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Title: SOLVED: WTH # 555 - Pedroso Roadster one-off by Marquis de Pedroso
Post by: sixtee5cuda on June 29, 2017, 08:40:49 AM
To earn a point, describe the year, make, and type of engine used in this little speedster
Title: Re: WTH # 555
Post by: Fёdor on July 04, 2017, 03:32:06 PM

European
Title: Re: WTH # 555
Post by: sixtee5cuda on July 04, 2017, 06:59:23 PM
Yes, it is from Europe
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Post by: Fёdor on July 05, 2017, 01:19:51 PM

Italian
Title: Re: WTH # 555
Post by: sixtee5cuda on July 05, 2017, 08:21:30 PM
Not Italian
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Post by: D-type on July 06, 2017, 08:20:10 AM
British?
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Post by: sixtee5cuda on July 06, 2017, 08:22:30 AM
Not British
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Post by: richard cuyler on July 06, 2017, 09:17:11 AM
I can't quite work out the engine layout. Is it a straight 12/10/8, or the one visible half of a huge V16?  :o :o
Title: Re: WTH # 555
Post by: D-type on July 06, 2017, 11:45:56 AM
RHD, but
Italian
British

So, is it  French?
Title: Re: WTH # 555
Post by: sixtee5cuda on July 06, 2017, 12:35:30 PM
The engine is a straight-8.

This car was built in France.
Title: Re: WTH # 555
Post by: D-type on July 06, 2017, 02:12:37 PM
A Ballot?
Title: Re: WTH # 555
Post by: sixtee5cuda on July 07, 2017, 12:04:18 AM
There is a Ballot connection, but the engine and car are not Ballots.
Title: Re: WTH # 555
Post by: richard cuyler on July 07, 2017, 08:00:03 AM
Did the manufacturer of the coachwork also manufacture the engine?
Title: Re: WTH # 555
Post by: sixtee5cuda on July 07, 2017, 08:56:13 AM
The entire car is described as being the creation of one company
Title: Re: WTH # 555
Post by: D-type on July 07, 2017, 03:43:47 PM
A  Talbot-Darracq?
Title: Re: WTH # 555
Post by: sixtee5cuda on July 08, 2017, 12:56:38 AM
Not a Talbot-Darracq
Title: Re: WTH # 555
Post by: Allan L on July 08, 2017, 03:20:35 AM
Quote from: sixtee5cuda on July 07, 2017, 08:56:13 AM
The entire car is described as being the creation of one company
Is that a known car-making company?
Title: Re: WTH # 555
Post by: sixtee5cuda on July 08, 2017, 08:43:28 AM
For about a decade, they made automobiles.  Several online sources indicate that car production was not their main business.
Title: Re: WTH # 555
Post by: richard cuyler on July 11, 2017, 12:41:05 PM
Wild guess: Mors?
Title: Re: WTH # 555
Post by: sixtee5cuda on July 11, 2017, 02:34:04 PM
Not Mors.

This company continued the strange tradition of Spaniards building cars in France.
Title: Re: WTH # 555
Post by: D-type on July 11, 2017, 03:48:45 PM
Could it be a Hispano-Suiza?
Title: Re: WTH # 555
Post by: sixtee5cuda on July 12, 2017, 08:26:49 AM
Not Hispano-Suiza
Title: Re: WTH # 555
Post by: sixtee5cuda on July 12, 2017, 08:31:21 AM
Quote from: richard cuyler on July 07, 2017, 08:00:03 AM
Did the manufacturer of the coachwork also manufacture the engine?

I have found no direct indication that a coachbuilder was involved in the creation of this car.  However, during the 1970's, the car was in the possession of a coachbuilding firm.
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Post by: sixtee5cuda on July 23, 2017, 03:56:56 PM
Up!

Do the Professionals know this one?
Title: Re: WTH # 555
Post by: oko94 on July 24, 2017, 12:33:45 AM
1927 Pedroso (or 1926 or 1928 according to different sources)
Title: Re: WTH # 555
Post by: sixtee5cuda on July 24, 2017, 07:43:33 AM
And the point goes to oko94.

As shown in these pictures, this car was photographed at the Petersen Museum in Los Angeles, California.  There is a bit of information about the car online, but the years don't make a lot of sense.  Soriano-Pedroso only built cars until 1924.  Until 1926-1928 is a long time to wait, to finish building a car around your unique prototype 8-cylinder engine.  If it was a solo project, it would make sense that he used just last name, and it took so long to finish.

Strange information about a coachbuilder from the 1970's:
At the Derham Custom Body Works in Rosemont, Pa., there is preserved the 1927 straight-eight twin-overhead-camshaft Pedroso, last descendant of the Soriano-Pedroso line...
Title: Re: SOLVED: WTH # 555 - Pedroso Roadster one-off by Marquis de Pedroso
Post by: pnegyesi on November 29, 2023, 05:02:14 PM
Bonhams sold the car in 2021. Here's part of their description:
Although their main product was marine engines, in 1928, San Carlos de Pedroso built two specially designed two-liter prototype straight-eight supercharged twin-cam engines. Advanced for the day, the all-aluminum engines employed variable timing for the double-overhead-camshafts, which was controlled from the cockpit. The Marquis de Pedroso intended to enter the car in the Le Mans 24-hour race, but he was injured in an accident in another car and was prevented from competing. Of the two Pedroso's built, only this car, serial number 101, is believed to have survived World War II.