 Coupe 'Giugiaro Edition'
Isuzu MX1600 II
Volkswagen 1600 TL
FIAT 1600 Sport Coupe
Ford Escort Sport
Ford Model T Centennial
Locomobile Model 4 Tourer
Hyundai Centennial
Throatwarbler Mangrove Raymond Luxury Yacht Centennial (photo to follow)
Quote from: sixtee5cuda on January 17, 2017, 03:54:41 PM
Throatwarbler Mangrove Raymond Luxury Yacht Centennial (photo to follow)
;D. Python rocks......
Daihatsu Ayla Luxury Concept
Message to OP - what do we do now? The latest photo is a follow-on from a joke posting.
IMHO best thing is to carry on, but maybe no more jokes (I did one myself, for which I apologise).
Daihatsu Midget II
Barrett Midget invalid carriage
Erad Midget
Quote from: sixtee5cuda on January 17, 2017, 03:54:41 PM
Throatwarbler Mangrove Raymond Luxury Yacht Centennial (photo to follow)
Have you been dreaming or drinking?! Or should I say having a nightmare?!
Erad Junior
Quote from: Carnut on January 17, 2017, 06:44:57 PM
Quote from: sixtee5cuda on January 17, 2017, 03:54:41 PM
Throatwarbler Mangrove Raymond Luxury Yacht Centennial (photo to follow)
Have you been dreaming or drinking?! Or should I say having a nightmare?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyQvjKqXA0Y ;D
Quote from: Wendax on January 18, 2017, 02:22:46 AM
Quote from: Carnut on January 17, 2017, 06:44:57 PM
Quote from: sixtee5cuda on January 17, 2017, 03:54:41 PM
Throatwarbler Mangrove Raymond Luxury Yacht Centennial (photo to follow)
Have you been dreaming or drinking?! Or should I say having a nightmare?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyQvjKqXA0Y ;D
!!!
Junior 16/20
Passy-Thellier 16/20 Landaulette 'Mandelssohn'
Quote from: Carnut on January 17, 2017, 07:17:28 AM
Quote from: Wendax on January 17, 2017, 06:55:08 AM
Just go ahead! Two consecutive cars of the same maker are allowed.
I see, but not three consecutive cars. I've edited my post.
Just to be clear Otto, is the idea to try to bring the thread to an end and garner all the points? Is that the only way to get points?
I've been trying to post names which don't break the thread in order to keep it going but maybe that's not the idea?!
The person who ends the thread takes the points. However, extending the thread makes the puzzle more lucrative.
Arista Passy
Arista Auteuil:
Unic Auteuil 1963
Unic Gazelle
Hillman Gazelle
Singer Gazelle - a proper one, not a mickey-mouse colonial one.
Singer Pirate Lorry
Oldsmobile Pirate:
Oldsmobile Firenza
Vauxhall Firenza
Vauxhall Senator
Opel Senator:
Opel Adam
Vauxhall Adam White :scratch:
Adam Racer USA
Daewoo Racer
Daewoo Scope (picture it in your mind)
General Electric Plastics Scope
Martin Plastics Ltd
Cabriolet Super Martin
Adler Super Trumpf
Super Two
Humber Super Snipe
Humber Hawk
Studebaker Golden Hawk...
Miller Golden Submarine
The Golden Eagle Thunderbowl Comet
Screaming Eagle by Jack Holt
Eagle E-type Speedster
Willys Aero Eagle
Aero 50 Dynamic
Morgan Aero 8
Morgan-Conrardy Grand Sport
Talbot-Lago T26 Grand Sport
Talbot Samba
Bogdan Wozowicz's Samba
Just kidding!
Seat 127 Pick-Up Samba by Emelba
Emelba Siete
Renault Siete
Teilhol Renault 6 Rodeo
Teilhol Citadine
Dacia Citadine
Dacia Nova
ADD Nova
Nova 512
Ferrari 512 BB Berlinetta Boxer
bb Porsche 928 Targa
VW-Porsche 914/6
Etnerap Porsche 356
Quote from: Oguerrerob on January 18, 2017, 02:26:46 PM
Dacia Citadine
That's not an actual car, it's only a 2012 rendering for a then-forthcoming Dacia city car that never saw the light of day.
Moskvich 356
Moskvich 412
Hotchkiss 412
Bristol 412
Warrior-Bristol
Guy Warrior
Guy Vixen Amsterdam
TVR Vixen
TVR S3
Audi S3
Audi Dresden
OD (Ostner Dresden) Rex L 205 Typenschild 800
Subaru Rex
Subaru Pleo
In fact, your picture shows a Subaru Pleo Nesta G.
Either the game is over, as Subaru can't be chosen and I don't think we will find another Pleo or Nesta, or we take the full name and I might continue with a Mercedes-Benz G 500 4x4².
Sbarro Monster G
Sbarro Biturbo
Quote from: Oguerrerob on January 18, 2017, 06:59:13 AM
Unic Auteuil 1963
This is a thread about cars - no more trucks, please.
Quote from: oko94 on January 18, 2017, 03:41:55 PM
Quote from: Oguerrerob on January 18, 2017, 02:26:46 PM
Dacia Citadine
That's not an actual car, it's only a 2012 rendering for a then-forthcoming Dacia city car that never saw the light of day.
Good catch!
As the points on offer increase, I will insist on greater rigor.
Alpina B10 Biturbo
Greppi Alpina
Greppi Safari
Citroen DS19 Safari
DS 6 WR
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on January 19, 2017, 04:06:04 AM
Quote from: Oguerrerob on January 18, 2017, 06:59:13 AM
Unic Auteuil 1963
This is a thread about cars - no more trucks, please.
I thought I'd brought it to an end with my Arista Auteuil...!
I would have revived it with a Renault 25 Auteuil limited edition ;)
DS Divine:
Does this count? A different brand of DS.
Stoewer V5
Maserati Tipo V5
Fiat Tipo 1.6 i.e. SX
Ogle SX
Microcar MC City SX
Ogle Avon Astra (photo attached, as are all my other posts now!)...
Astra Coupé Jay Everett
Everett-Morrison Generation IV
Quote from: Oguerrerob on January 19, 2017, 10:19:31 AM
Quote from: Wendax on January 19, 2017, 09:06:22 AM
Microcar MC City SX
What about this?
Sorry, I think my Ogle Astra post over-lapped with the Microcar post!
How about a Honda City Cabriolet to keep the MC City SX post going...
Motalli City Car TR7
Triumph TR7
Triumph Chicane
Quote from: Djetset on January 19, 2017, 11:41:57 AM
Triumph Chicane
The full name is Leyland Triumph Chicane, so I'll try Leyland Eight
Bentley Eight:
Chrysler Eight Airflow
Quote from: pguillem on January 19, 2017, 11:58:07 AM
Quote from: Djetset on January 19, 2017, 11:41:57 AM
Triumph Chicane
The full name is Leyland Triumph Chicane, so I'll try Leyland Eight
Sorry, but for the South African-built British Leyland cars, this is not true as the marque names were always used, unlike other local assembly BL markets such as Australia where the Leyland 'marque' prefix was used, so this model was a Triumph, not a Leyland Triumph. Also, in South Africa, the local manufacturer was called Leykor, not Leyland, to stress the point. This possibly now screws up the ongoing chain, but accuracy is important here... ;)
Chrysler Delta
Delaney Delta
Despite my earlier comment, if we are incorrectly continuing down this route, then I'll add the Glenfrome Delta...
Then the Glenfrome Facet
Quote from: Djetset on January 19, 2017, 01:06:15 PM
Despite my earlier comment, if we are incorrectly continuing down this route, then I'll add the Glenfrome Delta...
Personally I think we should go back to Triumph Chicane and ignore the last few posts, otherwise the chain has not been continuous; it's not my decision however but Otto's.
Quote from: Carnut on January 19, 2017, 01:34:45 PM
Quote from: Djetset on January 19, 2017, 01:06:15 PM
Despite my earlier comment, if we are incorrectly continuing down this route, then I'll add the Glenfrome Delta...
Personally I think we should go back to Triumph Chicane and ignore the last few posts, otherwise the chain has not been continuous; it's not my decision however but Otto's.
FWIW I agree with you. (Like yourself, there have been times when I thought this thread would come to an end, but never underestimate the knowledge of AP members!)
In case Otto decides to restart from Triumph Chicane, ( and to keep the game running), here's the Maserati Chicane by IED
(in case he is not, there's only a SAAB Facett in my index...)
Thanks PJ. I thought of the IED Maserati Chicane too, and Rolls-Royce also built a one-off Phantom Chicane Coupe in 2013. As for the Facet (with one 't') the only one I could think of was the Facet V1, which is a human-powered 'velocar' without an engine, so this doesn't really count I guess...
Quote from: Carnut on January 19, 2017, 01:34:45 PM
Quote from: Djetset on January 19, 2017, 01:06:15 PM
Despite my earlier comment, if we are incorrectly continuing down this route, then I'll add the Glenfrome Delta...
Personally I think we should go back to Triumph Chicane and ignore the last few posts, otherwise the chain has not been continuous; it's not my decision however but Otto's.
There seems to be a consensus. Consider it done
Quote from: Djetset on January 19, 2017, 03:27:18 PM
Thanks PJ. I thought of the IED Maserati Chicane too, and Rolls-Royce also built a one-off Phantom Chicane Coupe in 2013. As for the Facet (with one 't') the only one I could think of was the Facet V1, which is a human-powered 'velocar' without an engine, so this doesn't really count I guess...
Human powered cars are, indeed, beyond the scope of this puzzle.
Zagato Chicane
Aston Martin DB4GT Zagato Sanction II
Martin Aerodynamic
Martin glass-fibre kit car (1172 cc Ford side-valve engine) from 1953; made by Martin Plastics Ltd.:
I think we've already had that....(reply #125)
1969 Martin BM7
BM Foster
1901 Foster steam car
Don Foster Triboo 43
Lotus 43
Gulf Lotus X12 Dubai
Gurgel X12 (Oh, and thanks for sorting the chain hitch Otto...)
Gurgel (sic) BR-800
Seat 800
Quote from: nicanary on January 20, 2017, 04:55:41 AM
I think we've already had that....(reply #125)
So we have; sorry.
Seat Alhambra
Bargon Alhambra
Bargon Citroen CX Ambulance
Citroen Mehari
Mehari Loisirs E-Story Marina
(No this is not the third Citroën in a row, the brand name is indeed "Mehari Loisirs")
Quote from: oko94 on January 20, 2017, 09:55:00 AM
Mehari Loisirs E-Story Marina
(No this is not the third Citroën in a row, the brand name is indeed "Mehari Loisirs")
:)
Fiat 600 Marina Savio
Lola T 600
Commuter Cars Tango-T600-7
RTM Tango
Autech Nissan March Tango
Autech Gavia
Quote from: Carnut on January 20, 2017, 01:30:46 PM
Autech Gavia
Is Autech Zagato Gavia right ? Then I'd go for Autech Zagato Stelvio
Saba Stelvio
Riley 14-6 Stelvio
Riley Gamecock.
Is Riley Nine Gamecock, isn't it? Then Tim Nine's Amazing Chariot
Quote from: Oguerrerob on January 20, 2017, 02:51:57 PM
Is Riley Nine Gamecock, isn't it? Then Tim Nine's Amazing Chariot
Good swerve! I thought I had it won.
Mitsubishi Chariot
Colliday Chariot
Hell's Chariot from the film Grease.
Chris Hubbard's "Heaven and Hell Car"
Chris Craft motorhome
Car Craft Dream Rod
Aero Packard Flyer Dream Rod (lots of choice for new puzzles there........)
Quote from: pguillem on January 20, 2017, 02:04:20 PM
Quote from: Carnut on January 20, 2017, 01:30:46 PM
Autech Gavia
Is Autech Zagato Gavia right ? Then I'd go for Autech Zagato Stelvio
It was designed by Zagato, but was its official name Autech Zagato Gavia?
I'll have to check, unless anyone know for sure?
Quote from: Carnut on January 20, 2017, 05:34:03 PM
Quote from: pguillem on January 20, 2017, 02:04:20 PM
Quote from: Carnut on January 20, 2017, 01:30:46 PM
Autech Gavia
Is Autech Zagato Gavia right ? Then I'd go for Autech Zagato Stelvio
It was designed by Zagato, but was its official name Autech Zagato Gavia?
I'll have to check, unless anyone know for sure?
Here's a front view of it together with words from the site I got it from:
QUOTE
1993 Autech GaviaIn 1993 Autech and Zagato worked together on their second car known as the Autech Gavia. It was a tuned version of the Leopard with performance modifications by Autech and a new body from Zagato of Milan.
UNQUOTE
Maybe you're right, but just for the records, the Z (Zagato logo) in the front grille and in the hubcaps, (as the car ID).
There are reference pages where called it Zagato Aurtech Gavia, also Nissan Autech Zagato Gavia.
But it's not my call
Quote from: Oguerrerob on January 20, 2017, 06:05:31 PM
Maybe you're right, but just for the records, the Z (Zagato logo) in the front grille and in the hubcaps, (as the car ID).
There are reference pages where called it Zagato Aurtech Gavia, also Nissan Autech Zagato Gavia.
But it's not my call
Thanks
The Web is often not a reliable source of info, though it is my main source of course!
I did find one picture of the car with a Zagato badge on the rear, but it was described as the prototype whilst the badge was not there on the production cars..
1905 Thomas 40-horse Flyer
Jaguar Thomas Pickup UK
Quote from: nicanary on January 20, 2017, 04:02:29 PM
Hell's Chariot from the film Grease.
I should have nipped this in the bud earlier. Nicknames given to stock or customized cars used in TV shows and movies are now off the table.
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on January 21, 2017, 03:33:05 AM
Quote from: nicanary on January 20, 2017, 04:02:29 PM
Hell's Chariot from the film Grease.
I should have nipped this in the bud earlier. Nicknames given to stock or customized cars used in TV shows and movies are now off the table.
Acknowledged. Sorry Otto. (I was desperate!)
Jaguar XK120
Packard 120 Coupe
Packard Predictor
Quote from: pguillem on January 20, 2017, 02:04:20 PM
Quote from: Carnut on January 20, 2017, 01:30:46 PM
Autech Gavia
Is Autech Zagato Gavia right ? Then I'd go for Autech Zagato Stelvio
Foul!
If the car was badged as sold as aAutech Gavia, the appearance of the letter Z on the car does not allow for takcing on the coachbuilder/s name to the car, The appearance of the Z on this car doesn't change the name of the car, any more than the Pininfarina badge changes the name of a a Cadillac Allante
We'll continue from "Autech Gavia".
Sorry I missed it before
Whilst we're on the subject of fouls, much earlier I followed a "600" by posting a Lola T600, but I deliberately typed the model as T 600 in order to qualify. I feel ashamed :D. My Jaguar XK120 has been followed by a 120 which technically are not the same designation.
Where do we stand on this? I'm asking in a light-hearted manner by the way - I just don't want to see any heated arguments which are not in the spirit of AP.
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on January 21, 2017, 08:40:22 AM
Quote from: pguillem on January 20, 2017, 02:04:20 PM
Quote from: Carnut on January 20, 2017, 01:30:46 PM
Autech Gavia
Is Autech Zagato Gavia right ? Then I'd go for Autech Zagato Stelvio
Foul!
If the car was badged as sold as aAutech Gavia, the appearance of the letter Z on the car does not allow for takcing on the coachbuilder/s name to the car, The appearance of the Z on this car doesn't change the name of the car, any more than the Pininfarina badge changes the name of a a Cadillac Allante
We'll continue from "Autech Gavia".
Sorry I missed it before
So, it ended there?
Another foul, « Reply #91 on: January 17, 2017, 04:20:45 PM » Was skipped
Quote from: pguillem on January 17, 2017, 03:20:45 PM
Locomobile Model 4 Tourer
Quote from: ropat53 on January 21, 2017, 01:01:24 PM
Another foul, « Reply #91 on: January 17, 2017, 04:20:45 PM » Was skipped
Quote from: pguillem on January 17, 2017, 03:20:45 PM
Locomobile Model 4 Tourer
Good point. 1min 8secs between that and the next answer, so they probably crossed in the ether. Seems to be a drawback of the game.
I think we'd all better wait for the OP to adjudicate.
Quote from: ropat53 on January 21, 2017, 01:01:24 PM
Another foul, « Reply #91 on: January 17, 2017, 04:20:45 PM » Was skipped
Quote from: pguillem on January 17, 2017, 03:20:45 PM
Locomobile Model 4 Tourer
A typo. Model 48 indeed
In the meantime...
Autech C-Type
Auto Union C-type (bet you were expecting a Jaguar!)
Auto Union 1000 S (photo to follow!)
Globe-Union Maxima
Globe Hopper
Roles City Hopper
Quote from: Paul Jaray on January 22, 2017, 04:05:56 PM
In the meantime...
Autech C-Type
This would be the third Autech and only two are allowed.
..but it's a different maker: Autech Classic cars, Bromsgrove, West Midlands. Nothing to do with Autech Japan Inc., Kanagawa.
Roles XS-3 Roadstar
Opel Kadett City
Fiat City Taxi
Opel Rekord Taxi
Giugiaro Quaranta Taxi
Quote from: Paul Jaray on January 22, 2017, 05:19:42 PM
..but it's a different maker: Autech Classic cars, Bromsgrove, West Midlands. Nothing to do with Autech Japan Inc., Kanagawa.
Roles XS-3 Roadstar
Paul, you should edit your post and add a Roles XS-3 Roadstar picture so that it's easier to get noticed.
Excellence Roadstar
Quote from: Paul Jaray on January 23, 2017, 02:47:27 AM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on January 22, 2017, 05:19:42 PM
..but it's a different maker: Autech Classic cars, Bromsgrove, West Midlands. Nothing to do with Autech Japan Inc., Kanagawa.
Roles XS-3 Roadstar
Sorry, my fault for not noticing the new car (I was a bit confused I think as oko's Roles post was actually captioned "Roles XS3 Roadster" (note not "Roadstar"...))
We have correctly ignored posts #277 to #280 and carried on with the Exellence Roadstar.
Facel-Vega Excellence
Facel-Vega Facellia (the very rare For Sale Front Resize limited edition)
Vega 1600GT
Isuzu Bellett 1600GT
Isuzu Deseo
Hmmmmmm....... Hmmmmm......
Quote from: Paul Jaray on January 23, 2017, 03:38:02 PM
Quote from: Oguerrerob on January 23, 2017, 06:25:58 AM
Isuzu Deseo
Wasn't that Isuzu Deseo Concept ::)
I thought concepts were allowed. If we can carry on using the description "concept" then we can follow on as "convertible" or "coupe" or whatever. IMO that's a bit silly. Just my opinion.
PS Sorry Otto. Can you adjudicate?
Nobody else made a Deseo then?!
How about the '92 Ford Thunderbird Deseo V6?
I think it was one of quite a few special editions marketed in Mexico in the early 90s, but I wouldn't stake my life savings on it!
Ford Libre
Quote from: nicanary on January 21, 2017, 08:49:12 AM
Whilst we're on the subject of fouls, much earlier I followed a "600" by posting a Lola T600, but I deliberately typed the model as T 600 in order to qualify. I feel ashamed :D. My Jaguar XK120 has been followed by a 120 which technically are not the same designation.
Where do we stand on this? I'm asking in a light-hearted manner by the way - I just don't want to see any heated arguments which are not in the spirit of AP.
I fear this is becoming a bit of an administrative challenge. Let's agree on this:
For alphanumeric names, it is OK to detach the numerals from the letters and use either. However, should somebody be so inclined, lopping letters off of an all-letters name is not OK; nor is lopping digits from an all-numbers name.
Quote from: nicanary on January 21, 2017, 02:38:22 PM
Quote from: ropat53 on January 21, 2017, 01:01:24 PM
Another foul, « Reply #91 on: January 17, 2017, 04:20:45 PM » Was skipped
Quote from: pguillem on January 17, 2017, 03:20:45 PM
Locomobile Model 4 Tourer
Good point. 1min 8secs between that and the next answer, so they probably crossed in the ether. Seems to be a drawback of the game.
I think we'd all better wait for the OP to adjudicate.
We can go two ways with this:
1. Reset the puzzle at Locomobile Model 4 (or 48) Tourer.
2. Continue from the current state.
I'd lean toward the latter since I cannot be online 24/7 to police the puzzle.
I will defer to the wisdom of PJ, Norman, and Wendax (and any other Admins/editors who are active in this puzzle, and whom I may have missed).
Quote from: Carnut on January 23, 2017, 06:37:20 PM
How about the '92 Ford Thunderbird Deseo V6?
I think it was one of quite a few special editions marketed in Mexico in the early 90s, but I wouldn't stake my life savings on it!
If we're moving on from the Locomobile, then, going back to the rules posted at the beginning: Does "Deseo" appear anywhere on the car?
If not, we could re-set to Isuzu Deseo. However, that car was posted by the gent who earlier posted the 3rd Nissan in sequence without me catching it.
So, we'll instead re-set to Isuzu Bellett 1600GT (Reply #287), if the Locomobile question is settled as "move on".
I've found a couple of pictures of the "Ford Thunderbird Deseo" but can't read any badges at all, so I can't say if it was written on the car or not..
If we take the path of continuing despite the Locomobile error then the puzzle has effectively ended at Isuzu Deseo, unless it has to be written as Isluzu Deseo Concept, but that opens up a new can of worms as what concept car actually had "Concept" written on it?! Is "Concept Car" a name or a description? I wouldn't support allowing "Concept" as a name.
PersonallY I would take Otto's Option 1 and reset the puzzle at pguillem's Locomobile Model 48 Tourer and just ignore all the posts since then, as that maintains continuity and the integrity of the puzzle. It's easy to do, just carry on from that post.. But what do other Admins think?
Quote from: Carnut on January 24, 2017, 04:50:42 AM
I've found a couple of pictures of the "Ford Thunderbird Deseo" but can't read any badges at all, so I can't say if it was written on the car or not..
If we take the path of continuing despite the Locomobile error then the puzzle has effectively ended at Isuzu Deseo, unless it has to be written as Isluzu Deseo Concept, but that opens up a new can of worms as what concept car actually had "Concept" written on it?! Is "Concept Car" a name or a description? I wouldn't support allowing "Concept" as a name.
PersonallY I would take Otto's Option 1 and reset the puzzle at pguillem's Locomobile Model 48 Tourer and just ignore all the posts since then, as that maintains continuity and the integrity of the puzzle. It's easy to do, just carry on from that post.. But what do other Admins think?
I'm OK with that.
I'm ok with Locomobile too.
That leaves Allemano and Bill Murray. Do we have a quorum already?
Quote from: nicanary on January 24, 2017, 11:12:49 AM
That leaves Allemano and Bill Murray. Do we have a quorum already?
I would say we do although I would like to see Otto's agreement as the owner of the puzzle!
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That leaves Allemano and Bill Murray. Do we have a quorum already?
I would say we do although I would like to see Otto's agreement as the owner of the puzzle!
Sorry. For some reason I believed that the Locomobile was Otto's preferred option, but now I've re-read his comments I realise I was wrong. I agree entirely that the OP must be the final decision-maker. It's his puzzle.
Lordy, this all looks very confusing! I've been away from AP for a few days, and have now returned to find quite a bewildering situation.
If we're going back to the Locomobile Type 48 as the starting point, then can I continue with the Tucker 48...
OK - let's re-start here. Locomobile Type 48.
Following on from Djetset's Tucker 48, here's the BRM P48.
Buggy BRM M9
BRM Búfalo
Same make as previous post but different from British BRM of course.
I believe I can revert to the UK BRM again. BRM P261.
That means we get another bite at the BRM cherry then, so how about the Rover-BRM:
Rover Pilot
Pilot 6/30 PS
Honda Pilot
Honda S660
IKA Rambler 660 Classic
Ford Consul Classic
Ford Consul Cortina.
Consul Special
Quote from: Carnut on January 25, 2017, 07:28:48 AM
Consul Special
I was about to post that car, but it's actual name is the Barratt Special. However, in mitigation, it was often referred to as the Consul Special. When I say Barratt Special, that's what it's captioned as on the specialist website about cars from that country - how it got called the Rhodes Special on AP I haven't yet ascertained..........
Simca 1501 Special.
Simca Fulgur
Talbot Fulgur MF75
Talbot Samba
Samba by Bogdan Wozowicz
Volkswagen T2 Samba
Jamun T2 (I had a good Bogdan riposte but it's been wasted......)
Quote from: Djetset on January 25, 2017, 08:29:08 AM
Volkswagen T2 Samba
Samba was just a nickname, never an official one.
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Volkswagen T2 Samba
Samba was just a nickname, never an official one.
Samba was used in VW T2 brochures in the UK, along with Samba badging in the vehicles, but happy to concede to last Bogdan post if others not in agreement.
OK from me - I agree Samba was used in the UK.
Quote from: nicanary on January 25, 2017, 08:51:42 AM
OK from me - I agree Samba was used in the UK.
Thanks Nicanary, but sorry to have spoilt your Bogdan post.
Jamun M89
DKW F 89.
DKW Schnellaster
DKW F2 Roadster
Quote from: Oguerrerob on January 25, 2017, 10:39:52 AM
DKW F2 Roadster
Not sure we can have that; can only have 2 consecutive posts of the same marque but this would make 3
So we have to revert to oko's DKW Schnellaster.
That's going to be a difficult one!
10 of these vans were assembled and marketed in Finland under the brand-name Donau-Sisu; the question is, were they called Donau-Sisu Schnellaster or just Donau-Sisu? I can't quite get to the bottom of it! One survives but I haven't been able to find a picture of it to see if it wears the Schnellaster name..
If it is acceptable, then I give you the Donau Junior (I think we've had the DKW Junior....)
That's good! But who knows if my Donau-Sisu is OK or not?
If it was not acceptable I was going to post (which I still can if we can't move on to the Donau Junior...) that the DKW van was also assembled in Argentina, where I understand it was marketed as the Auto Union Schnellaster Combi..
So which is it to be? Have we moved on to the Donau Junior or do we follow the other path which would put us currently on the Auto Union?!
Quote from: Carnut on January 25, 2017, 11:45:16 AM
That's good! But who knows if my Donau-Sisu is OK or not?
If it was not acceptable I was going to post (which I still can if we can't move on to the Donau Junior...) that the DKW van was also assembled in Argentina, where I understand it was marketed as the Auto Union Schnellaster Combi..
So which is it to be? Have we moved on to the Donau Junior or do we follow the other path which would put us currently on the Auto Union?!
Otto??
I don't think the Sisu-Donau was really called Schnellaster, but how about its successor, the Spanish-built Auto Union-DKW Schnellaster?
Auto Speciale Veleno.
1961 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Sprint Speciale
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/18n49sfcedqujjpg.jpg)
Triumph Dolomite Sprint
Frisky Sprint
Frisky Sport
Ford Escort 1600 Sport
Citroen AX Sport
Renault AX
Renault Kadjar
IKA-Renault Torino.
I guess you meant the IKA-Renault Torino (otherwise it would have been the third Renault in a row):
Ford Anglia Torino S
Ford S-Max
I believe that we are allowed to ignore hyphens, so......Mercedes-Benz 38/250 Typ S
Puch Alpenwagen Typ VIII
Steyr-Puch 650 TR
Quote from: Djetset on January 25, 2017, 03:17:56 PM
Strut-Puch 650 TR
I take that as Steyr-Puch 650TR - keyboards have a habit of moving at inconvenient times.
Triumph TR250
Daimler SP250
Arola SP
Ferrari 246SP
Ferrari FZ93 Zagato
Bristol 406 Zagato
Peugeot 406 Coupe
Peugeot RCZ
Lion-Peugeot Type VA
Lion Sportwagen
Quote from: nicanary on January 25, 2017, 11:37:22 AM
If it is acceptable, then I give you the Donau Junior (I think we've had the DKW Junior....)
Good, let's continue from here.
Edit: it seems the consensus is otherwise. As the game has continued in civilized fashion, carry on
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on January 26, 2017, 03:49:02 AM
Quote from: nicanary on January 25, 2017, 11:37:22 AM
If it is acceptable, then I give you the Donau Junior (I think we've had the DKW Junior....)
Good, let's continue from here.
Edit: it seems the consensus is otherwise. As the game has continued in civilized fashion, carry on
Civilized indeed - it's not exactly Pis***Hea** on here, is it? ;)
Quote from: Oguerrerob on January 26, 2017, 01:01:21 AM
Lion Sportwagen
Sportwagen is a generic German term for Sportcars, I don't think it's the actual name of the car. The rear of the car has badges reading "V8" and something like "7CX".
It's also referred to as "Airconcept Lion", as it was actually built by Airconcept but there's no Airconcept badge on the car AFAIK.
I thought this might be related, but the builder is someone completely different. The Sea Lion.
Gerard Lion
Gerard, built by Automobiles Gerard of Clichy, Seine in 1927.
They built a light car using a 1.5 litre S.C.A.P. 4-cylinder side-valve engine but there don't seem to be any pictures available on-line or even in any books, nor can I trace a model name...
Gerard Tiger II, buiklt by the same company that built the Lion.
Tiger Storm
Lister Storm.
Dodge Zeder Storm Z-250
Nissan Z-250
Nissan Juke
Quote from: Oguerrerob on January 26, 2017, 07:39:51 AM
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Nissan Z-250
Z-250? Isn't that a 370Z?
it was tagged as Z-250
There are some pictures on the photo-sites captioned "250Z" but I'm not sure they're right (the captions on these sites are more often wrong than right...). Did Nissan market it as that anywhere? The pictures all actually show a 350Z or 370Z despite what the captions say...
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Nissan Z-250
Z-250? Isn't that a 370Z?
it was tagged as Z-250
There are some pictures on the photo-sites captioned "250Z" but I'm not sure they're right (the captions on these sites are more often wrong than right...). Did Nissan market it as that anywhere? The pictures all actually show a 350Z or 370Z despite what the captions say...
I did the same thing. I did wonder whether Nissan marketed a smaller-engined car for the home market as some sort of tax ploy. The government there encourages smaller vehicles.
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Nissan Z-250
Z-250? Isn't that a 370Z?
it was tagged as Z-250
There are some pictures on the photo-sites captioned "250Z" but I'm not sure they're right (the captions on these sites are more often wrong than right...). Did Nissan market it as that anywhere? The pictures all actually show a 350Z or 370Z despite what the captions say...
I did the same thing. I did wonder whether Nissan marketed a smaller-engined car for the home market as some sort of tax ploy. The government there encourages smaller vehicles.
Well, there is no Nissan Z-250. :bag:
Do we now go back to my Zeder Storm?
Quote from: nicanary on January 26, 2017, 08:28:56 AM
Do we now go back to my Zeder Storm?
Yes, we'll have to.
So I propose the next one:
Dodge Challenger
CCC Challenger Malibu
Chevrolet Chevelle Malibu
Chevrolet Corvette SS
Trac SS 100.
Austin Healey 100
Healey Duncan
Jensen-Healey (different company).
Jensen 541R
So assuming Jensen and Jensen-Healey are not exactly the same companies...
Jensen P66
DAF 66 Marathon.
Checker Marathon
Marathon Corsaire
1911 Marathon (I don't know the model designation so to help the game let's call it a 20hp)
If this Marathon's model designation is 20hp, then I will continue with the Renault 20.
Renault Jeepsy
Quote from: Oguerrerob on January 26, 2017, 12:34:59 PM
Renault Jeepsy
Was this car ever built? It doesn't appear on Google Images or on a full web search.
Anyway we can go on with the Alpine Renault berlinette 1600 SX:
Hommell Berlinette RS.
Hommell Cabster
Austin Mini Roadster Cabster
Max Roadster
Quote from: Oguerrerob on January 26, 2017, 01:11:04 PM
Austin Mini Roadster Cabster
Is that an official name? Who built it?
Assuming it's OK to carry on...
Saehan Max
Quote from: nicanary on January 26, 2017, 12:40:38 PM
Quote from: Oguerrerob on January 26, 2017, 12:34:59 PM
Renault Jeepsy
Was this car ever built? It doesn't appear on Google Images or on a full web search.
I don't think an actual car/prototype was ever built to the best of my knowledge, but happy to be proven otherwise...
Ford S-Max
Ford Kuga
Quote from: Carnut on January 26, 2017, 01:53:06 PM
Ford Ka
;D. I've been waiting to use Bongo Friendee...........Is this the end? Or do we go back because that Renault Jeep-thingy never existed?
Quote from: nicanary on January 26, 2017, 02:01:48 PM
Quote from: Carnut on January 26, 2017, 01:53:06 PM
Ford Ka
;D. I've been waiting to use Bongo Friendee...........Is this the end? Or do we go back because that Renault Jeep-thingy never existed?
Sorry - I've edited my post.
Same question maybe, though the ingenuity on AP never ceases to surprise me!
This is all I've found about the Renault Jeepsy; sorry it's a Google translation...:
QUOTE
A very original 4x4 project will be developed at the end of the 80s, the Jeepsy , a name very skilfully found because it evoked both the Jeep , which was still at the time in the lap of Renault, and the word "Gypsy", in other words gypsy, bohemian, who brought a perfume of adventure and mystery.
The abandonment of Jeep to the Americans after 1988 will be the death knell of this project which, according to the people involved, has come a long way in its elaboration. Nothing remains unfortunately of this beautiful adventure which could have placed the diamond in the vanguard of a market soon expanding and on which it will launch only late, since with the exception of Scénic RX4 and Of a few concept cars, it will take another 20 years for an original 4x4, the Koleos , to be presented by the brand.
UNQUOTE
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Quote from: Oguerrerob on January 26, 2017, 01:11:04 PM
Austin Mini Roadster Cabster
Is that an official name? Who built it?
I don't know who built it, but it's in The American Mini Registry
Quote from: Carnut on January 26, 2017, 02:11:23 PM
This is all I've found about the Renault Jeepsy; sorry it's a Google translation...:
According to another site, the Renault Jeepsy was made as a mockup in 1987.
A full-size picture of the so-called Jeepsy (only badged "4x4") is featured on the cover of and inside the book "Les lignes du losange" (I own a copy of it). It's obviously a clay mock-up with colored films pasted on it. There's no evidence that it was ever built as a proper car.
The picture posted by Oguerrerob is actually a fake ad made by a user of the Planete Renault forum, who has made many fake ads based on abandoned Renault projects.
However, are design mockups actually excluded from this game ?
I think we need another adjudication from the OP. Queries over the Jeepsy and the Cabster Mini - do we go back and start again or has Carnut's Kuga sealed it?
I think we should even go back to the Marathon Corsaire, as nicanary's Marathon "20 HP" is a made-up name, so it breaks the chain.
Quote from: nicanary on January 26, 2017, 04:20:33 PM
I think we need another adjudication from the OP. Queries over the Jeepsy and the Cabster Mini - do we go back and start again or has Carnut's Kuga sealed it?
We've had a number of concept cars already, and I assume many of them were not fully realized vehicles. So, if the Jeepsy model existed (I think we'd all like to see another view), it can stand.
And what of the Mini? Is this a nickname given by the owner? I don't think that fits rule #2:
2. If a trim or configuration designation is used as part of a car's name as posted, that designation must be displayed somewhere on the car's exterior.
An owner's vanity plate is not part of the car as built, is it?
We'll go back to Wendax's post: "Hommell Cabster"
And what about the Marathon "20 hp" which might not be a 20 hp (reply #399) ?
Quote from: oko94 on January 27, 2017, 12:37:07 AM
I think we should even go back to the Marathon Corsaire, as nicanary's Marathon "20 HP" is a made-up name, so it breaks the chain.
I was just looking at that. There was a "Marathon K-20" by the same manufacturer, but hat's not what he posted.
So, we're back to "Marathon Corsaire"
Marathon C-300
Proton 300 Series
Proton Wira
Proton Design Tatui
France Design Heuliez Stars and Stripes.
Heuliez Raffica
Citroen BX Buffalo Break by Heuliez (as badged)
Buffalo 4X4
PPG 4x4 Sport Concept
Ferrari Mondial T PPG Pace Car
Ferrari LaFerrari
Abarth 695 Ferrari Edition.
Abarth Pininfarina 030
Pininfarina Volumex Spider
Lancia Trevi Volumex
Lancia D50
Saab-Lancia 600 GLE
Fierro 600
Rover 600
BRM P160
Quote from: nicanary on January 27, 2017, 01:13:48 PM
BRM P160
Sorry nicanary - I'd already posted the Rover-BRM earlier so I've had to delete it, which means we're still at the Rover 600.
In that case I'll propose the Lloyd LP 600
Lexus LS 600 hL
Lexus SC430
Horch 430
BMW 430i Gran Coupé
I.A.M.E. Institec Gran Sport
IAME Justicialista
Justicialista Graciela
Quote from: Carnut on January 27, 2017, 02:21:05 PM
Justicialista Graciela
I have double-checked that - well saved "carnut"! I hadn't known that about the marque's history.
Quote from: pguillem on January 27, 2017, 02:15:22 PM
I.A.M.E. Institec Gran Sport
Quote from: nicanary on January 27, 2017, 02:19:07 PM
IAME Justicialista
Wait a minute - I thought I.A.M.E. was the name of the company, but the brand was Institec, right ? Therefore were these cars badged IAME Institec, or only Institec ?
These ads seem to confirm that the cars were marketed as Institec (even though IAME was always mentioned as the company behind it).
The Beaulieu Encyclopedia has them under "J" for Justicialista. Personally I've always thought of them as IAME, although I now know that they were re-marketed as Justicialista under later arrangements.
In 1962, IAME Institec Justicialista Graciela Coupe changed and become DINFIA GW (Graciela Wartburg) Sedan
Quote from: Oguerrerob on January 27, 2017, 04:23:28 PM
In 1962, IAME Institec Justicialista Graciela Coupe changed and become DINFIA GW (Graciela Wartburg) Sedan
So, in that case, the Wartburg Knight to continue the process.
The Knight from 1895. Have I wrecked this puzzle?
Is it badged as Knight? Only joking!! The puzzle is not wrecked yet :)
Brinton White Knight (photo to follow).
Jensen White Lady
Jensen C-V8
Holden Monaro CV8
Holden Barina
Blanchard Holden
Holden.
Made in Texas in 1915.
EH Holden Limousine
Just a question - the Blanchard Holden is a sports-racing car powered by a Holden engine. Is the "Holden" part of the name in the rules of the puzzle? Otherwise we could just reel out an endless series of XXX-Ford racing and sports cars. Or Cosworth, or Climax, or whatever.
Maybe I'm wrong here, in which case I apologise to the poster.
(I can't believe what's happened to me as a person since I joined AP :( ! Miserable old b"gger.........)
Looks like we need a break from the Holdens, so...
EH-Line EC 01 Life.
Life 190
Mercedes-Benz 190 E
Mrercedes-Benz Unimog U5000
1914 Benz 18/45
Benz Velocipede (from 1894)
(I'll have to check if that was its actual name..!)
Edit: Yes, apparently that was its original name before it became the Velo.
Mercedes-Benz C111
Mercedes-Benz W125
FSO 125p
Sorry Djetset - I actually removed my Fiat post before you posted yours..
My intention was to replace it with the BET 125 but my computer took an absolute age to connect, as it always does
when you are in a particular hurry...:
I'm assuming Carnut posted a Fiat 125, hence the Albea of Djetset.
Presumably we now continue from the BET 125.
Quote from: Carnut on January 28, 2017, 05:51:02 AM
Sorry Djetset - I actually removed my Fiat post before you posted yours..
My intention was to replace it with the BET 125 but my computer took an absolute age to connect, as it always does
when you are in a particular hurry...:
No problem Carnut. I will delete the Fiat Albea and continue with a Teilhol 125 T (photo to follow).
Thanks for your understanding..
I'll continue with the Teilhol Citacom
Renault Rodeo Teilhol
Renault Kadjar
Quote from: Oguerrerob on January 28, 2017, 07:17:16 AM
Renault Rodeo Teilhol
That should be a Renault 5 Rodeo (Teilhol) to give it its correct name.
Quote from: Carnut on January 28, 2017, 07:45:23 AM
Renault Kadjar
Don't know if this matters but we've already had the Renault Kadjar in post #350.
Quote from: Djetset on January 28, 2017, 08:23:10 AM
Quote from: Carnut on January 28, 2017, 07:45:23 AM
Renault Kadjar
Don't know if this matters but we've already had the Renault Kadjar in post #350.
Yes, it was one of mine. Does this mean we've got a spare "Renault" to choose from? In which case - Renault Captur.
Fasa-Renault R8 S
Fasa-Renault 4CV
AMC Renault Alliance.
Oh, and keeping my pedant anorak on, sorry Nicanary, but the FASA-Renaułt 4CV doesn't strictly exist as it was called (and badged) as 4/4 in Spain, but thus doesn't alter the puzzle chain, so...
Renault Twizy
Alpine-Renault GTA...
GTA Spano
Andino GTA
Andino Varela R
I was about to post exactly that picture but as a Varela Renault Dauphine Coupé!
Instead I'll post:
Varela Berlinetta (or Berlineta?)
Baldelli Berlinetta XZ007 Change it because I don't know if were built
Panhard MM Berlinetta
Panhard Dyna
CD Panhard Coach
Roach Coach
Quote from: Oguerrerob on January 28, 2017, 10:50:49 AM
Roach Coach
Wow, that's given me a migraine!
DB HBR5 Coach
Aston Martin DB MkIII
Martin Scootmobile
Martin Tilbury
Martin Fierro-Valiant
Chrysler Valiant (Australian).
Chrysler PT Cruiser
Studebaker Land Cruiser
Anheuser-Busch Budweiser II Land Cruiser
Toyota Land Cruiser Amazon.
Toyota IQ
FAW-Toyota Ranz Concept
FAW Sirius S80
Lotec Sirius
Lotec C1000
Simca 1000
Simca Aronde
Matra-Simca Bagheera
Matra 530
Steyr 530
Steyr-Puch Haflinger
Steyr Puch U1
ARS U1
Gemballa MIG-U1
Gemballa Avalanche
Chevrolet Avalanche
Chevrolet Citation X-11
Edsel Citation
Edsel Roundup
Cerame 50th Anniversary Edsel Citation
Ford Mustang 50th Anniversary Edition
Saab 9000 CSE Anniversary Edition
Saab Sonett
Rayton Fissore Saab Viking
Viking I
Peel Viking Minisport
Peel P50
Trabant P50
Trabant P70 Coupé
Quote from: pguillem on January 28, 2017, 06:03:34 PM
Trabant P70 Coupé
I hate to spoil the party, but officially there's no such thing as a Trabant P70 Coupe to the best of my knowledge, as this car is an AWZ P70 Zwickau Coupe (later Sachsenring), which pre-dated the more famous Trabant, and was badged as AWZ and VEB. The puzzle should therefore revert back to the Trabant P50 and continue from there IMHO, if Otto/admin agree (?). Sorry, but..!
AWZ Trabant 601 Speedster
Quote from: Oguerrerob on January 29, 2017, 01:37:18 AM
AWZ Trabant 601 Speedster
:yuck: AWZ isn't part of the name, and the Speedster is a private conversion. But if this Trabant follows the rules, I' ll carry on with a small-series production car:
Nordstadt Golf Speedster
Nordstadt Sciwago
Artz Sciwago (directly related to the Nordstadt model, but branded as Artz).
Shouldn't we wait for Otto's decision before going on ?
Quote from: oko94 on January 29, 2017, 05:35:27 AM
Shouldn't we wait for Otto's decision before going on ?
It doesn't seem to have stopped us in the past. In case we're allowed to continue - the Artz Cordett.
Quote from: oko94 on January 29, 2017, 05:35:27 AM
Shouldn't we wait for Otto's decision before going on ?
If we dismiss post #536 then post #538 continues from #535.
Quote from: Djetset on January 29, 2017, 06:41:10 AM
Quote from: oko94 on January 29, 2017, 05:35:27 AM
Shouldn't we wait for Otto's decision before going on ?
If we dismiss post #536 then post #538 continues from #535.
That's right.
BTW - when are you going to post all of those "to follow" pics? ;)
Quote from: Djetset on January 29, 2017, 06:41:10 AM
If we dismiss post #536 then post #538 continues from #535.
Indeed !
The Artz Cordett has a GSI badge on its grille (it even had an Opel logo earlier on), so let's go on with an Opel Manta GSI.
Quote from: oko94 on January 29, 2017, 06:53:40 AM
Quote from: Djetset on January 29, 2017, 06:41:10 AM
If we dismiss post #536 then post #538 continues from #535.
Indeed !
The Artz Cordett has a GSI badge on its grille (it even had an Opel logo earlier on), so let's go on with an Opel Manta GSI.
I thought we were using only the official names of the make and model. I think that GSi badge has been added by the owner, but I could as usual be wrong.
Bizzarrini Manta
Bizzarrini P538
BTW - when are you going to post all of those "to follow" pics? ;)
[/quote] I'm currently far from home and my PC, so using only my iPhone, which I still don't know how to save images on (just in case any fellow puzzlers do know?). I will upload all of the missing photos when I get home tomorrow. Anyway, to continue..,
1992 Bizzarrini-Ferrari BZ2001 Prototipo (photo now here, but may not add the others if the chain sequence is now null and void).
Quote from: oko94 on January 29, 2017, 06:53:40 AM
The Artz Cordett has a GSI badge on its grille (it even had an Opel logo earlier on), so let's go on with an Opel Manta GSI.
But it was never called Artz Opel Cordett or Artz Cordett GSi. :(
In the meantime:
Adams Probe 2001
Quote from: Wendax on January 29, 2017, 09:35:30 AM
Quote from: oko94 on January 29, 2017, 06:53:40 AM
The Artz Cordett has a GSI badge on its grille (it even had an Opel logo earlier on), so let's go on with an Opel Manta GSI.
But it was never called Artz Opel Cordett or Artz Cordett GSi. :(
Which is also my line of thinking. Too late now.......
Quote from: nicanary on January 29, 2017, 10:26:40 AM
Quote from: Wendax on January 29, 2017, 09:35:30 AM
Quote from: oko94 on January 29, 2017, 06:53:40 AM
The Artz Cordett has a GSI badge on its grille (it even had an Opel logo earlier on), so let's go on with an Opel Manta GSI.
But it was never called Artz Opel Cordett or Artz Cordett GSi. :(
Which is also my line of thinking. Too late now.......
I tend to agree with Wendax, as neither Astra nor GSi were mentioned in the post, so maybe we should rewind and start again from #541 as other Artz matches can be found, if others agree.
Quote from: Djetset on January 29, 2017, 10:43:52 AM
Quote from: nicanary on January 29, 2017, 10:26:40 AM
Quote from: Wendax on January 29, 2017, 09:35:30 AM
Quote from: oko94 on January 29, 2017, 06:53:40 AM
The Artz Cordett has a GSI badge on its grille (it even had an Opel logo earlier on), so let's go on with an Opel Manta GSI.
But it was never called Artz Opel Cordett or Artz Cordett GSi. :(
Which is also my line of thinking. Too late now.......
I tend to agree with Wendax, as neither Astra nor GSi were mentioned in the post, so maybe we should rewind and start again from #541 as other Artz matches can be found, if others agree.
The problem being that my Artz Cordett was the second "Artz", We now need to find another Cordett or a variation on the Artz name.
So how about a second Artz. There are a few to choose from, but I can't post one as I posted the first Artz...
Quote from: Djetset on January 28, 2017, 09:05:33 PM
Quote from: pguillem on January 28, 2017, 06:03:34 PM
Trabant P70 Coupé
I hate to spoil the party, but officially there's no such thing as a Trabant P70 Coupe to the best of my knowledge, as this car is an AWZ P70 Zwickau Coupe (later Sachsenring), which pre-dated the more famous Trabant, and was badged as AWZ and VEB. The puzzle should therefore revert back to the Trabant P50 and continue from there IMHO, if Otto/admin agree (?). Sorry, but..!
Sorry for not double-checking this one... :bag:
Quote from: Djetset on January 29, 2017, 11:31:17 AM
So how about a second Artz. There are a few to choose from, but I can't post one as I posted the first Artz...
Who says you can't?!
I agree with going back to #541 so just need Otto's final nod..
I think this is one of the most fun and cheerful post. But somehow it has become stressful, because you never know who's gonna complaint your post.
I checked all the thread and almost everyone has posted at least one car with possible complaints, like designer, origin, nicknames or whatever nominations not related to official name of the car and linked to the next one.
I invite you the revisit it. :o
Artz Golf Speedster
Opel Speedster.
Opel RAK2
Buick Verano
Porsche-Buick by Bill Masterson
Quote from: Oguerrerob on January 29, 2017, 01:13:13 PM
I think this is one of the most fun and cheerful post. But somehow it has become stressful, because you never know who's gonna complaint your post.
I checked all the thread and almost everyone has posted at least one car with possible complaints, like designer, origin, nicknames or whatever nominations not related to official name of the car and linked to the next one.
I invite you the revisit it. :o
This puzzle is both fun and frustrating because the aim of the game is (1) to try to close a chain and (2) to prevent others from doing that. I have the feeling that it is going to its end, as many combinations have been tried.
Porsche 597 Jagdwagen
Quote from: Djetset on January 29, 2017, 10:43:52 AM
Quote from: nicanary on January 29, 2017, 10:26:40 AM
Quote from: Wendax on January 29, 2017, 09:35:30 AM
Quote from: oko94 on January 29, 2017, 06:53:40 AM
The Artz Cordett has a GSI badge on its grille (it even had an Opel logo earlier on), so let's go on with an Opel Manta GSI.
But it was never called Artz Opel Cordett or Artz Cordett GSi. :(
Which is also my line of thinking. Too late now.......
I tend to agree with Wendax, as neither Astra nor GSi were mentioned in the post, so maybe we should rewind and start again from #541 as other Artz matches can be found, if others agree.
As it is written, so shall it be done
Wartburg 353 Jagdwagen
Correct name is Wartburg 400 Jagdwagen. ;)
Quote from: Wendax on January 30, 2017, 05:07:54 AM
Correct name is Wartburg 400 Jagdwagen. ;)
OK, thanks. I found both but there seemed to more pictures captioned 353!
I'll change it then to Wartburg 400 Jagdwagen.
As Otto said we should go back to post #541 so the last handful of posts aren't valid anymore anyway.
Sorry for having caused such a controversy with my dubious attempt at answering to nicanary's clever Artz Cordett post.
Quote from: oko94 on January 30, 2017, 05:30:23 AM
As Otto said we should go back to post #541 so the last handful of posts aren't valid anymore anyway.
Sorry for having caused such a controversy with my dubious attempt at answering to nicanary's clever Artz Cordett post.
I think we all agree that this puzzle is both very entertaining and very frustrating. Otto has allowed us quite a bit of leeway with some of the so-called connections. Personally I don't like the idea of ignoring hyphens in a car's title , but I'm in the minority so will go along with the flow. Then we have the problem of deciding whether a car built under licence in another country has its own brand identity even if that brand's name doesn't appear on the badging - surely the name of an overseas "holding company" isn't the marque name?
If we all continue to take liberties this thread could go on for weeks more. So I'll continue to treat it as a bit of fun - you lot can get as serious as you want.
Quote from: oko94 on January 30, 2017, 05:30:23 AM
As Otto said we should go back to post #541 so the last handful of posts aren't valid anymore anyway.
Sorry for having caused such a controversy with my dubious attempt at answering to nicanary's clever Artz Cordett post.
We already did that..
We went back to #541 Djetset's Artz Sciwago which was then, after ignoring lots of other posts, followed by PJ's #560 the Artz Golf Speedster, followed by the Opel Speedster and so on.
So the posts since then are all valid and we are currently on the
Wartburg 400 Jagdwagen, waiting for the next one in line!
Actually nicanary, I quite like the idea of a car known in one country as one thing but then having a completely different name in another country. If a car was marketed somewhere with a different name then I think that's a fully valid post!
Wendax Aero WS 400 :)
Wendax WS750
Quote from: Carnut on January 30, 2017, 06:16:30 AM
Quote from: oko94 on January 30, 2017, 05:30:23 AM
As Otto said we should go back to post #541 so the last handful of posts aren't valid anymore anyway.
Sorry for having caused such a controversy with my dubious attempt at answering to nicanary's clever Artz Cordett post.
We already did that..
We went back to #541 Djetset's Artz Sciwago which was then, after ignoring lots of other posts, followed by PJ's #560 the Artz Golf Speedster, followed by the Opel Speedster and so on.
So the posts since then are all valid and we are currently on the Wartburg 400 Jagdwagen, waiting for the next one in line!
Actually nicanary, I quite like the idea of a car known in one country as one thing but then having a completely different name in another country. If a car was marketed somewhere with a different name then I think that's a fully valid post!
I was thinking along the lines of a FASA-Renault or similar. Although FASA are the licenced manufacturers, were the cars actually marketed and badged as that? I thought (and could be wrong) that they still carried only Renault badges.
Almquist Sabre 750
Almquist El Morocco
Chevrolet El Camino
;D The connection being the word for "the" ;D
Chevrolet Trax
Tempo Trax Gurkha
Tempo Trax Cruiser
Interstate Trax Ranch Cruiser Executive 410 Automatic, no less
Mega Ranch
Puma Ranch
Puma 248
I'll continue with a Ford Puma Racing.
Ford Streetka
De Bonde Ford Special
Buick Special
Buick Roadmaster
1934 McLaughlin-Buick Series 50 Model 57
Maybach 57 S
Bugatti Type 57
Bugatti Veyron 18.4
Huber Bugatti M37
Tony Huber 12hp
Renault 12 TS
Rover 12
Land Rover 110 County.
Wolseley 6/110 (PS I've just spotted those awful Rostyle wheels on it!)
Zis 110 prototype
Zis 101A Sport
Range Rover Sport
Rover CityRover.
Austin Metro City (I was generously gifted one of these as my very first company car - my employers were Yorkshiremen - it didn't even have a rear parcel shelf.)
Geo Metro.
Geo Prizm
Chevrolet Prizm !
Chevrolet Biscayne
Bessia Biscayne Roadster
Smart Roadster Coupe.
Smart ForTwo
CEstar Smart
Cestar Sunset
Sunset Fly
Ford Fiesta XR2 Fly
Ford Comete.
Texier Comete
Ulysse Texier La Comète amphibie
Fiat Ulysse.
Fiat Balilla ( ducks head for the obvious response......)
Polski-Fiat 508 Balilia.
Quote from: Djetset on January 31, 2017, 01:32:05 PM
Polski-Fiat 508 Balilia.
I was expecting someone to object to me leaving out the "508" part.....
Polski-Fiat 518
BMW 518i
BMW i8
BMW Gina
Gina
Bucci Shabble 0011 Pursuer
Quote from: Paul Jaray on January 31, 2017, 03:04:48 PM
Bucci Shabble 0011 Pursuer
Was the Gina really called Bucci Gina or just Gina?
It was presented by Giovanni Bucci at the Chicago Auto Show.
(I put the BMW Gina on purpose: I was hoping to have the Bucci Gina as the following one ;) )
There are at least 2 more BUCCI, out there....
BMW answers #628 and #629 were consecutive "same marque". The BMW Gina should be ignored?
Quote from: nicanary on January 31, 2017, 03:43:28 PM
BMW answers #628 and #629 were consecutive "same marque". The BMW Gina should be ignored?
You are right...
back to BMW I8, then.
Mitsubishi I (if we can split the name I 8 )
Quote from: Paul Jaray on January 31, 2017, 04:03:23 PM
Quote from: nicanary on January 31, 2017, 03:43:28 PM
BMW answers #628 and #629 were consecutive "same marque". The BMW Gina should be ignored?
You are right...
back to BMW I8, then.
Mitsubishi I (if we can split the name I 8 )
;D.
Mitsubishi Debonair
EB (Staffs) Ltd Debonair
Bugatti EB 110
Quote from: nicanary on January 31, 2017, 01:45:37 PM
Quote from: Djetset on January 31, 2017, 01:32:05 PM
Polski-Fiat 508 Balilia.
I was expecting someone to object to me leaving out the "508" part.....
I was going to mention it, but... ???
Bugatti 101 Gangloff
Yue Loong Feeling 101
Yue Loong YLN801
Fiat 801 Corsa
Quote from: Paul Jaray on January 31, 2017, 04:03:23 PM
Quote from: nicanary on January 31, 2017, 03:43:28 PM
BMW answers #628 and #629 were consecutive "same marque". The BMW Gina should be ignored?
You are right...
back to BMW I8, then.
Mitsubishi I (if we can split the name I 8 )
Well-policed.
Fiat 509A
Fiat Abarth 850 TC
Is that 3 Fiats in a row so not allowed under the rules? Or is "Fiat Abarth" regarded as a separate marque? (I don't think they were ever called Abarth Fiat..)
Anycase I'll post the Lombardi Fiat 850 Lucciola, which can follow either the last Fiat (Abarth) or the one before it..
Quote from: Carnut on February 01, 2017, 05:24:38 AM
Is that 3 Fiats in a row so not allowed under the rules? Or is "Fiat Abarth" regarded as a separate marque? (I don't think they were ever called Abarth Fiat..)
Abarth is acknowledged as a stand-alone marque to the best of my knowledge, but usually badged as Fiat Abarth. :)
Lombardi Grand Prix
Pontiac Grand Prix (I was about to post an alternative Lucciola but I was too slow. You have to be very alert on this thread!)
Quote from: Djetset on February 01, 2017, 05:26:24 AM
Quote from: Carnut on February 01, 2017, 05:24:38 AM
Is that 3 Fiats in a row so not allowed under the rules? Or is "Fiat Abarth" regarded as a separate marque? (I don't think they were ever called Abarth Fiat..)
Abarth is acknowledged as a stand-alone marque to the best of my knowledge, but usually badged as Fiat Abarth. :)
I have to agree with Djetset - he's taken less of a liberty than many other posts so far. Fiat Abarth have always IMHO been considered a stand-alone marque, and are usually in car directories as separate.
Pontiac Parisienne
Quote from: nicanary on February 01, 2017, 05:34:31 AM
I have to agree with Djetset - he's taken less of a liberty than many other posts so far. Fiat Abarth have always IMHO been considered a stand-alone marque, and are usually in car directories as separate.
Yes, I agree. I think I would have written "Fiat-Abarth" to make it clear!
Renault 4 Parisienne
Car SystemStyle JP4
Car System JP5 :D
Quote from: Carnut on February 01, 2017, 05:51:05 AM
Quote from: nicanary on February 01, 2017, 05:34:31 AM
I have to agree with Djetset - he's taken less of a liberty than many other posts so far. Fiat Abarth have always IMHO been considered a stand-alone marque, and are usually in car directories as separate.
Yes, I agree. I think I would have written "Fiat-Abarth" to make it clear!
I was going to include the hyphen ( - ) but I thought one of the more pedantic AP members might protest that there was no hypen in the 850 TC photo I posted!
Quote from: Djetset on February 01, 2017, 06:00:34 AM
Quote from: Carnut on February 01, 2017, 05:51:05 AM
Quote from: nicanary on February 01, 2017, 05:34:31 AM
I have to agree with Djetset - he's taken less of a liberty than many other posts so far. Fiat Abarth have always IMHO been considered a stand-alone marque, and are usually in car directories as separate.
Yes, I agree. I think I would have written "Fiat-Abarth" to make it clear!
I was going to include the hyphen ( - ) but I thought one of the more pedantic AP members might protest that there was no hypen in the 850 TC photo I posted!
This thread is getting like that Monty Python sketch where the army officer adjudicated over the skits and stopped them, declaring "this sketch is getting very silly". If we all keep circumnavigating in the present manner the thread could go on for months. I've lost track of the number of time I've located and saved a picture only to find someone else had posted in the meantime. (I had a cracker for Renault, but no doubt someone else would have come up with an Alpine or IKA.)
PS Pedants will claim that it should be Car Systeme with a grave accent over the first "e", but then grave should be spelt with a circumflex, so even this post of mine is not accurate. :)
Ha Ha, by the time I've worked out how to type a grave accent on my keyboard, six more chain links will have been posted! Anyway...
Mazda 5.
Actually in their own brochures it was usually written as "Car Systeme Style" without any accent.
Hence the two last posts should be "Car Systeme Style JP4" and "Car Systeme Style JP5".
That was me being pedantic.
Quote from: nicanary on February 01, 2017, 06:10:05 AM
PS Pedants will claim that it should be Car Systeme with a grave accent over the first "e", but then grave should be spelt with a circumflex, so even this post of mine is not accurate. :)
I'm thinking about changing the fixed comment at the bottom of each of my posts to "Insufferable pedant and proud of it"!
Mazda Kazamai
March 722 Mazda CanAm (the Marzda) - have I gone too far??
March Scar
Nissan March
Nissan Sylphy
Quote from: Carnut on February 01, 2017, 07:19:13 AM
I'm thinking about changing the fixed comment at the bottom of each of my posts to "Insufferable pedant and proud of it"!
You'll be Which Tyler in another life, then!
Quote from: Allan L on February 01, 2017, 09:22:40 AM
Quote from: Carnut on February 01, 2017, 07:19:13 AM
I'm thinking about changing the fixed comment at the bottom of each of my posts to "Insufferable pedant and proud of it"!
You'll be Which Tyler in another life, then!
You mean I'm revolting as well?!
Quote from: Carnut on February 01, 2017, 11:37:56 AM
Quote from: Allan L on February 01, 2017, 09:22:40 AM
Quote from: Carnut on February 01, 2017, 07:19:13 AM
I'm thinking about changing the fixed comment at the bottom of each of my posts to "Insufferable pedant and proud of it"!
You'll be Which Tyler in another life, then!
You mean I'm revolting as well?!
Leader of the Pedants' Revolt, indeed.
Prince Nissan Skyline (during Nissan's early acquisition of the Prince Motor Company, the Skyline models wore both Prince and Nissan badging).
Prince Skyway
Studebaker Skyway Champion
Champion Ch-2
Supercars Limited Hulme.F1 Champion
I was about to post the Champion Lepoix so I may as well carry on...
Lepoix Ding.
Lepoix Shopi
Universal Lepoix Mikrovan
Quote from: Carnut on February 02, 2017, 05:05:30 AM
Universal Lepoix Mikrovan
Well saved.......
Universal Jeep
Jeep CJ8
Bentley Eight (or does it have to be "8"?)
Bentley Bentayga
Johnard Bentley Donington.
AC Donington (Thanks AllCarIndex!):
AC Greyhound.
AC Sportcar.
Not the same AC, this one is from Portugal. And note that it's Sportcar, not Sportscar.
AC Invacar Model 70 (back to the British AC again as we moved away from them).
Invacar Mk 12
Jaguar Mk 2 (or occasionally also badged Mk II)
Jaguar XF
In previous posts we've split up the letters of cars' names, so maybe this one is acceptable. Panhard Dyna X.
If the 'X" is acceptable, then I will throw in the Vauxhall Mokka X...
Quote from: Djetset on February 02, 2017, 11:22:44 AM
If the 'X" is acceptable, then I will throw in the Vauxhall Mokka X...
Well, I think extracting one letter from 'XF' is a bit dubious really.. On that basis you could carry on from Jaguar with MG, as there is a 'G' in Jaguar!
But assuming we'll carry on let's have the Vauxhall Adam
I have to agree with you. If we start splitting names up into individual letters then this thread could be almost never-ending. Without nominating actual posts, I think the thread has contained numerous examples of members taking a bit of a chance. I don't know how Otto feels about this, but I'm quite happy for my Panhard to be ignored as not in the spirit of the puzzle, in which case we all go back to the Jaguar XF.
Yes, I do think that's best! Sorry!
So I propose the Lister-Jaguar:
Quote from: Carnut on February 02, 2017, 12:05:16 PM
Yes, I do think that's best! Sorry!
So I propose the Lister-Jaguar:
That seems fair enough, so I'll continue with the Lister Bell STR...
Porsche 962 Derek Bell Signature Edition
Porsche FLA
I do not want to spoil the fun here.
There has been dozens of times where I could try seriously to end this game but felt like it was not good.
The idea of giving a point for each day seems a bit crazy now (18 points to this date)...I could let go but I saw other players are starting to play to win too.
I have a suggestion here: what if we reduce the prize in order to make the conflict between sheer fun and an incredible amount of points more easy?
(BTW, there are at least 2 way to keep it going...)
Dauer 962 M14 Le Mans
Or another idea: the puzzler who finds the final car wins 1 point and can post an alternative car to keep it going...in this case, assuming that after Porsche FLA no-one can continue, I will go back to "Porsche 962 Derek Bell Signature Edition" and post, let's say, a Porsche 911T. In this case, each one of us can try to end it, but we can also keep it going.
Just an idea.
It's a good idea to have a general agreement on this, although it's Otto's puzzle and he should always have the final decision. I had intended to stop posting, but I can't help myself. I can't believe my life has come to this........
Here we go again... Devin Porsche Speedster
I'd prefer a point limitation as well. I think there is no sense in giving 30 or more points to one lucky chap who was able to find the lethal combination. The idea of restarting it might work, but let's hear what Otto thinks about it.
Meanwhile: Devin D
Oldsmobile Model D
Oldsmobile F-85
I feel that this puzzle is going a little bit crazy. I couldn't imagine that splitting Cityrover in two was possible, and I think that if we can use single letters as in Oldsmobile Model D, the game will never end. Maybe just stop it ?
We can also move it in another section and keep playing with no points.
Meanwhile:
9ff TRC-85
Ferrari 500TRC
In its current format I'm not convinced this game actually has an end...
Quote from: pguillem on February 02, 2017, 02:46:40 PM
I feel that this puzzle is going a little bit crazy. I couldn't imagine that splitting Cityrover in two was possible, and I think that if we can use single letters as in Oldsmobile Model D, the game will never end. Maybe just stop it ?
CityRover isn't split in two as the correct official name of this car was the Rover (make) CityRover (model). It was an awful name (and car) but that's what poor old cash-starved Rover chose to call this tragic rebranded Tata Indica!
As for this fascinating and frustrating puzzle, it is about to spread to its 30th page, so mayge it should stop there, or be moved 'just for fun' elsewhere as PJ had suggested.
I'm almost loathed to continue here now, but this chain is addictive, so I will add the Ferrari 500 Superfast...
Quote from: Carnut on February 02, 2017, 11:25:13 AM
Quote from: Djetset on February 02, 2017, 11:22:44 AM
If the 'X" is acceptable, then I will throw in the Vauxhall Mokka X...
Well, I think extracting one letter from 'XF' is a bit dubious really.. On that basis you could carry on from Jaguar with MG, as there is a 'G' in Jaguar!
Agreed - no more of this (stripping a digit or letter from another name).
To make this a bit more challenging, two tweaks (also added to the fist page):
- Single-letter and single-digit names are now off the table.
- The names "special", "spider" (and "spyder"), and "GT" are now off the table (à la "deluxe" and "custom")
Maico 500 Sport
Quote from: pguillem on February 02, 2017, 02:46:40 PM
I feel that this puzzle is going a little bit crazy. I couldn't imagine that splitting Cityrover in two was possible, and I think that if we can use single letters as in Oldsmobile Model D, the game will never end. Maybe just stop it ?
I was responsible for that one, and I hang my head in shame. Just prior to my post, we had had 650TR followed by TR250 followed by SP250 (another one of mine). IMHO the model name is 650TR and cannot be split. Having said that, using my pedantry the game would have been over after just a few posts. I have vowed to cease playing the game on several occasions, but I keep coming back like an addict.
Sorry for my part in spoiling it for people. Now I'm at the giddy heights of editor I should try harder to set an example. As several members have opined, the way the game is being played could result in it continuing ad infinitum.
Quote from: nicanary on February 03, 2017, 04:10:46 AM
Sorry for my part in spoiling it for people. Now I'm at the giddy heights of editor I should try harder to set an example.
Nonsense - 'tis but a game.
Fiat 500 Giardiniera
Moretti 500 Giardiniera
Moretti 750 Gran Sport
Siata 208 Coupé Gran Sport
Maserati Gran Sport
Maserati Ghibli
I was just about to post the V8R1 - I reckon that's a winner.
PS the photo had been deleted - I have no idea why it was posted......Please continue from Maserati Ghibli.
Cegga Maserati
Chrysler TC by Masearti
Chrysler Saratoga
PS the reason for my error in failing to delete the Maserati V8R1 photo is possibly because I just deposited a hot cup of coffee over my lap and sofa. I'm thinking of sueing somebody - apparently it works in your favour if it happens in a retail establishment, even if it's your own fault. I shall sue the mug manufacturer, methinks. It hasn't done the silk fabric of my Louis XIV chaise longue much good. Jeez I'm p*ssed off.
Saratoga Twinax 4WD
Asia Rocsta 4WD
Asia Motors Towner
Local Motors Strati
Otto, the chain ended with the Porsche FLA.
I asked for your opinion at that point and now we should either end it there or continue it there, imho.
I suggest to proceed with Porsche 911T waiting for you to decide if award the points and stop or award the point and change path...unless anyone finds another link today.
Quote from: Paul Jaray on February 03, 2017, 10:37:38 AM
Otto, the chain ended with the Porsche FLA.
I asked for your opinion at that point and now we should either end it there or continue it there, imho.
I suggest to proceed with Porsche 911T waiting for you to decide if award the points and stop or award the point and change path...unless anyone finds another link today.
. ???! Am I the only one that's confused here, as Nicanary continued the Chain after the Porsche FLA with the Devin Porsche Speedster, and it has continued on from there. Sorry if I missed something here, but...?
The Porsche FLA in my reply #700 was the 2nd Porsche in a row. My replies 701 and 703 were just some questions for Otto...
Quote from: Paul Jaray on February 03, 2017, 12:12:12 PM
The Porsche FLA in my reply #700 was the 2nd Porsche in a row. My replies 701 and 703 were just some questions for Otto...
OK, thanks PJ, but the rules were unbroken in this case as Nicanarys's Devin Porsche post was not a third Porsche in a row ???
Quote from: Paul Jaray on February 02, 2017, 01:38:32 PM
Or another idea: the puzzler who finds the final car wins 1 point and can post an alternative car to keep it going...in this case, assuming that after Porsche FLA no-one can continue, I will go back to "Porsche 962 Derek Bell Signature Edition" and post, let's say, a Porsche 911T. In this case, each one of us can try to end it, but we can also keep it going.
Just an idea.
I'm sorry I didn't see you had declared the puzzle closed. If all are in agreement, I'll give the points to PJ, and hang it up for good.
Otto, could you please explain to us, why Paul Jaray should get the points? Maybe I missed a hidden rule or something else? ???
Quote from: Paul Jaray on February 03, 2017, 10:37:38 AM
Otto, the chain ended with the Porsche FLA.
Is this correct?
No, this isn't correct. As I've mentioned previously, the Chain was continued when Nicanary posted the Devin Porsche in response to PJ's Porsche FLA, that car being only the second Porsche in a row, as per the rules. If anyone can declare the puzzle closed, I'm sure any of us could have done this along time ago...
So, assuming the Chain is still growing, I'll submit the W Motors Lykan, in response to the last car posted, the Local Motors Strati.
I agree, Djetset. However, PJ seemed adamant in restating his assertion.
Can we get a consensus to keep the puzzle going?
I'd like to see the puzzle going on, but IMHO there should be a point limit (2 or 5 or...?)
Quote from: Wendax on February 04, 2017, 06:47:29 AM
I'd like to see the puzzle going on, but IMHO there should be a point limit (2 or 5 or...?)
I don't think it would be right to tell the folks who have been toiling at this for so long that the points they thought they could win are no longer there.
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on February 04, 2017, 06:42:58 AM
I agree, Djetset. However, PJ seemed adamant in restating his assertion.
Can we get a consensus to keep the puzzle going?
Thanks Otto. All is would add is that PJ continued with the puzzle after his declared 'winner' #700 Porsche FLA when he posted #710 9ff TRC-85, so he must have thought the Chain was continuing at this stage, otherwise why bother continuing?!
I have to feel sorry for Otto - this is a puzzle which seems to make up its own rules as it goes along!
I posted the Devin Porsche because there had been a precedent on the thread. IMO the Porsche part of the name is neither make nor model, just the motive power for that car. It's like saying Ssanyong Mercedes-Benz Rodius. The M-B part is superfluous. Since we had already accepted in previous posts that engines were part of a car's title, I used the Devin to get a continuation because we had 2 Porsche cars in succession.
I don't mind what happens next. Points allocation does not matter to me. When all is said and done, it's Otto's puzzle and he can adjudicate as he thinks suitable. I have to admit that the concept of this puzzle has resulted in an AP's version of Rumpelstiltskin's beard.
i think we need PJ's re-newed opinion here.
Throughout the puzzle it was accepted that after 2 posts of the same marque it was OK to include that marque's name as part of the next post when it was not the main marque (several times after a Ford **** was posted twice there was then a ****-Ford after which we could continue with another Ford *** twice again and so on; that's why I said there was effectively no end to this puzzle).
I don't see anything different on this occasion: 2 Porsches then a Devin-Porsche. Hence I don't understand why the puzzle ended at Porsche FLA?
I am sorry...I have limited time to play and each time it's hard to catch up.
I was obviously wrong, it seems.
I thought 'Porsche' was out as a Maker but many times we accepted engines as part of a car's name...but that was not the point.
The chain was not over because I knew there were other possibilities, both in 'Porsche' than in 'FLA'.
Quote
(BTW, there are at least 2 way to keep it going...)
I was waiting for a reply for the suggestion of a limit in the points we can get (and now I know Otto's decision) and in the meantime I suggested a couple of different way to proceed
Otto's puzzle.
My Porsche 911T was just an example, waiting for Otto's reply, and when I saw the Devin Porsche I thought we were all keep playing following the 911T, waiting for Otto's decision.
Truth was that the game was not suspended after my posts (as I imagined) but was continuing.
Otto's replies #714 and 715, gave me the idea he missed my posts and that's why I had to post my reply #733:
QuoteOtto, the chain ended with the Porsche FLA.
(...) ...unless anyone finds another link today.
because I was still thinking we were all playing and waiting to revert to that FLA.
Thanks PJ - understood!
So we're at W Motors Lykan now...
Yummy Motors XCTR
....in the end, this change very little: I just wanted to know if I have to play to win or play to make the fun continue...because the points are really too many and I felt it was not sporty considering that many of us are just playing for fun.
My suggestions were all in that direction: if I found a chain stopper, I'll get a (limited) reward and then I can change that link to keep playing.
But this is Otto's puzzle and it's been quite a success the way it is: 30 pages and a lot of heat! :thumbsup:
AD Motors Change
AD Tramontana
AD Magnum
EDIT: probably it was called only AD AD400.
Dodge Magnum - just seen the edit, maybe this post should be ignored.
Dodge Zeo
Quote from: Paul Jaray on February 04, 2017, 08:02:54 AM
AD Magnum
EDIT: probably it was called only AD AD400.
Think it became the Daytona Classics Magnum when it entered production; don't know if it was ever called AD Magnum...
Quote from: Carnut on February 04, 2017, 08:47:40 AM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on February 04, 2017, 08:02:54 AM
AD Magnum
EDIT: probably it was called only AD AD400.
Think it became the Daytona Classics Magnum when it entered production; don't know if it was ever called AD Magnum...
Strictly speaking then we should go back to the AD 400, the project before it was taken over by Daytona Classics and renamed Magnum.
If we agree on that I'll nominate the Ferrari 400.
I agree.
Vespa 400
Vespa Ape Calessino
Vespa 8HP (different Vespa - not built by Piaggio, as two previous posts - based in Modena, 1913-1916.
Baille-Lemaire 8hp
(the car was behind the crowd, inside the building, probably ;D )
Standard 8hp
Standard Gazel
Adler Standard 6
Adler Primus
Kayser Primus (c.1901).
Primus Diesel P14 Zugmaschine 1937
Quote from: nicanary on February 04, 2017, 07:05:07 AM
I have to feel sorry for Otto - this is a puzzle which seems to make up its own rules as it goes along!
I can only blame myself. I wanted to keep the rules relatively simple but was blind to the interpretations that simplicity precipitated.
Palten Diesel
Palten-Diesel Kleinbus
Oldsmobile Delta 88 Diesel
Lotus 88
Lotus Eclat
Isuzu BigHorn Handling by Lotus.
Isuzu Aska
Chevrolet Aska
BTW does the "handling by Lotus" count? I think it might have carried a badge to that effect, but was it part of the model name? I was going to respond with the Piazza which also carried that badge IIRC. Just being pedantic......
Chevrolet Borrego
Kia Borrego.
Kia Soul'ster
Quote from: nicanary on February 05, 2017, 08:38:59 AM
Chevrolet Aska
BTW does the "handling by Lotus" count? I think it might have carried a badge to that effect, but was it part of the model name? I was going to respond with the Piazza which also carried that badge IIRC. Just being pedantic......
It was part of the loooong model name, but happy to change if that helps? An alternative would be the Talbot Sunbeam Lotus, but I think the Isuzu can stand as it was badged and marketed extensively under that full name, if you agree?
Quote from: Djetset on February 05, 2017, 08:45:53 AM
Quote from: nicanary on February 05, 2017, 08:38:59 AM
Chevrolet Aska
BTW does the "handling by Lotus" count? I think it might have carried a badge to that effect, but was it part of the model name? I was going to respond with the Piazza which also carried that badge IIRC. Just being pedantic......
It was part of the loooong model name, but happy to change if that helps? An alternative would be the Talbot Sunbeam Lotus, but I think the Isuzu stands as it was badged and marketed extensively under that full name.
I accept and defer to your knowledge. Ain't this fun?
Kia C'eed
Kia Optima.
Eagle Optima
Eagle G-Car
AMC Eagle.
Eagle-Weslake
Kissel Model 8-95 White Eagle Speedster
Callaway C-16 Speedster
Callaway Sledgehammer
Alfa Romeo Callaway Twin Turbo GTV-6
Praga Alfa
Praga R1R
As those are two different Praga companies, I return to the first one:
Praga Mignon
In that case we can have the Praga Piccolo
Esoro Piccolo.
Esoro Omekron
Rinspeed EMS09 Engineered by Esoro
Rinspeed sQuba
Fiat Abarth 500 E2 Concept by Rinspeed
Quote from: Carnut on February 06, 2017, 05:34:15 AM
Rinspeed EMS09 Engineered by Esoro
This is the 2009 Rinspeed iChange. It's not called "EMS09 Engineered by Esoro", even though it was indeed engineered by Esoro. Rinspeed concepts always have the list of all companies involved written on their body, but that doesn't mean it's part of their name.
Confusing.
It's what it was described as on several sites.
Alternatively there's this one, which is described as 'Rinspeed Esoro ZeroEmission' on various sites, though it looks like Wendax's sQuba to me...
My source is Rinspeed's official site, I reckon they know how their own cars are called !
So shall we go back to Esoro Omekron ?
Quote from: oko94 on February 07, 2017, 03:29:38 AM
So shall we go back to Esoro Omekron ?
No.
Per the rules, "Engineered by Esoro" is indeed written upon the car's exterior surface.
I thought the rule was meant to be understood as "every part of the name has to be written on the car", which is not the same as "everything that is written on the car is part of the name".
On the Rinspeed iChange, all these words are written :
Eberspacher
111
M Division
Siemens
AEZ
Carl F. Bucherer
Strahle + Hess
Schoeller
Motorex
Harman International
Greenedge
Sharp
Xmobil
Pirelli
KGS
Engineered by Esoro.
Does it mean that any of these words is valid for the name chain ? Doesn't make sense to me.
Quote from: Carnut on February 06, 2017, 06:52:37 AM
Fiat Abarth 500 E2 Concept by Rinspeed
Fiat, Abarth, E2 and Concept are not written on the car's body. The car's name is only Rinspeed E2, which makes it the third Rinspeed in a row.
Quote from: oko94 on February 07, 2017, 04:46:24 AM
Quote from: Carnut on February 06, 2017, 06:52:37 AM
Fiat Abarth 500 E2 Concept by Rinspeed
Fiat, Abarth, E2 and Concept are not written on the car's body. The car's name is only Rinspeed E2, which makes it the third Rinspeed in a row.
Hmmm..
Rinspeed mainly modify cars; they are not (with exceptions!) manufacturers in their own right.
This E2 is based on a Fiat Abarth 500 and not sure Fiat would be too pleased if Rinspeed claim it's not and they made it..
However, I'll leave it up to Otto. I did look fully into this and on some sites it's called a Rinspeed E2 concept but on others a Fiat Abarth 500 E2 Concept by Rinspeed. I don't think I changed the caption of the photo, which also included Fiat Abarth. I can guarantee it will say Fiat on the car somewhere, even if only stamped on the bodywork rather than as part of the trim. This is a Fiat and was originallly built by them!
I've just thought to myself - what would Denis Jenkinson have made of all this?
When is a Lotus a Lotus? When is it a John Player Special?
It's only a game, and it's Otto's game. No doubt about it - he has the final decision.
Quote from: oko94 on February 07, 2017, 04:42:49 AM
I thought the rule was meant to be understood as "every part of the name has to be written on the car", which is not the same as "everything that is written on the car is part of the name".
The rule says this:
"If a trim or configuration designation is used as part of a car's name as posted, that designation must be displayed somewhere on the car's exterior."
The interpretation that every part of a car's name (including the manufacturer) must appear on the car, is your interpretation - and not the rule, as written.
If sour grapes and nitpicking are to become the norm here, I will remind the pickers that participation in this puzzle is optional. If the prevailing wind of the puzzle become contentious or confrontational, I will end the puzzle, and divvy the points as I see fit.
Gentleman, I return you to the game.
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on February 07, 2017, 06:27:59 AM
Quote from: oko94 on February 07, 2017, 04:42:49 AM
I thought the rule was meant to be understood as "every part of the name has to be written on the car", which is not the same as "everything that is written on the car is part of the name".
The rule says this:
"If a trim or configuration designation is used as part of a car's name as posted, that designation must be displayed somewhere on the car's exterior."
The interpretation that every part of a car's name (including the manufacturer) must appear on the car, is your interpretation - and not the rule, as written.
If sour grapes and nitpicking are to become the norm here, I will remind the pickers that participation in this puzzle is optional. If the prevailing wind of the puzzle become contentious or confrontational, I will end the puzzle, and divvy the points as I see fit.
Gentleman, I return you to the game.
:thumbsup:
My main point wasn't addressed by your answer Otto but let's move on.
EVE E2.
Pininfarina CNR E2
Pininfarina Spidereuropa
Abarth 030 Pininfarina
Autobianchi A112 Abarth 70 HP
Autobianchi Stellina
I've found lots of advertisements for an Abarth Autobianchi A112, mostly For Sale in France.
Was it actually marketed in France as an Abarth, and later as an Abarth Lancia A112?
If it was I can post it!
It has always been marketed as Autobianchi A112 Abarth in France, never as Abarth Autobianchi or Abarth Lancia. Even the Y10 was sold as an Autobianchi in France during the eighties.
Quote from: oko94 on February 07, 2017, 04:43:30 PM
It has always been marketed as Autobianchi A112 Abarth in France, never as Abarth Autobianchi or Abarth Lancia. Even the Y10 was sold as an Autobianchi in France during the eighties.
Yes, and I've only just noticed it's exactly the same car posted by Ehhxekt...
OTAS Autobianchi A112 KL:
Quote from: Carnut on February 08, 2017, 04:53:30 AM
Quote from: oko94 on February 07, 2017, 04:43:30 PM
It has always been marketed as Autobianchi A112 Abarth in France, never as Abarth Autobianchi or Abarth Lancia. Even the Y10 was sold as an Autobianchi in France during the eighties.
Yes, and I've only just noticed it's exactly the same car posted by Ehhxekt...
That's what old age does.......... ;D
Quote from: Carnut on February 08, 2017, 05:09:23 AM
OTAS Autobianchi A112 KL:
I hate to do that, because that's what makes this puzzle problematic, but was Autobianchi part of the name?
Quote from: Wendax on February 08, 2017, 06:41:27 AM
Quote from: Carnut on February 08, 2017, 05:09:23 AM
OTAS Autobianchi A112 KL:
I hate to do that, because that's what makes this puzzle problematic, but was Autobianchi part of the name?
I thought so:
http://www.coachbuild.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=12340
But who knows? It actually had an Autobianchi badge on the bonnet:
Well, let's carry on with the OTAS Crazy-Car:
Attex Crazy Colt 252
MG Crazy 1971 by Serra
MG PB
Vauxhall Cresta PB
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Vauxhall_Cresta_PB_reg_1966.JPG/280px-Vauxhall_Cresta_PB_reg_1966.JPG)
Bentley Cresta
Bentley Hunaudières
Bentley Special (built by Stephen Mond from a Delage chassis and Autovia engine - no parts from the Bentley marque)
Arnolt-Bentley Type R
Arnolt Bristol Bolide
Castiglioni Bolide
I've been away from this one for a few days, and I'm amazed and impressed at the how rapidly the chain has progressed! Bravo to all. I'm still overseas for a few more days, but to briefly contribute again while I have some wi-fi available...
Bolide Motor Car Corp. Can-Am 1 (photo to follow)
Ferrari 612 Can-Am
Ferrari 312PB
Lancia Ferrari D50
I think we had the D50 before. No worries.
Cegga Ferrari.
:)
Cegga AC Ace Bristol
Lea-Francis Ace of Spades
Audi Ace of Spades Concept by Italdesign
Audi 19/100 PS Typ R Imperator
Isdera Imperator
Isdera Commendatore
Bitter Rallye GT by Isdera
Bitter Tasco
Tasco
built by The American Sports Car Co. ;)
Yes, but its name was only Tasco. Otherwise, anytime somebody posts a BMW or a Fiat we should allow any word from these acronyms as valid items for the name chain.
QUOTE
Originally, this car was made by The American Sports Car Company and later coined TASCO, which is its acronym.
UNQUOTE
Alright, so please someone continue the chain with any of these words :
The
American
Sports
Car
Company
,
Inc
::)
Certainly it has become known as the 'Tasco Prototype' but when it actually acquired the name I haven't been able to ascertain.
The name doesn't appear on any of the original plans that you can find on the 'Net.
OK, so, for example, is this 1907 American Underslung Roadster all right to continue then?
And I will continue with the...
IES America.
IES Gringa
Quote from: Djetset on February 13, 2017, 07:42:35 AM
And I will continue with the...
IES America.
American <-> America ??
Quote from: Wendax on February 13, 2017, 08:33:00 AM
Quote from: Djetset on February 13, 2017, 07:42:35 AM
And I will continue with the...
IES America.
American <-> America ??
Ohh sorry, hands-up as my fault entirely. I wasn't paying attention 100 percent when I posted this, so my bad! So, back to the 1907 American Underslung Roadster again I guess, and I'll continue with the...
American Street Rod '41 Willys Coupe kit car.
Doray Willys Special
Willys 77
Impuls 77
DAF 77
DAF Daffodil
OSI DAF City Car
Alexis-DAF F3
Alexis GT
Rochdale GT
Rochdale Olympic
Franklin Olympic
Simca Aronde Olympic Ghia
Ghia L6.4
Ghia Coins.
(I can't see Ford badges :/ )
Dual Ghia
Dual & Turconi Ideale
Woods Dual Power Model 44
DAF 44
DAF Siluro
Buick-DAF V8
Glas 2600 V8
Glas Isar S35
Brilliance Jinbei Zhishang S35
Jinbei Haise
Jinbei Granse
Brilliance Jinbei 750.
Brilliance Jinbei Badao
Jinbei SY6490-ME
AC 3000 ME
AC Invacar Model 57
Invacar Model 70
McEvoy Minor Special Model 70 B
Star McEvoy Special
Star 15 h.p.
Pontiac Strato Star.
Pontiac Tempest
Tornado Tempest.
Tornado Talisman
Renault Talisman.
Renault Kangoo be bop
AMC Renault Encore.
AMC Pacer X
Edsel Pacer.
Edsel Villager
Mercury Bobcat Villager.
Arcadipane Bobcat
Arcadipane Imitator
Ford XC GTHO Phase 4 by Arcadipane Products
(There's a Ford script on the bonnet)
Standard Vanguard Phase 2
Good save oko94! I thought Carnut had definitely killed it but you guys have some amazing tricks up your sleeve.
Sebring-Vanguard Citicar
Bremen Sport Sebring
Bremen Creighton
Quote from: oko94 on February 21, 2017, 07:17:46 AM
Ford XC GTHO Phase 4 by Arcadipane Products
(There's a Ford script on the bonnet)
Rule No.2:
2. If a trim or configuration designation is used as part of a car's name as posted, that designation must be displayed somewhere on the car's exterior.
I wonder where it says 'Arcadipane' on this car? Is it part of its name?
Arcadipane is not a trim or a configuration, it's the actual name of the actual company who modified the actual car. I find it hard to argue that a Ford GTHO by Arcadipane is not a Ford GTHO by Arcadipane...
There have been far more dubious designations that have been accepted so far (like the "Rinspeed EMS09 engineered by Esoro" whose actual, official name is Rinspeed iChange, which is quite different, isn't it ?).
Except 'Engineered by Esoro' was written as that on the Rinspeed so it complied with Rule 2;
does the name Arcadipane appear on the car, which it would need to in order to comply with Rule 2?
Quote from: oko94 on February 22, 2017, 03:44:22 AM
Arcadipane is not a trim or a configuration, it's the actual name of the actual company who modified the actual car.
Agreed
Mini Mark by Custom Coach Builder and Bremen Sport Equipment.
Quote from: Carnut on February 22, 2017, 07:01:00 AM
Mini Mark by Custom Coach Builder and Bremen Sport Equipment.
carnut has provided us with pretty extensive options there..... ;D
Anderson Custom Classics LaCrosse
Intermeccanica LaCrosse (not quite the same car?!):
Quote from: nicanary on February 22, 2017, 07:11:44 AM
Quote from: Carnut on February 22, 2017, 07:01:00 AM
Mini Mark by Custom Coach Builder and Bremen Sport Equipment.
carnut has provided us with pretty extensive options there..... ;D
Yes - there weren't a lot of options!
Intermeccanica Indra
Ford Mustang GT350 Shooting Brake by Intermeccanica
Rolls Royce 40/50 Shooting Brake
Rolls-Royce Corniche
Bentley Corniche Van Vooren
1934 Hispano-Suiza J12 Vanvooren Cabriolet
Hispano-Suiza Alfonso Xlll
I'm not sure if this is allowed.......Bugatti Type 13.
Bugatti Chiron
Quote from: nicanary on February 22, 2017, 05:06:52 PM
I'm not sure if this is allowed.......Bugatti Type 13.
Roman to Arabic numeral conversion OK (and vice-vera)
Creative Car Craft Bugatti
Quote from: Carnut on February 23, 2017, 05:11:13 AM
Creative Car Craft Bugatti
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Did anyone buy one?
Quote from: nicanary on February 23, 2017, 05:26:08 AM
Quote from: Carnut on February 23, 2017, 05:11:13 AM
Creative Car Craft Bugatti
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Did anyone buy one?
Seems somebody did!:
QUOTE
How or even whether Sherman and Kent obtained the rights to the Bugatti name remains unknown. Sherman's son, Scott Sherman, claims that they did indeed purchase the rights to the name sometime in the early to mid-1970s, fully intending to bring the Bugatti marque back to life. Unlike Exner's sporty two-seater, however, Sherman and Kent decided to go the ultra-luxury route and purchased at least two 460-powered 1973 Lincoln Continentals to serve as the bases for two new Bugattis.
Kent, through his Creative Car Craft in Hawthorne, California, had plenty of experience building, restyling, and customizing cars, with experience gained through working with Troutman and Barnes. According to Scott Sherman, his father was no slouch with a hammer and dolly either, so the two set about reskinning the two Continentals in aluminum body panels, anchored at the front by the trademark Bugatti horse-collar grille and defined along the sides by long, swoopy curves, accentuated by a two-tone black-and-silver paint scheme.
They finished at least one of the Bugattis, and presumably it was Sherman and Kent who then displayed it outside the Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance in 1976 with an asking price of $64,000 – again, more than four times the cost of the most expensive contemporary Cadillac, and more than six times the cost of a contemporary Lincoln Continental four-door. Since then, it seems to have fallen out of sight and out of mind: Bugatti resources seem to make absolutely no reference to it at all (aside from three photos on Jaap Horst's Bugattipage.com – 1, 2, 3), and for all their research, Scott Sherman and his brother have turned up nothing else on the car. "Dad died 16-17 years ago, so we never got to know what happened to the car," he said.
The Bugatti name, of course, has since passed on to Romano Artioli – who bought it in 1991 and was successful in producing the Bugatti EB110 – and to Volkswagen – responsible for the current Veyron. The known finished Sherman/Kent Bugatti presumably still exists, but where? Did the Sherman/Kent duo ever finish the second one? And how does this all fit historically into the conventional narrative of the resurrection of the Bugatti marque?
UNQUOTE
Mathomobile Bugatti (including a Bugatti badge!)
Bugatti Veyron Grand Sport Vitesse Meo Constantini
Quote from: Wendax on February 23, 2017, 06:38:28 AM
Bugatti Veyron Grand Sport Vitesse Meo Constantini
Yes.. I posted the wrong car! I meant to post the Veyron. Chiron now removed (we'd had that one already...)
Triumph Vitesse 6
Quote from: Wendax on February 23, 2017, 06:38:28 AM
Bugatti Veyron Grand Sport Vitesse Meo Constantini
Bugatti are going to run out of names soon. They've had everyone who ever drove a T35 in period, or so it seems.
GN Vitesse
Rover 200 Vitesse.
Rover Quintet
Honda Quintet.
Honda NSX
Acura NSX.
Quote from: Djetset on February 23, 2017, 07:23:31 AM
Acura NSX.
B***er! I'd forgotten about their US name.......
Acura Vigor
Honda Vigor ;D
Honda Elysion
McLaren Honda MP4/6
McLaren F1
DKW F1
DKW Munga
Auto Union Munga.
Auto Union STM
Fiberfab Scarab STM
Fiberfab Ft Bonito
Fiberfab Avenger
Hillman Avenger
Hillman Husky
Faesing Husky
Husky Tactical Support Vehicle
Quote from: oko94 on February 23, 2017, 05:29:41 PM
Quote from: pguillem on February 23, 2017, 12:22:53 PM
Fiberfab Scarab STM
Quote from: Wendax on February 23, 2017, 12:25:02 PM
Fiberfab Ft Bonito
Quote from: nicanary on February 23, 2017, 12:33:45 PM
Fiberfab Avenger
Shouldn't there be only two Fiberfabs in a row ?
None of these are my posts, but I do know that the second Fiberfab mentioned (the FT Bonito) was made by the German Fiberfab company, which was different to the other two US-based Fiberfabs, so it should be okay.
Yes, I was just looking at this and was about to say something on similar lines to Djetset, so I suggest we carry on from the Husky Tactical Support Vehicle?
Quote from: Carnut on February 23, 2017, 06:18:13 PM
Yes, I was just looking at this and was about to say something on similar lines to Djetset, so I suggest we carry on from the Husky Tactical Support Vehicle?
Sorry for my part in that. TBH I hadn't realised Fiberfabs were built elsewhere, so it was a genuine mistake on my part. I had considered a post about the Husky being a commercial vehicle, which is why I hadn't posted it myself, but we've had the Munga so I suppose we can all agree that smaller military style vehicles can count. When all is said and done, they are available for sale to the public.
So, Otto - are we agreed it's OK to carry on from the Husky Tactical Support Vehicle or from the Fiberfab FT Bonito?
Quote from: Carnut on February 24, 2017, 04:22:26 AM
So, Otto - are we agreed it's OK to carry on from the Husky Tactical Support Vehicle or from the Fiberfab FT Bonito?
OK, I think it's time to move on so let's continued with the Husky Tactical Support Vehicle; if Otto isn't happy with that decidion we can revert to the Fiberfab FT Bonito later on.
Posts welcome again!
White Rose Husky
Peugeot 306 Sedan Husky
Peugeot Vroomster
McLaren Peugeot MP4/9. (I had just been ready to post the Mohs Ostentatienne Opera Sedan in response to the Peugeot 306 Husky Sedan but was too slow).
McLaren M6GT
It seems I'm constantly having to re-assure myself that I'm doing this correctly. Carnut could have a winner there, unless this counts..........
BMW M6
.
Quote from: nicanary on February 25, 2017, 08:26:52 AM
It seems I'm constantly having to re-assure myself that I'm doing this correctly. Carnut could have a winner there, unless this counts..........
BMW M6
I wouldn't like to be the judge of that, but it is splitting up a name, which I'm not sure about..
On that basis the MG BGT could have been posted which isn't really the idea..
There was of course a McLaren M6, but I didn't post that... The M6BGT was a later coupé version of the M6B? It is sometimes referred to as the
M6B GT, which would also preclude the MG BGT? But I posted what it's usually referred to as to avoid the tens of thousands of cars with the 'GT' moniker!
I couldn't find any period, original McLaren literature about the M6GT and the cars are devoid of badges or scripts so it's quite hard to tell if it should be written M6 GT or M6GT. But according to this picture M6GT should be preferred.
Thanks.
Digging into this is confusing, as ever... The cars are referred to as either M6GT or M6BGT in nearly all places. Bonhams referred to it as M6 GT but auction companies consistently get it wrong and that was no exception.
Here are a couple of articles about the history of the car:
QUOTE
Bruce McLaren's dream: The McLaren M6BGT
Bruce McLaren's vision was not only to dominate the worlds of Formula 1 and CanAm racing on tracks all over the globe, but also to produce some extra-special McLaren machinery for the roads.
His first foray into this brave new world was the stunning McLaren M6BGT, a GT car for road use, of which only two prototypes were made, before Bruce's tragic and untimely death at Goodwood in 1970.
Had he lived longer, it's almost a foregone conclusion that we would have seen more Bruce McLaren masterclasses in automotive machinery before long. Sadly, the M6BGT is the only road-going Bruce McLaren-built legacy left behind, but it is a truly stunning one.
UNQUOTE
QUOTE
McLaren's Early Plans for a Road Car Bearing His Name
A road car bearing the name "McLaren" was an ambition that became a five-year off and on project, that was to be achieved once the company was well under way. The first inkling that Bruce McLaren indeed had the more sporting motorist in mind appeared in the racing press in the mid-1968, when it was rumoured that consideration was being given to the homologation of a coupe version of the McLaren-Elva sports racing car to compete with the Lola T70 in Group 4. The M6A had proven eminently successful in the Can-Am Series, so what better test-bed by which to assess the merits of the venture than the production-line M6B? The Kiwi maestro had fond hopes of thrashing it out with Porsche, Ferrari, and Alfa, on the circuits of Europe, and, besides, what was wrong with importing the old American "win-on-Sunday-sell-on-Monday" philosophy? It was some time before his dream was to become a reality. Revised rules for the F1A Group 5 World Championship for Makes had been altered to require a minimum of 50 identical models before homologation. And they had to be complete cars, unlike McLaren's plans for the M6BGT which left the engine option to the customer. The longed-for homologation papers were, therefore, never to materialise, and the project started to die a slow death.
Later Developments
Early in 1970, however, McLaren had a prototype prepared using one of 50 all-enveloping bodies (which had been delivered for homologation purposes) to surround a stock M6B chassis. It soon became his favourite project, and, amid speculation over an unusual vehicle making a hash of traffic in and around Walton-on-Thames, Trojan Cars released the news that they had in fact cobbled up a road-trimmed version "for evaluation purposes, as it is possible that Trojan may market a road-going version of the M6BGT".
In his book, McLaren! The Man, The Cars & The Team, Eion Young reveals McLaren's thoughts at the time: "Building his own road car was a project that had interested Bruce as an ambition to be achieved when the company was well under way with the racing programme".
But such high hopes soon gave way to disaster when the personable New Zealander met his tragic and untimely end on June 2 while testing the new model M8D Can-Am car at Goodwood.
UNQUOTE
As you might deduce from this, I'm not entirely in agreement that the 'M6' part of the car's name can be extracted and used in isolation! As I said before, you could continue from 'Jaguar' with a car beginning with 'G', on the basis there's a 'G' in 'Jaguar'!
I agree entirely. My post of the BMW was just chancing my arm ;). There have been a few dubious posts on this thread and I think it's time to establish some definite boundaries.
Back to Carnut's McLaren it is.
Quote from: nicanary on February 25, 2017, 11:33:54 AM
I agree entirely. My post of the BMW was just chancing my arm ;). There have been a few dubious posts on this thread and I think it's time to establish some definite boundaries.
Back to Carnut's McLaren it is.
:thumbsup:
Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren
Mercedes-Benz Vaneo
Force India VJM09 Mercedes
Interstyl Hustler Force 4.
Suzuki Hustler
Suzuki Cervo
Maruti Suzuki Swift DZire
Swift FB91 (Formula Ford)
Swift Ten two-door coupe
Standard Ten
Standard Pennant
Standard Superior
Gutbrod Superior 600
I shall open up this thread to allow it to continue :D Fiat 600.......
Fiat Multipla
Polski Fiat 125p
Polski Fiat 126p
FSM 126p.
FSM Syrena 105
Skoda S 105 (photo to follow)
Skoda Roomster
Skoda-Hispano-Suiza 25/100 HP by Jech
Wow, what an impressive car, thanks oko94, I didn't know it.
Anyway, on with it:
Hispano-Alemán Castilla
Hispano-Aleman Vizcaya
Talbot Lago M75 De Vizcaya
Talbot Tagora.
Clement-Talbot Type CT4K (different marque...)
Clément-Panhard Type VCP:
(https://images1.bonhams.com/image?src=Images/live/2008-03/25/7654584-1-1.jpg&width=640&height=480&autosizefit=1)
Panhard 24 CT
Mikromobil 6/24 PS
Selve SL 6/24PS
AMG SL 73
Bugatti Type 73
Bugatti Galibier (Concept)
Rabag-Bugatti 6/30
Star Bugatti Type 55 (child car, made by De La Chapelle for Arola)
Star Comet
Mercury Comet
Mercury Antser
Mercury Model A
Paragon Mercury Coupé
Mercury Motorsport EVO200
Ah, was just posting a nice Paragon continuation when the Mercury EVO popped up, so I'll go with a Fiat Punto EVO instead.
Fiat S76
Polski-Fiat Polonez
Daewoo-FSO Polonez ATU-Plus
Daewoo Prince
Prince Gloria
Datsun Gloria
Datsun Model 112
Autobianchi A 112
Autobianchi Primula
Fiat 1400 Primula Boneschi
Boneschi Lancia Thema Gazella
Alfa Romeo 6C2000 Gazella
Alfa Romeo 2300 Ti
Fiat 2300 S Coupé
Fiat 130 Coupe (we had to get the best-looking coupe of the 1970s in here eventually, it's just a shame that this one is a little battered ;)
Skoda Rapid 130
Skoda Yeti
Samas Yeti
DELTA Yeti Fiat 850
GSM Delta
GSM Flamingo
Buick Flamingo (Motorama show car)
Buick Reatta.
March 85G Buick
March Hare
Nissan March R
Lancia Augusta March Special
(https://images1.bonhams.com/image?src=Images/live/2015-02/19/9126315-1-2.jpg&width=640&height=480&autosizefit=1)
Lancia Ypsilon
Nardi-Lancia F2
Nardi Blue Ray
1953 Manta Ray
Opel Manta
Opel Admiral
ZX Auto Admiral
ZX Auto Terralord
Nissan 300 ZX
IKA Torino 300S
IKA Estanciera
OK, here comes another argument. Since I think we all know that IKA stands for Industrias Kaiser Argentina, an I allowed to post this Kaiser Manhattan?
Quote from: el_monty on March 01, 2017, 11:24:50 AM
OK, here comes another argument. Since I think we all know that IKA stands for Industrias Kaiser Argentina, an I allowed to post this Kaiser Manhattan?
I don't think so I'm afraid. For instance, we all know that 'MG' stands for 'Morris Garages' but you couldn't follow an MG with a Morris because MG was separate marque actually known by the letters. I don't think we should extract a letter from a marque actually known by initials then post what it stands for.
Anyone disagree?
Quote from: Carnut on March 01, 2017, 11:37:38 AM
Quote from: el_monty on March 01, 2017, 11:24:50 AM
OK, here comes another argument. Since I think we all know that IKA stands for Industrias Kaiser Argentina, an I allowed to post this Kaiser Manhattan?
I don't think so I'm afraid. For instance, we all know that 'MG' stands for 'Morris Garages' but you couldn't follow an MG with a Morris because MG was separate marque actually known by the letters. I don't think we should extract a letter from a marque actually known by initials then post what it stands for.
Anyone disagree?
On the whole, I agree with you, but the Estanciera was marketed as a Kaiser.
Quote from: nicanary on March 01, 2017, 12:47:14 PM
Quote from: Carnut on March 01, 2017, 11:37:38 AM
Quote from: el_monty on March 01, 2017, 11:24:50 AM
OK, here comes another argument. Since I think we all know that IKA stands for Industrias Kaiser Argentina, an I allowed to post this Kaiser Manhattan?
I don't think so I'm afraid. For instance, we all know that 'MG' stands for 'Morris Garages' but you couldn't follow an MG with a Morris because MG was separate marque actually known by the letters. I don't think we should extract a letter from a marque actually known by initials then post what it stands for.
Anyone disagree?
On the whole, I agree with you, but the Estanciera was marketed as a Kaiser.
That's fine, as the connection is the Estanciera name not the 'K' from 'IKA'!
Quote from: Carnut on March 01, 2017, 01:40:00 PM
Quote from: nicanary on March 01, 2017, 12:47:14 PM
Quote from: Carnut on March 01, 2017, 11:37:38 AM
Quote from: el_monty on March 01, 2017, 11:24:50 AM
OK, here comes another argument. Since I think we all know that IKA stands for Industrias Kaiser Argentina, an I allowed to post this Kaiser Manhattan?
I don't think so I'm afraid. For instance, we all know that 'MG' stands for 'Morris Garages' but you couldn't follow an MG with a Morris because MG was separate marque actually known by the letters. I don't think we should extract a letter from a marque actually known by initials then post what it stands for.
Anyone disagree?
On the whole, I agree with you, but the Estanciera was marketed as a Kaiser.
That's fine, as the connection is the Estanciera name not the 'K' from 'IKA'!
Point taken.
So if the Chain is continuing with the Estanciera Rural, I will add the Volkswagen 1500 Rural, also from Argentina.
Let's have a Dodge 1500 Rural then.
Volkswagen 1500 Variant (the German model this time!)
Volkswagen 1303S
Myron Bata Volkswagen (prototype - and yes, at least one was built!)
Tata Ace Bata
Lea-Francis Ace of Spades
Lea-Francis Lynx
Nice colour!
Lynx Eventer
Lynx D-type
Riley Lynx
(http://www.pamelasmusic.co.uk/Library/cars/car%20bits/Riley%20carole%207.JPG)
Riley Adelphi
Automobile Manufacturing Industries Pty Ltd Adelphi (built in 1945 at Fitzroy, Victoria, Australia)(I have a photo in an old book that I will need to scan in as there are no images on line, but as the book is at home, and I won't be returning there until 25 March, we can enjoy the suspense!).
Quote from: Djetset on March 03, 2017, 05:10:18 AM
Automobile Manufacturing Industries Pty Ltd Adelphi (built in 1945 at Fitzroy, Victoria, Australia)(I have a photo in an old book that I will need to scan in as there are no images on line, but as the book is at home, and I won't be returning there until 25 March, we can enjoy the suspense!).
It's in Georgano, so that's good enough for me.
US Long Distance Automobile Co.
Heuliez Long Cours
Heuliez Raffica
Quote from: nicanary on March 03, 2017, 06:07:15 AM
Heuliez Raffica
Sorry Nicanary, but we've had the Raffica in the Chain before. I don't know if this matters, but... :(
Quote from: Djetset on March 03, 2017, 06:39:22 AM
Quote from: nicanary on March 03, 2017, 06:07:15 AM
Heuliez Raffica
Sorry Nicanary, but we've had the Raffica in the Chain before. I don't know if this matters, but... :(
I don't believe we can have repeats, no.
Oddly I thought I'd posted it earlier but the Search doesn't bring it up.. I'll have to trawl through the whole thread to find it!
So we revert to the Long Cours but I think we should give Nicanary the chance to modify his post before anyone else posts.
Oddly enough, I thought I'd seen that image recently. Now I know where!
Thanks for being gentlemen. I give you the Heuliez Stars and Stripes.
Aargh! Sorry, but we've had the Stars and Stripes before as well! Sorry!!!
Quote from: Djetset on March 03, 2017, 07:03:13 AM
Aargh! Sorry, but we've had the Stars and Stripes before as well! Sorry!!!
;D ;D Heuliez Mia????
Ligier/Heuliez-O F 4x4
Ligier JS4
Ligier JS2
Talbot-Ligier JS17
Talbot 12hp
Talbot Solara
Toyota Camry Solara
Toyota Camry Vista
Cisitalia Bella Vista
Cisitalia 808 XF
Jaguar XF 10
Renault 10
Renault Avantime
Alfa Romeo Renault Dauphine
Alfa Romeo 8C2900B
Praga Alfa
Praga Lady
Coggiola Honda Lady
Coggiola Janus
Zundapp Janus 750
Zundapp Volksauto
Grun-Zundapp F3
Ruesch F3 (Argentine coupe, photo to follow)
DKW F3
DKW Schnell-Laster
Quote from: Djetset on March 03, 2017, 10:36:05 AM
Toyota Camry Vista
The Toyota Vista was not a Camry model but was a clone of the Camry
The Zündapp Janus 750 was Janus 250 by its engine capacity.
Elva-DKW 100
Elva Courier
(http://elvacourier.com/story/photos/elvacourier-01-01.jpg)
McLaren Elva Mk 2 (American name for the McLaren Mk1B)
Elva-BMW GT160 (AKA BMW-Elva GT160)
Caterham Seven 160
Caterham AeroSeven
Renault-Caterham-Alpine 2015 (successor to Alpine test mule in Lotus Elise body)
Nickri Alpine Hardtop
Alpine VVA
It's happened again. I bet you tried to remove your post for the Sunbeam Alpine, replaced it with the VVA, and it's ended up here. Gremlins alert!
Alpine Marquis
Quote from: nicanary on March 04, 2017, 12:32:08 PM
It's happened again. I bet you tried to remove your post for the Sunbeam Alpine, replaced it with the VVA, and it's ended up here. Gremlins alert!
Indeed I did; fortunately I just seem to have moved it rather than removed it..
It's back where it started now!
Mercury Grand Marquis
Jankel Le Marquis Gold Label
Midas Gold
Kissel Kar Gold Bug Speedster
Kissel 8-75 Speedster
Almquist Speedster
Almquist El Morocco
El Caballo de Hierro
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on March 04, 2017, 02:32:49 AM
Quote from: Djetset on March 03, 2017, 10:36:05 AM
Toyota Camry Vista
The Toyota Vista was not a Camry model but was a clone of the Camry
I hate to do this Otto, but I disagree, as in its domestic Japanese market Toyota has offered many derivatives of its confusing Mark II model family (the Camry being one of these, along with the Chaser, Cresta and so on) and a distinct Camry Vista model has existed for the Japanese market. Thus doesn't impact on the continuation of the chain anyway as a straight forward Toyota Camry would have done :)
Sorry, but my moment to be pedantic, re the earlier Alpine Marquis post. Strictly speaking no such car exists with this naming structure, as this Jean Redele car was called 'Le Marquis' with the model name 'Coach' sometimes added. The Alpine marque name was introduced by Redele some while later with the first A106 model, launched long after the failed Le Marquis project.
Quote from: Djetset on March 04, 2017, 05:10:35 PM
Sorry, but my moment to be pedantic, re the earlier Alpine Marquis post. Strictly speaking no such car exists with this naming structure, as this Jean Redele car was called 'Le Marquis' with the model name 'Coach' sometimes added. The Alpine marque name was introduced by Redele some while later with the first A106 model, launched long after the failed Le Marquis project.
I must admit I didn't bother to check out the image I found. Looking in Georgano and he doesn't even mention the name of this car, although clearly it influenced the first A106. You learn something every day on AP.
PS I am open to criticism about my last post. I have continued the thread by utilising the Spanish word for "the" which is probably stretching a point. I leave the decision to my peers as to whether this is acceptable. I am a very reasonable man.
Henry Covington's El Tiburon Shark Roadster
Quote from: nicanary on March 04, 2017, 05:41:27 PM
Quote from: Djetset on March 04, 2017, 05:10:35 PM
Sorry, but my moment to be pedantic, re the earlier Alpine Marquis post. Strictly speaking no such car exists with this naming structure, as this Jean Redele car was called 'Le Marquis' with the model name 'Coach' sometimes added. The Alpine marque name was introduced by Redele some while later with the first A106 model, launched long after the failed Le Marquis project.
I must admit I didn't bother to check out the image I found. Looking in Georgano and he doesn't even mention the name of this car, although clearly it influenced the first A106. You learn something every day on AP.
PS I am open to criticism about my last post. I have continued the thread by utilising the Spanish word for "the" which is probably stretching a point. I leave the decision to my peers as to whether this is acceptable. I am a very reasonable man.
I thought it was marketed as the Plasticar Marquis. Since it never actually included the name 'Alpine' should we revert to the Alpine VVA? There are plenty of other Alpines which could follow it, but what does Otto think? It's his puzzle so his decision? The 'Marquis' and anything following have not followed a connection. If we do revert then nicanary's question about whether using the word 'The' is acceptable or not would be irrelevant...
I feel a bit sorry for Otto. I don't see why he should have to keep arbitrating simply because I don't know what I'm doing. It was a case of posting in haste - I really should have done some reference work first.
I reckon carnut's suggestion is the best. Maybe others won't agree, but meanwhile I'll re-start the thread with the much-loved and sorely-missed Talbot Alpine.
PS I'd like to resize my posted image but I'm pretty sure it'll end up in "news and information" so it'll have to remain. (The size selected was 1000 so it shouldn't be this big. It seems to happen sometimes. Weird.)
OK - going forward, "The" and all of its synonym words in other languages, are no longer valid in connecting one car to another.
Time to wrap this one up, I think.
Starting with the next car posted, there will be a 1-hour "shot clock", started. If a subsequent post is not made within one hour, the poster who started the clock running will be awarded the points.
Alpine M64
Alpine M65
I think carnut deleted this one, so it's still "available". Sunbeam Alpine.
(Thanks to whoever fixed my Talbot Alpine)
Sunbeam Venezia
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on March 05, 2017, 07:38:56 AM
Starting with the next car posted, there will be a 1-hour "shot clock", started. If a subsequent post is not made within one hour, the poster who started the clock running will be awarded the points.
Crikey does this mean staying up all night?!
With the time differentials anyone posting late at night in the USA means we'll all be fast asleep whilst the hour clicks around! Similarly anyone posting here in Europe at 8 in the morning will catch all Americans napping!
Quote from: Carnut on March 05, 2017, 09:02:14 AM
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on March 05, 2017, 07:38:56 AM
Starting with the next car posted, there will be a 1-hour "shot clock", started. If a subsequent post is not made within one hour, the poster who started the clock running will be awarded the points.
Crikey does this mean staying up all night?!
With the time differentials anyone posting late at night in the USA means we'll all be fast asleep whilst the hour clicks around! Similarly anyone posting here in Europe at 8 in the morning will catch all Americans napping!
You'll have to use some of Fangio's "bennies".
Talbot Sunbeam.
Talbot Lago 2500 America
TVR 2500M
TVR Chimaera
Leafson TVR (with a Lea-Francis engine!)
TVR 60 Grantura Mk1
Grantura Gem
Grantura Plastics Yak
Yak Yeoman
Fioravanti Yak
Fioravanti Sensiva
Hey, what happened to the Fioravanti Yak???
Quote from: Paul Jaray on March 05, 2017, 11:28:16 AM
Fioravanti Sensiva
Hey, what happened to the Fioravanti Yak???
It finished up in "news and information". What is going on with our software?
Quote from: Paul Jaray on March 05, 2017, 11:28:16 AM
Fioravanti Sensiva
Hey, what happened to the Fioravanti Yak???
Sorry. I removed it and as I'd only just posted it I thought no-one would have seen it..
It's back again now...
Chevrolet Yeoman
Quote from: pguillem on March 05, 2017, 11:32:25 AM
Chevrolet Yeoman
Sorry but we have to follow the Fioravanti Sensiva...
Quote from: Carnut on March 05, 2017, 11:31:12 AM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on March 05, 2017, 11:28:16 AM
Fioravanti Sensiva
Hey, what happened to the Fioravanti Yak???
Sorry. I removed it and as I'd only just posted it I thought no-one would have seen it..
It's back again now...
I was going to post it myself...but then I read you beated me to it...
You can't relax with this game ;D
Fioravanti Kyte
That would be the 3rd Fioravanti in a row. ;)
Quote from: Paul Jaray on March 05, 2017, 11:39:48 AM
That would be the 3rd Fioravanti in a row. ;)
Quite, I was about to post that we can't have the Kyte too, so we're still at Fioravanti Sensiva..
Sorry, I've been a bit confused by the disappearing/reappearing posts.
Lancia Kandahar by Fioravanti
How is the rule in this case...isn't that another Fioravanti? The Lancia logo is visible on the car, but that's not a Lancia.
Not sure myself either...
I was about to follow it with Lancia Dedra but whilst the other Fioravantis have been badged as such, was this Lancia?
Just had a quick Google and it's referred to as all sorts: Lancia Musa Kandahar, Lancia Fioravanti Kandahar, Fioravanti Kandahar, Lancia Kandahar Fiorvanti...
We might have to allow it as it does look very much like a Lancia with that grille?
Quote from: Carnut on March 05, 2017, 11:51:48 AM
whilst the other Fioravantis have been badged as such, was this Lancia?
This one still has the regular Lancia grille and Lancia badges on the wheels, hatch and steering wheel. So it's definitely a Lancia. There's only a Fioravanti logo on the D-pillar.
Quote from: oko94 on March 05, 2017, 11:59:39 AM
Quote from: Carnut on March 05, 2017, 11:51:48 AM
whilst the other Fioravantis have been badged as such, was this Lancia?
This one still has the regular Lancia grille and Lancia badges on the wheels, hatch and steering wheel. So it's definitely a Lancia. There's only a Fioravanti logo on the D-pillar.
I have to agree, so that leaves us at Lancia Dedra now. OK everyone?
Fischaber Lancia Special
Quote from: Paul Jaray on March 05, 2017, 12:11:28 PM
Lancia Dialogos
If we allowed the Kandahar as a Lancia rather than a Fioravanti dosn't it make the Dialogos 3 Lancias in a row?!
EDIT:
Sorry, hadn't noticed P48..
Take it the Fischhaber is instead of the Lancia Dialogos?!
Perhaps better to delete that post?
I was sure I had deleted it...done it now.
Felber Lancia FF
Jensen FF
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Jensen_FF_Mark_II.jpg/230px-Jensen_FF_Mark_II.jpg)
Jensen GT
Jensen-Healey
Austin-Healey Sprite
Lanchester Sprite Mk 1
Lanchester Leda
Leda LT22
Leda LT25
Leda - 1908 French car manufactured by Thorand, Theim et Cie, Paris
We hadn't actually finished with Leda race cars - this is the only one we are missing, the original F5000 design the LT20.
You're right - we hadn't!
McRae-Leda GM1:
Subaru Impreza Series McRae
Subaru Sambar
Rabbit Subaru RS-3
Coloni C3B Subaru
Subaru Legacy
Otto - Any chance we can put this on hold and resume hostilities in say 12 hours?
Otherwise it's going to be the next post that wins simply because everyone this side of the pond has gone to bed.
Resuming at say midday or 1 pm Central European time would give everyone on both sides of the Atlantic the chance to resume..
I think there are too many points at stake.
I' m still ready for the next car...
Not sure if this is within the spirit of the thread - homebuilt Porsche 917/10 replica with Subaru power. As far as I know, it has no designated name. I would therefore nominate it as Porsche-Subaru.
Quote from: Carnut on March 06, 2017, 06:32:04 AM
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on March 06, 2017, 05:08:56 AM
Quote from: Carnut on March 05, 2017, 06:46:30 PM
Subaru Legacy
I think we have a winner.
I'm not going to argue...!
Nor am I. I really wasn't too happy with my last post (so why did you post it, they all ask? :D) as it wasn't a production car or concept car. If we used anything of an eigenbau nature this thread would never finish.
I'm fully in favour of supporting the Legacy as a winner. I can't find another car with Legacy as part of the name. Can anyone else?
Well the car before the Legacy was a Coloni so according to the rules another (non-Legacy) Subaru could have been submitted but I went to bed a little bit too early !
Quote from: oko94 on March 06, 2017, 07:44:38 AM
Well the car before the Legacy was a Coloni so according to the rules another (non-Legacy) Subaru could have been submitted but I went to bed a little bit too early !
Yes but it could have been an Impreza, a word only known in that context . . .
I've been totally switched off from AP for a few days as been driving around mainland Europe being battered by the intense wind and rain, so very out of the latest Chain links.
So, are we still looking for another Subaru-related link? If so, I have a couple, but will go with the Monteverdi Design Subaru Leone 1600 Swingback (giving plenty to get stuck into again there ;) ). Oh, and photo to follow as currently in the Jura with a variable wi-fj connection!
This thread appears to be heading for a messy end. My suggestion is for the OP to make a decision as to whether we continue.
Quote from: Allan L on March 06, 2017, 09:10:50 AM
Quote from: oko94 on March 06, 2017, 07:44:38 AM
Well the car before the Legacy was a Coloni so according to the rules another (non-Legacy) Subaru could have been submitted but I went to bed a little bit too early !
Yes but it could have been an Impreza, a word only known in that context . . .
Except we'd already had the Impreza...
Quote from: nicanary on March 06, 2017, 10:27:28 AM
This thread appears to be heading for a messy end. My suggestion is for the OP to make a decision as to whether we continue.
Hasn't Carnut been declared the winner ? Why should we continue ?
Quote from: nicanary on March 06, 2017, 10:27:28 AM
This thread appears to be heading for a messy end. My suggestion is for the OP to make a decision as to whether we continue.
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on March 06, 2017, 05:08:56 AM
Quote from: Carnut on March 05, 2017, 06:46:30 PM
Subaru Legacy
I think we have a winner.
I thought Otto had already made a decision?!
Quote from: Paul Jaray on March 05, 2017, 07:02:57 PM
I think there are too many points at stake.
Quote from: Paul Jaray on March 06, 2017, 05:01:42 AM
I' m still ready for the next car...
For 2 times I was ready to post the following car before anyone...
QuoteOtto - Any chance we can put this on hold and resume hostilities in say 12 hours?
Otherwise it's going to be the next post that wins simply because everyone this side of the pond has gone to bed.
Resuming at say midday or 1 pm Central European time would give everyone on both sides of the Atlantic the chance to resume..
It was not a rule but a request for a gentlemen's agreement. I don't think it was possible to ask other puzzlers not to play in order to ...play at a specific time! I left those 2 posts to prove I was there ready to play but I didn't, waiting for Otto's opinion...because it's still his puzzle, after all. I understand Carnut's idea but this is going too far: there are about 50 points (!) here, I think something has to be done about ;)
However I have a couple of cars to keep it going:
Legacy Roadster, built by Classic Cars of Titchfield
I'd be happy if the winner gets a small number of points - maybe 5 or 6.
This is beginning to remind me of the Oscars though..
I thought Otto had declared a winner so to carry on after that is perhaps not quite the right thing..
Call in Karn Utz for an adjuication, someone.
My personal feeling: a good idea went bad. Too many points, too many people interpreting the rules, things happening I don't understand, arguments winning over the fun ... I'm out. :(
Quote from: Wendax on March 06, 2017, 01:52:54 PM
My personal feeling: a good idea went bad. Too many points, too many people interpreting the rules, things happening I don't understand, arguments winning over the fun ... I'm out. :(
I don't have much fun with the interpretation of rules. The Name Chain went unchained Frenzy, that's my feeling. Anyway, we had the chance to see -an sometimes discover- very interesting cars. Thanks for that.
Now finally at a hotel with wi-fi and reviewing the posts I missed over the last few days.
I hate to upset the apple cart, but I noticed that the recent post #1180 (a Jensen-Healey) is a repeat of an earlier Chain post (#393)! I'm not sure if this matters, but if it does then based on the ruked the Chain should revert back to the last correct post (a Jensen GT), ruling out all the later debate about Lancias and Subarus :(. And just when it all seemed to have come to an end...!
I'd like to understand what happened here.
Going back to reply #1188 and following, when everything was still ok:
McRae-Leda GM1
Subaru Impreza Series McRae
Subaru Sambar
Rabbit Subaru RS-3
Coloni C3B Subaru
Subaru Legacy.
Then, even if the chain can be continued with another Subaru (the Legacy is the 1st Subaru after Coloni) or at least a couple more of cars, Carnut, who posted the last car, proposed a stop because "it's going to be the next post that wins simply because everyone this side of the pond has gone to bed".
Now, I don't know why the next was going to be the last, or why in this very case there was the need for a stop, but what happened later is even more strange: I posted 2 times just to say "I was ready to continue but respect Carnut's request and I'm waiting here".
...but even if 2 days are not passed, Carnut is the winner after he proposed a stop?
Beside my 2 posts, Nicanary tried with a Porsche-Subaru (may be wrong but why do not even consider it?), then oko94 and Allan L reminded everyone that there was still a Subaru model to be used...then Djetset proposed yet another Subaru.....oh, and BTW, I proposed another Legacy, built by Classic Cars of Titchfield....and all this within the 2-days limit to end the game.
Yes, I thought an overnight stop would be a good idea for reasons stated but it was a proposal - a question to Otto. It couldn't actually be my decision.
What happened next seemed like a decision, i.e. Otto's post.
I wonder if it's best for Otto to call an end to this with no points and call it a day, since it's degenerating somewhat into a slanging match and that's not what we want on here.
I'm not sure I can actually see an end to it any other way other than that or else Otto's decision that the Subaru Legacy is the winner, unless we heed Djetset's post that my Jensen-Healey was not allowable (I'd completely lost track of what had already been posted), in which case the thread would end at the Jensen GT with Wendax the winner.
Either way I think it's time to call an end to it.
But why you thought (and you still think) there's nothing after your Subaru? There are dozens of other models by Subaru, at least another model named Legacy by a different maker and yet another car with Subaru in its name...of all the times this chain passed through hard times, this happened when there was really no problem, or at least I still can't see it.
It is a funny game but, like stated many times before, we can't have 50 points available in a game were some of us are playing to keep it going and have fun, and others are trying to end it and get the points and where the rules are stretched and bended ( and it's fine when it's for fun, but not so legit when it's for points).
My big question is why now...after 50 pages and hundreds of posts, we are deciding that it can't proceed or it have to stop.
My suggestion is: let's reduce drastically the number of points (1 or 2) and keep playing like this: it will never ends? And where is the problem?
(BTW: I think you Carnut and few others are the moral winner of it, since you kept it going till today!)
Quote from: Carnut on March 06, 2017, 06:10:31 PM
Yes, I thought an overnight stop would be a good idea for reasons stated but it was a proposal - a question to Otto. It couldn't actually be my decision.
I declared a winner in error - I misread the timestamp on the subsequent post to CarNut's - my eyesight has gone to heck in a handbasket.
If everyone can play nicely, we'll keep going, with the shot-clock rule still in effect.
Quote from: Djetset on March 06, 2017, 05:27:52 PM
I hate to upset the apple cart, but I noticed that the recent post #1180 (a Jensen-Healey) is a repeat of an earlier Chain post (#393)! I'm not sure if this matters, but if it does then based on the ruked the Chain should revert back to the last correct post (a Jensen GT)
Otto, should we resume the chain from the Jensen GT then ?
Quote from: Paul Jaray on March 07, 2017, 01:10:14 AM
But why you thought (and you still think) there's nothing after your Subaru? There are dozens of other models by Subaru, at least another model named Legacy by a different maker and yet another car with Subaru in its name...of all the times this chain passed through hard times, this happened when there was really no problem, or at least I still can't see it.
It is a funny game but, like stated many times before, we can't have 50 points available in a game were some of us are playing to keep it going and have fun, and others are trying to end it and get the points and where the rules are stretched and bended ( and it's fine when it's for fun, but not so legit when it's for points).
My big question is why now...after 50 pages and hundreds of posts, we are deciding that it can't proceed or it have to stop.
My suggestion is: let's reduce drastically the number of points (1 or 2) and keep playing like this: it will never ends? And where is the problem?
(BTW: I think you Carnut and few others are the moral winner of it, since you kept it going till today!)
I know there's plenty of potential after my Subaru Legacy; it's just nobody posted anything and Otto took that to be the end of the Chain according to his new one-hour rule!
If we do what we've done before in the case of a double-post and go back to the one before it we are back at Wendax's Jensen GT.
I will therefore post the following car, which is what I was going to post before deciding on the Jensen-Healey, which incidentallly didn't come up on the Search, as have a number of cars which have previously been posted in The Name Chain..
So to replace my incorrectly-posted Jensen-Healey here's Jacob Jensen's concept based on a Citroen XM; I can't trace any name for it other than 'Jensen':
Jensen C-V8 Mark III
Jensen PW
Quote from: Carnut on March 07, 2017, 05:39:25 AM
Jensen PW
I hope that's not supposed to be its name!
Wouldn't have been called that, or even colloquially referred to as that when it was new.
Indeed, it looks like it was called 4 Litre or Four Litre.
OK, well I'm not much of an Expert on such cars but I picked it up from here:
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/2011-39/solved-neh-1213-jensen-pw-1946/msg171536/#msg171536
It seems to have been identified by an owner of one who called it that, which also tallied with the description of the car on the source site.
I believe it was available with other engines too (including an 8 cyl) but I guess the car I posted was a 4-litre with Austin straight 6...
Quote from: Carnut on March 07, 2017, 06:38:31 AM
OK, well I'm not much of an Expert on such cars but I picked it up from here:
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/2011-39/solved-neh-1213-jensen-pw-1946/msg171536/#msg171536
It seems to have been identified by an owner of one who called it that, which also tallied with the description of the car on the source site.
I believe it was available with other engines too (including a V8) but I guess the car I posted was a 4-litre...
Both Wikipedia (stop laughing!) and Georgano refer to it as PW. The Jensen Owners Club site say it was called 4-litre at introduction but is now commonly referred to as PW. I suppose for the purposes of this thread both titles could be used for continuation.
Quote from: nicanary on March 07, 2017, 06:41:53 AM
Quote from: Carnut on March 07, 2017, 06:38:31 AM
OK, well I'm not much of an Expert on such cars but I picked it up from here:
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/2011-39/solved-neh-1213-jensen-pw-1946/msg171536/#msg171536
It seems to have been identified by an owner of one who called it that, which also tallied with the description of the car on the source site.
I believe it was available with other engines too (including an 8 cyl) but I guess the car I posted was a 4-litre with Austin straight 6...
Both Wikipedia (stop laughing!) and Georgano refer to it as PW. The Jensen Owners Club site say it was called 4-litre at introduction but is now commonly referred to as PW. I suppose for the purposes of this thread both titles could be used for continuation.
Indeed.
I just looked on the Jensen Owners' Club site and there is a section on what they call the PW!
I think it's understandable if a non-Expert on Jensens called it a PW since that's what it seems to be almost universally referred to as..
I'm not entirely happy posting a Jensen 4-litre so might change my mind and post an entirely different car shortly instead.
OK, since the car I posted seemed to have an incorrect name I'll change it and make my post the Jensen Esporando:
Sorry but agéd memory let me down and I'd forgotten that Jensen did use the PW tag as it was Postwar not Prewar although the way it looked could have been either.
I expect the 8 cylinder had a Ford V8 like its prewar counterpart.
Jensen Largo
Hamann Fiat 500 Largo
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on March 07, 2017, 03:28:29 AM
I declared a winner in error - I misread the timestamp on the subsequent post to CarNut's - my eyesight has gone to heck in a handbasket.
If everyone can play nicely, we'll keep going, with the shot-clock rule still in effect.
Can you explain the shot-clock rule again?
I posted at 1151 this morning so does the next post have to be within the hour, or not?
You are right - my admission of an error yesterday, was in error.
- I know I have botched this whole puzzle badly, and for that, I apologize. I will count the number of points on offer, up through the winning Subaru post by Carnut.
- To quell the angered masses, I will award half of the points to Carnut, and distribute the rest of the points evenly among those who participated in the puzzle up to the winning post. In the case of an uneven number of points being available, the extra, odd point goes to Carnut.
- I sincerely tried to make a fun game, but unfortunately sparked acrimony, confusion, and ill-will. I hereby swear off posting puzzles in the future.
Points will be calculated and awarded this weekend.
Thanks.
No problem for me.
But please don't let the experience put you off puzzles; it was great fun and I think only became a bit acrimonious through misundertandings rather than ill-will. I think it was the right time to end it though..
But thanks again for a great fun puzzle.
Quote from: Carnut on March 08, 2017, 05:03:56 AM
Thanks.
No problem for me.
But please don't let the experience put you off puzzles; it was great fun and I think only became a bit acrimonious through misundertandings rather than ill-will. I think it was the right time to end it though..
But thanks again for a great fun puzzle.
Seconded.
Quote from: Carnut on March 08, 2017, 05:03:56 AM
Thanks.
No problem for me.
But please don't let the experience put you off puzzles; it was great fun and I think only became a bit acrimonious through misundertandings rather than ill-will. I think it was the right time to end it though..
But thanks again for a great fun puzzle.
I agree with this too. Otto, you tried to introduce something different and fun in order to keep puzzlers entertained and on their toes, and at that this puzzle mostly succeeded. I think it was inevitable that this idea was going to run into trouble at some points because car-naming can sometimes be a confusing issue, especially with the kind of obscure models that are the bread and butter of AP. But unlike so many other forums out there, this is one where we are all here to enjoy ourselves, members generally treat each other with respect and disagreements are dealt with in a civilized manner. I would encourage you to keep posting any new puzzles you come up with, be they the classic kind or leftfield ideas like this one.
The points accrued are 49.
Half of 49 is 24.5 (Round up to 25). These go to Carnut
The other half of the points is 24.5 (round down to 24).
14 participants (other than myself and Carnut) will divide those 24 points.
But 14 into 24 does not go (1.71). So, round up again, and each of the 14 to get 2 points.
Carnut 25
Paul Jaray 2
Allan L 2
Wendax 2
nicanary 2
oko94 2
Djetset 2
pguillem 2
Ehhxekt 2
el_monty 2
luisps 2
sixtee5cuda 2
Oguerrerob 2
ropat53 2
pnegyesi 2
Thanks for my 691st and 692nd points.
It seems a very fair way to distribute the points. Thanks for the fun - I'm sorry things turned out the way they did and apologise for my part in it. Having said that, compared to many well-known websites it was all reasonably amicable just like it usually is on AP.
Maybe we could all take a lesson from Monty Python's sketch "Batley Townswomens' Guild re=enactment of Pearl Harbour".
Brilliant!
Thanks for lots of fun and a fair solution Otto.
Thanks!! I really enjoyed until ... This puzzle was different, joyful and full of fun. Thank you for creating and bringing to us this kind of puzzles. :applause:
Thank you very much for these ever-harder-to-come-by points. I really enjoyed this puzzle most of its time.
Thanks for the points too!
I also would like to thank you for the points.
:thumbsup:
Thank you ! :)