(Attempt #8 to post this puzzle... [too many posts from IP address in under 30 seconds?] )
For one point, provide year, make, and coachbuilder of this elegant sedan
American car
Yes, this car was built in the U.S.A.
Barley
Not Barley
Bay State
Not Bay State
Commonwealth
Not Commonwealth
To narrow it down, this make of car is still being produced.
Any more ideas from the Experts?
.......does it have a Knight engine?
Not a Knight engine
Still being produced . . . let's try Cadillac?
LOCKED for D-type
This is in fact, a Cadillac.
Now you just need to find the year and coachbuilder.
Hmmm. D-type disappeared. Unlocked, if any Experts know this car.
Whoops! I missed this lock. Never mind - leave it unlocked as I haven't a clue.
A random guess: a 1925 Cadillac V-63 Town Car
This is a 1924 Cadillac. Not sure about the model name.
Now, can you find the coachbuilder?
FLEETWOOD?
There is some similarity to Judkins-bodied Cadillacs, but I can't confirm if this is one...
Not Judkins
Not Fleetwood
Up it goes!
Pro's?
American coachbuilder?
Inglis M. Uppercu's '24 Cadillac, from New York.
LOCKED for Paul Jaray
This is a 1924 Cadillac, which was likely designed and sold by Inglis M. Uppercu.
It is a small step to name the coachbuilder which made bodies for Uppercu for many years.
Healey & Company.
Actually, Inglis M. Uppercu (Cadillac distributor for New York City) just used that squared radiator on some of his Healey & Company's bodied Cadillac.
Not Healey, as far as I can tell. There is a web page about a different coachbuilder, which includes the advertisement page you posted.
Quote from: sixtee5cuda on July 28, 2017, 03:55:17 PM
LOCKED for Paul Jaray
Still locked ? I've found the answer.
Unlocked
Hollander & Morrill
Point awarded to oko94 for the correct answer.
Sorry, I've not been able to play these days. Your picture cames from an article from Special Interest Autos. I read that article but there is no mention of H & M, but there is written clearly that Uppercu used that squared radiator on his Healy-bodied Cadillac. I'll post the passage.
Here you are an extract from the excellent page about Hollander & Morrill:
"Holland & Morrill specialty was closed bodies and their bodies were much in demand with high quality chassis retailers in Boston and New York. By 1913 they had started building bodies for Inglis M. Uppercu's Detroit Cadillac Motor Car Co., a firm that would soon become their best customer. Detroit Cadillac, the Manhattan Cadillac distributor, had a custom body department that was headed by J.R. McLauchlen, and prior to Cadillac's association with Fleetwood, many of Uppercu's town cars, landaulets and limousines were designed by McLauchlen and built by either Hollander & Morrill or Healey & Co. in New Jersey.
(...)
By 1922 the firm's sales had rebounded and during the year they produced 157 automobile bodies valued at $289,219. However the 1923 reorganization of the Detroit Cadillac Motor Car Company as the Uppercu Cadillac Corp. gave them reason for concern.
As the original firm still owed Hollander & Morrill a substantial sum of money, the board of directors voted to withhold the annual dividend to their shareholders, although they approved salaries of $12,000 for Messrs. Hollander and Morrill.
As it turned out, Uppercu Cadillac made good on their predecessor's debts, however the demand for custom bodies grew weaker during the year and Hollander & Morrill only produced 114 automobile bodies valued at $214,742.
(...)
By the middle of 1924, Hollander & Morrill's business outlook was grim and midway through the year they considered a merger with the Holbrook Co. of Hudson, New York and the Healey & Co. of New York.
The architect of the consolidation was most likely Inglis M. Uppercu, the owner of the Uppercu Cadillac Corp. (formerly the Detroit Cadillac Motor Car Co.). Although his name is not mentioned in the consolidation proposal, he had recently purchased a controlling interest in Healey & Co. from Colonel Healey.
At that time Uppercu was also Hollander & Morrill's primary customer, and he had recently relocated his Aeromarine operations to Keyport, New Jersey, the hometown of Keyport Securities Corp., the financier of the merger. By consolidating his three body suppliers into a single entity, it would be much easier to keep his costs down.
A merger could also prove beneficial to Hollander & Morrill as they had little to lose and much to gain if the deal went through. The resulting firm would be in a better position to effectively compete against their larger Detroit-based competition, and would hopefully allow them to stay in business for a few more years.
Based on each firm's financial statements, the following valuations were mutually arrived at:
Holbrook & Company $254,500.00
Holland & Morrill $132,865.03
Healey & Company $ 87,589.69
(...)
Healey & Company, whose most talented staff had been hired away in 1921 by Pasadena, California coachbuilder Walter M. Murphy, was absorbed by Uppercu. He reorganized it as the Healey-Aeromarine Bus Co., closed down their Manhattan body plant and relocated its bus building operations his Keyport, New Jersey factory.
Hollander & Morrill met a similar fate. By mid 1924 it had become apparent to the Cadillac Motor Car Co. that the continued success of the firm depended on the availability of low cost, yet high quality custom coachwork. "
Here you are an extract about Healey &Co.:
"Early on (1905 ) Healey developed a good working relationship with Inglis M. Uppercu, the New York City Cadillac distributor. Uppercu had purchased the New York Cadillac agency in 1908, and by the middle teens, his Detroit Cadillac Motor Car Co., was Healey's largest customer. J.R. MacLachlan was manager of Uppercu's custom body department and both he and Grover C. Parvis, who held the same position with New York City's Packard distributor, often designed the bodies they ordered.
(...)
Healey's last Salon appearance was at the 1923 New York Salon, and soon afterwards Colonel Healey decided to retire from the body building business and sold it to Uppercu, his largest customer. Uppercu relocated Healey's bus building operations to Aeromarine's Keyport, New Jersey factory and reorganized the firm in 1924 as the Healey-Aeromarine Bus Co. with headquarters in Nutley, New Jersey. What remained of Healey's custom automobile body business was integrated into Uppercu's Detroit Cadillac Motor Car Co. which was reorganized as Uppercu Cadillac Corp in 1925. By that time Uppercu operated two Manhattan dealerships, the first at Broadway and 62nd St. the second at 70 Columbus Ave. "
And here's the source of the puzzle: an article on Special Interest Autos (April 1980) about slighlty modified cars:
Change the title as you see fit. My research indicated the squared off Uppercu radiator could be provided on either Healey or H&M cars.
Quote from: sixtee5cuda on August 10, 2017, 07:59:43 AM
Change the title as you see fit. My research indicated the squared off Uppercu radiator could be provided on either Healey or H&M cars.
I'm sorry, but that's your puzzle. I decided to quit playing months ago, but I still like to try now and then, and when I do, I'd like to have fun...I think you should spend some time (like I did) and show not only the result of your research, but also your source, or at least report what's written there.
The picture for your puzzle cames from SIA magazine and there's written the radiator was used in some of the Caddilac Uppercu sold and they were bodied by Healey & Company. And this is not an interpretation.
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There is a web page about a different coachbuilder, which includes the advertisement page you posted
I think that page is coachbuilt.com, and the advertisement I posted (that is there) has no part in this puzzle, I put it there just to support Uppercu's guess.
The website is quite exaustive: there's written that both coachbuilders bodied Uppercu's Cadillacs...but there's nothing about the squared radiator Uppercu's used in some of them.
The only sorce I found about those radiator is that SIA article, where Hollander and Morrill is not even mentioned but it is stated clearly that Healey & Co. was responsible for the bodies.
Reading the story of Uppercu, Healey & Co and Hollander and Morrill, there is not a conclusive proof that this squared radiator was used in a Cadillac bodied by H&M, and all it's written there does not go against what is written in SIA.
sixtee5cuda, could you tell me more about it?
All I have is fading knowledge from when I found and researched H&M/Healey/Uppercu. I may have found information in old documents, indicating H&M built far more Uppercu Cadillacs than Healey.
It's kind of sad, that none of these cars exist any more, and that any documentation is disappearing as well.
Ok, so the original page of the magazine where your picture cames from together with the article reporting the solution are wrong because of your "fading knowledge" about what you "may have found" indicating that "H&M built far more Uppercu Cadillacs than Healey"?
I think that if Healey & Co. built just 1 Cadillac for Uppercu (the puzzle car) and the remaining 99.9% has been built by H&M, that will still prove I was right all the time.
The question was not who coachbuilt more Cadillac for Uppercu, but who did the puzzle car.
You are assuming it was H&M because he built more Cadillacs for Uppercu. I think it was Healy & Co. because this is what is written below your picture and in an accurate article about those kind of cars.
I was hoping in something more to prove SIA was wrong.
However, this is your puzzle...I'm done with points, but I still care for accuracy of puzzles.
If I wasn't clear. Feel free to change the title, to indicate it was built by Healey.