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Title: Solved: Allemano's comeback 2nd - 1975 Alfa Romeo 33 concept by Gérard Godfroy
Post by: Allemano on December 29, 2018, 07:36:21 AM
And yet another one!



Tell me what it was ought to be (obvious..)
Who designed it and when?
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Post by: Allemano on December 31, 2018, 05:48:55 AM
Experts?
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Post by: Carnut on December 31, 2018, 07:10:27 AM
Looks like Bertone/Gandini.
But those look like Alfa 33 wheels.
Any progress there?
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Post by: Allemano on December 31, 2018, 10:47:09 AM
Quote from: Carnut on December 31, 2018, 07:10:27 AM
Looks like Bertone/Gandini.
But those look like Alfa 33 wheels.
Any progress there?
Alfa 33, yes, but not by Gandini or Bertone
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Post by: Carnut on December 31, 2018, 11:20:11 AM
Surely not Giugiaro?
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Post by: Allemano on December 31, 2018, 11:24:15 AM
Quote from: Carnut on December 31, 2018, 11:20:11 AM
Surely not Giugiaro?
Not him
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Post by: Carnut on December 31, 2018, 01:08:40 PM
Thought not..
But an Italian designer working for a Carrozzeria?
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Post by: ChanceHuncha on January 01, 2019, 01:03:58 AM
Marcello Gandini?

(First Post of 2019?! Nice!)
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Post by: gte4289 on January 01, 2019, 01:06:42 AM
Quote from: ChanceHuncha on January 01, 2019, 01:03:58 AM
Marcello Gandini?

(First Post of 2019?! Nice!)
Congratulations on the first post of 2019! Not my puzzle, but according to Reply #3 above, this was not the work of Gandini.

[Edit: It was clearly "inspired by" Gandini's work with Bertone, however.]
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Post by: gte4289 on January 01, 2019, 01:50:20 AM
Was this, perhaps, an internal proposal by Ermanno Cressoni/Centro Stile del Biscione?
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Post by: Allemano on January 01, 2019, 12:39:53 PM
Obviousely inspired by Gandini's concepts it's not designed/built by an Italian at all.
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Post by: Allemano on January 01, 2019, 12:40:09 PM
Quote from: gte4289 on January 01, 2019, 01:50:20 AM
Was this, perhaps, an internal proposal by Ermanno Cressoni/Centro Stile del Biscione?
No
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Post by: Carnut on January 01, 2019, 05:29:03 PM
Is it just a scale model or was a full-size car actually built?
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Post by: Allemano on January 01, 2019, 05:52:03 PM
Quote from: Carnut on January 01, 2019, 05:29:03 PM
Is it just a scale model or was a full-size car actually built?
I guess it didn't left the scale model stage
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Post by: Carnut on January 03, 2019, 03:45:40 AM
Is it South American?
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Post by: Allemano on January 03, 2019, 07:14:11 AM
Quote from: Carnut on January 03, 2019, 03:45:40 AM
Is it South American?
Tour around the world part I  ;) : not South American
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Post by: gte4289 on January 03, 2019, 05:03:47 PM
Central European?
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Post by: Allemano on January 03, 2019, 05:38:16 PM
Quote from: gte4289 on January 03, 2019, 05:03:47 PM
Central European?
Yes!
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Post by: gte4289 on January 03, 2019, 06:55:54 PM
Quote from: Allemano on January 03, 2019, 05:38:16 PM
Quote from: gte4289 on January 03, 2019, 05:03:47 PM
Central European?
Yes!
Any connection to Zbigniew Wattson?
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Post by: Allemano on January 04, 2019, 05:11:31 AM
No connection
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Post by: Allemano on January 04, 2019, 05:27:06 AM
Quote from: gte4289 on January 03, 2019, 05:03:47 PM
Central European?
I'm afraid I got the definition of 'Central European' wrong, so I have to correct myself to "NO, it's not Central European!" according to most official definitions.
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Post by: gte4289 on January 04, 2019, 10:25:39 AM
Sbarro?
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Post by: Allemano on January 04, 2019, 11:52:48 AM
Quote from: gte4289 on January 04, 2019, 10:25:39 AM
Sbarro?
No
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Post by: D-type on January 05, 2019, 03:39:26 PM
Quote from: Allemano on January 04, 2019, 05:27:06 AM
Quote from: gte4289 on January 03, 2019, 05:03:47 PM
Central European?
I'm afraid I got the definition of 'Central European' wrong, so I have to correct myself to "NO, it's not Central European!" according to most official definitions.
Is it Southern European then?
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Post by: Allemano on January 05, 2019, 03:47:03 PM
Quote from: D-type on January 05, 2019, 03:39:26 PM
Is it Southern European then?
No
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Post by: D-type on January 05, 2019, 05:24:08 PM
A Baltic state?
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Post by: Allemano on January 05, 2019, 05:38:52 PM
Quote from: D-type on January 05, 2019, 05:24:08 PM
A Baltic state?
Not Baltic either
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Post by: Allemano on January 09, 2019, 04:51:36 AM
Pros know their geography?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 09, 2019, 04:54:47 AM
Is it from Germany?
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Post by: Allemano on January 09, 2019, 05:43:41 AM
Quote from: pnegyesi on January 09, 2019, 04:54:47 AM
Is it from Germany?
No.
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Post by: oko94 on January 09, 2019, 07:15:04 AM
From a former Warsaw Pact country ?
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Post by: Allemano on January 09, 2019, 07:27:27 AM
Quote from: oko94 on January 09, 2019, 07:15:04 AM
From a former Warsaw Pact country ?
No
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 09, 2019, 07:33:01 AM
from Austria?
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Post by: Allemano on January 09, 2019, 07:37:02 AM
Quote from: pnegyesi on January 09, 2019, 07:33:01 AM
from Austria?
No
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Post by: oko94 on January 09, 2019, 07:47:31 AM
Made in a former Yugoslavian country ?
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Post by: Allemano on January 09, 2019, 08:00:18 AM
Quote from: oko94 on January 09, 2019, 07:47:31 AM
Made in a former Yugoslavian country ?
Not that either
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Post by: oko94 on January 09, 2019, 08:11:30 AM
From Scandinavia ?
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Post by: Allemano on January 09, 2019, 08:28:20 AM
Quote from: oko94 on January 09, 2019, 08:11:30 AM
From Scandinavia ?
No
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Post by: oko94 on January 09, 2019, 08:31:47 AM
From Benelux ?
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Post by: Allemano on January 09, 2019, 08:34:28 AM
Quote from: oko94 on January 09, 2019, 08:31:47 AM
From Benelux ?
No
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Post by: oko94 on January 09, 2019, 08:35:38 AM
From Switzerland ?
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Post by: Allemano on January 09, 2019, 08:40:50 AM
Quote from: oko94 on January 09, 2019, 08:35:38 AM
From Switzerland ?
No
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Post by: oko94 on January 09, 2019, 08:46:17 AM
From Finland ?
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Post by: Djetset on January 09, 2019, 08:50:52 AM
British ?
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Post by: Allemano on January 09, 2019, 08:51:53 AM
Quote from: oko94 on January 09, 2019, 08:46:17 AM
From Finland ?
You're right Finland is not part of Scandinavia, but the car is not from there either..  ;D
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Post by: Allemano on January 09, 2019, 08:52:04 AM
Quote from: Djetset on January 09, 2019, 08:50:52 AM
British ?
No
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Post by: Wendax on January 09, 2019, 08:52:47 AM
French?
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Post by: Djetset on January 09, 2019, 08:55:12 AM
Italian ?
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Post by: Allemano on January 09, 2019, 09:00:40 AM
Quote from: Wendax on January 09, 2019, 08:52:47 AM
French?
Yes! Easy, isn't it?  ;D
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Post by: oko94 on January 09, 2019, 09:18:49 AM
Period design, or modern creation in the style of late 60s / early 70s concepts ?
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Post by: Djetset on January 09, 2019, 09:22:45 AM
By Tonny Russell ?
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Post by: gte4289 on January 09, 2019, 09:39:51 AM
Heuliez?
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Post by: Allemano on January 09, 2019, 10:38:18 AM
Quote from: oko94 on January 09, 2019, 09:18:49 AM
Period design, or modern creation in the style of late 60s / early 70s concepts ?
period design
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Post by: Allemano on January 09, 2019, 10:38:42 AM
neither Russell nor Heuliez
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 09, 2019, 10:49:13 AM
Well-known designer?
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Post by: gte4289 on January 09, 2019, 11:07:56 AM
Established studio effort, or the work of an individual/independent designer?
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Post by: oko94 on January 09, 2019, 11:59:12 AM
Jacques Cooper ?
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Post by: Allemano on January 09, 2019, 12:00:01 PM
Quote from: pnegyesi on January 09, 2019, 10:49:13 AM
Well-known designer?
I'd say yes.
Quote from: gte4289 on January 09, 2019, 11:07:56 AM
Established studio effort, or the work of an individual/independent designer?
As far as I know independent at that time
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Post by: Allemano on January 09, 2019, 12:00:50 PM
Quote from: oko94 on January 09, 2019, 11:59:12 AM
Jacques Cooper ?
Not him
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Post by: Djetset on January 09, 2019, 12:17:21 PM
Patrick Le Quement ?
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Post by: Allemano on January 09, 2019, 12:18:06 PM
Quote from: Djetset on January 09, 2019, 12:17:21 PM
Patrick Le Quement ?
No
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Post by: Djetset on January 09, 2019, 12:19:28 PM
Surely not the talented Robert Opron?
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Post by: oko94 on January 09, 2019, 12:26:47 PM
Michel Jardin ?
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Post by: gte4289 on January 09, 2019, 12:36:28 PM
Paul Bracq?
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Post by: Allemano on January 09, 2019, 12:46:23 PM
Not Bracq, not Jardin and not Opron
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Post by: Carnut on January 09, 2019, 12:54:20 PM
Perhaps Trevor Fiore at his Paris studio?
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Post by: Allemano on January 09, 2019, 12:58:09 PM
Quote from: Carnut on January 09, 2019, 12:54:20 PM
Perhaps Trevor Fiore at his Paris studio?
No
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Post by: oko94 on January 09, 2019, 02:52:32 PM
Robert Broyer ?
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Post by: gte4289 on January 09, 2019, 02:54:14 PM
William Towns?
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Post by: Allemano on January 09, 2019, 05:01:29 PM
Not Broyer
Not Towns


The designer was French!
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Post by: oko94 on January 09, 2019, 06:38:33 PM
Has this designer worked in the design department of a major French car manufacturer ?
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Post by: Allemano on January 10, 2019, 02:36:37 AM
Quote from: oko94 on January 09, 2019, 06:38:33 PM
Has this designer worked in the design department of a major French car manufacturer ?
Yes he has!
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Post by: gte4289 on January 10, 2019, 03:42:19 AM
Gérard Godfroy?
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Post by: Allemano on January 10, 2019, 03:49:22 AM
Quote from: gte4289 on January 10, 2019, 03:42:19 AM
Gérard Godfroy?
YES!
Locked for you to tell me the correct year!
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Post by: gte4289 on January 10, 2019, 11:31:33 AM
Quote from: Allemano on January 10, 2019, 03:49:22 AM
Quote from: gte4289 on January 10, 2019, 03:42:19 AM
Gérard Godfroy?
YES!
Locked for you to tell me the correct year!
Godfroy was applying for work in 1978. I imagine this could have been created during that time as a way to showcase his talent. Perhaps the apparent lack of creativity (strong resemblance to earlier work by Gandini/Bertone/Giugiaro/etc) contributed to the turn-downs he received from Citroen and others?
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Post by: Allemano on January 10, 2019, 01:47:30 PM
Not 1978
One more try!
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Post by: gte4289 on January 10, 2019, 07:54:48 PM
Quote from: Allemano on January 10, 2019, 01:47:30 PM
Not 1978
One more try!
I was mistaken; it was in 1975 that Godfroy was looking for employment with several large companies. (He was finally hired by Peugeot in February, 1976.) However, he had kept himself busy creating designs throughout 1973-74, so the potential gap ranges from 1973-1975. Hmm...

As this design reflects the influences of Gandini/Bertone's Alfa Romeo Carabo (1968), Lancia Stratos Zero (1970) and Lamborghini LP500 (1971) (and possibly Giugiaro's Maserati Boomerang of 1971), and looks as though it could be contemporary with the Lamborghini Bravo (Gandini/Bertone, 1974), I'm going to go with 1974.
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Post by: Allemano on January 11, 2019, 02:30:33 AM
These two pics are from the 1975 publication of "L'Auto-Journal – Salon de l'Auto", so I think that Godfroy's design is from this year, but of course it could also be from one of the years before.
As I don't know exactly I don't want to be too picky with gte4289's reply and give him the point.  ;) 
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Post by: gte4289 on January 11, 2019, 03:11:15 AM
Quote from: Allemano on January 11, 2019, 02:30:33 AM
These two pics are from the 1975 publication of "L'Auto-Journal – Salon de l'Auto", so I think that Godfroy's design is from this year, but of course it could also be from one of the years before.
As I don't exactly know I don't want to be too picky with gte4289's reply and give him the point. ;)

Thank you!

(Note Bertone's Bravo is also depicted on that cover, even though it made its debut at the Salone dell'Automobile di Torino in 1974.)
Title: Re: Solved: Allemano's comeback 2nd - 1975 Alfa Romeo 33 concept by Gérard Godfroy
Post by: Allemano on January 11, 2019, 03:20:23 AM
Gmachmeir's NSU R80 concept (picture at the top) was presented at Geneva in 1975.
Title: Re: Solved: Allemano's comeback 2nd - 1975 Alfa Romeo 33 concept by Gérard Godfroy
Post by: Carnut on January 11, 2019, 04:05:48 AM
Is the puzzle car pictured anywhere on the internet?
Even with the full answer I haven't been able to find it.  There is a short biography of Godfroy's career in auto design but there's no mention at all of this car!
Title: Re: Solved: Allemano's comeback 2nd - 1975 Alfa Romeo 33 concept by Gérard Godfroy
Post by: Allemano on January 11, 2019, 04:08:58 AM
Quote from: Carnut on January 11, 2019, 04:05:48 AM
Is the puzzle car pictured anywhere on the internet?
Even with the full answer I haven't been able to find it.  There is a short biography of Godfroy's career in auto design but there's no mention at all of this car!
I wasn't able to find it on the internet either. It's from that French catalogue I've mentioned and haven't seen it anywhere else. There's a short caption of that pic I can add later if you like!
Title: Re: Solved: Allemano's comeback 2nd - 1975 Alfa Romeo 33 concept by Gérard Godfroy
Post by: Carnut on January 11, 2019, 11:57:52 AM
Yes, thanks.
I can use my schoolboy French!
Title: Re: Solved: Allemano's comeback 2nd - 1975 Alfa Romeo 33 concept by Gérard Godfroy
Post by: Arunas on January 12, 2019, 01:11:44 AM
It's just a scale model right?
Title: Re: Solved: Allemano's comeback 2nd - 1975 Alfa Romeo 33 concept by Gérard Godfroy
Post by: Allemano on January 12, 2019, 04:13:25 AM
Quote from: Carnut on January 11, 2019, 11:57:52 AM
Yes, thanks.
I can use my schoolboy French!
here it is. You probably recognize the car above, don't you? (no extra point for this...)
Title: Re: Solved: Allemano's comeback 2nd - 1975 Alfa Romeo 33 concept by Gérard Godfroy
Post by: Allemano on January 12, 2019, 04:19:59 AM
Quote from: Arunas on January 12, 2019, 01:11:44 AM
It's just a scale model right?
yes