And yet another one!
Tell me what it was ought to be (obvious..)
Who designed it and when?
Experts?
Looks like Bertone/Gandini.
But those look like Alfa 33 wheels.
Any progress there?
Quote from: Carnut on December 31, 2018, 07:10:27 AM
Looks like Bertone/Gandini.
But those look like Alfa 33 wheels.
Any progress there?
Alfa 33, yes, but not by Gandini or Bertone
Surely not Giugiaro?
Thought not..
But an Italian designer working for a Carrozzeria?
Marcello Gandini?
(First Post of 2019?! Nice!)
Quote from: ChanceHuncha on January 01, 2019, 01:03:58 AM
Marcello Gandini?
(First Post of 2019?! Nice!)
Congratulations on the first post of 2019! Not my puzzle, but according to Reply #3 above, this was not the work of Gandini.
[Edit: It was clearly "inspired by" Gandini's work with Bertone, however.]
Was this, perhaps, an internal proposal by Ermanno Cressoni/Centro Stile del Biscione?
Obviousely inspired by Gandini's concepts it's not designed/built by an Italian at all.
Quote from: gte4289 on January 01, 2019, 01:50:20 AM
Was this, perhaps, an internal proposal by Ermanno Cressoni/Centro Stile del Biscione?
No
Is it just a scale model or was a full-size car actually built?
Quote from: Carnut on January 01, 2019, 05:29:03 PM
Is it just a scale model or was a full-size car actually built?
I guess it didn't left the scale model stage
Is it South American?
Quote from: Carnut on January 03, 2019, 03:45:40 AM
Is it South American?
Tour around the world part I ;) : not South American
Central European?
No connection
Quote from: gte4289 on January 03, 2019, 05:03:47 PM
Central European?
I'm afraid I got the definition of 'Central European' wrong, so I have to correct myself to "NO, it's not
Central European!" according to most official definitions.
Sbarro?
Quote from: Allemano on January 04, 2019, 05:27:06 AM
Quote from: gte4289 on January 03, 2019, 05:03:47 PM
Central European?
I'm afraid I got the definition of 'Central European' wrong, so I have to correct myself to "NO, it's not Central European!" according to most official definitions.
Is it
Southern European then?
A Baltic state?
Pros know their geography?
Is it from Germany?
From a former Warsaw Pact country ?
from Austria?
Made in a former Yugoslavian country ?
Quote from: oko94 on January 09, 2019, 07:47:31 AM
Made in a former Yugoslavian country ?
Not that either
From Scandinavia ?
From Benelux ?
From Switzerland ?
From Finland ?
British ?
Quote from: oko94 on January 09, 2019, 08:46:17 AM
From Finland ?
You're right Finland is not part of Scandinavia, but the car is not from there either.. ;D
French?
Italian ?
Period design, or modern creation in the style of late 60s / early 70s concepts ?
By Tonny Russell ?
Heuliez?
Quote from: oko94 on January 09, 2019, 09:18:49 AM
Period design, or modern creation in the style of late 60s / early 70s concepts ?
period design
neither Russell nor Heuliez
Well-known designer?
Established studio effort, or the work of an individual/independent designer?
Jacques Cooper ?
Quote from: pnegyesi on January 09, 2019, 10:49:13 AM
Well-known designer?
I'd say yes.
Quote from: gte4289 on January 09, 2019, 11:07:56 AM
Established studio effort, or the work of an individual/independent designer?
As far as I know independent at that time
Patrick Le Quement ?
Surely not the talented Robert Opron?
Michel Jardin ?
Paul Bracq?
Not Bracq, not Jardin and not Opron
Perhaps Trevor Fiore at his Paris studio?
Robert Broyer ?
William Towns?
Not Broyer
Not Towns
The designer was French!
Has this designer worked in the design department of a major French car manufacturer ?
Quote from: oko94 on January 09, 2019, 06:38:33 PM
Has this designer worked in the design department of a major French car manufacturer ?
Yes he has!
Gérard Godfroy?
Quote from: gte4289 on January 10, 2019, 03:42:19 AM
Gérard Godfroy?
YES!
Locked for you to tell me the correct year!
Quote from: Allemano on January 10, 2019, 03:49:22 AM
Quote from: gte4289 on January 10, 2019, 03:42:19 AM
Gérard Godfroy?
YES!
Locked for you to tell me the correct year!
Godfroy was applying for work in 1978. I imagine this could have been created during that time as a way to showcase his talent. Perhaps the apparent lack of creativity (strong resemblance to earlier work by Gandini/Bertone/Giugiaro/etc) contributed to the turn-downs he received from Citroen and others?
Not 1978
One more try!
Quote from: Allemano on January 10, 2019, 01:47:30 PM
Not 1978
One more try!
I was mistaken; it was in 1975 that Godfroy was looking for employment with several large companies. (He was finally hired by Peugeot in February, 1976.) However, he had kept himself busy creating designs throughout 1973-74, so the potential gap ranges from 1973-1975. Hmm...
As this design reflects the influences of Gandini/Bertone's Alfa Romeo Carabo (1968), Lancia Stratos Zero (1970) and Lamborghini LP500 (1971) (and possibly Giugiaro's Maserati Boomerang of 1971), and looks as though it could be contemporary with the Lamborghini Bravo (Gandini/Bertone, 1974), I'm going to go with 1974.
These two pics are from the 1975 publication of "L'Auto-Journal – Salon de l'Auto", so I think that Godfroy's design is from this year, but of course it could also be from one of the years before.
As I don't know exactly I don't want to be too picky with gte4289's reply and give him the point. ;)
Quote from: Allemano on January 11, 2019, 02:30:33 AM
These two pics are from the 1975 publication of "L'Auto-Journal – Salon de l'Auto", so I think that Godfroy's design is from this year, but of course it could also be from one of the years before.
As I don't exactly know I don't want to be too picky with gte4289's reply and give him the point. ;)
Thank you!
(Note Bertone's Bravo is also depicted on that cover, even though it made its debut at the Salone dell'Automobile di Torino in 1974.)
Gmachmeir's NSU R80 concept (picture at the top) was presented at Geneva in 1975.
Is the puzzle car pictured anywhere on the internet?
Even with the full answer I haven't been able to find it. There is a short biography of Godfroy's career in auto design but there's no mention at all of this car!
Quote from: Carnut on January 11, 2019, 04:05:48 AM
Is the puzzle car pictured anywhere on the internet?
Even with the full answer I haven't been able to find it. There is a short biography of Godfroy's career in auto design but there's no mention at all of this car!
I wasn't able to find it on the internet either. It's from that French catalogue I've mentioned and haven't seen it anywhere else. There's a short caption of that pic I can add later if you like!
Yes, thanks.
I can use my schoolboy French!
It's just a scale model right?
Quote from: Carnut on January 11, 2019, 11:57:52 AM
Yes, thanks.
I can use my schoolboy French!
here it is. You probably recognize the car above, don't you? (no extra point for this...)