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Title: Solved NIC#1074 - Bugatti-Mercury (ex-E G Greenhall) (NOT PROVEN)
Post by: nicanary on May 19, 2019, 06:33:51 AM
What is this?
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: Lavrakas on May 20, 2019, 12:29:33 PM
It looks like a Riley Sprite, but presumably that would be too easy.
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: nicanary on May 20, 2019, 01:33:12 PM
Quote from: Lavrakas on May 20, 2019, 12:29:33 PM
It looks like a Riley Sprite, but presumably that would be too easy.

You're right! Not a Sprite, and more difficult to solve.
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: Lavrakas on May 22, 2019, 05:11:56 AM
Vincent MPH perhaps?
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: nicanary on May 22, 2019, 05:33:10 AM
Quote from: Lavrakas on May 22, 2019, 05:11:56 AM
Vincent MPH perhaps?

Not that.
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: nicanary on June 09, 2019, 06:40:40 AM
Experts?
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: FrontMan on June 09, 2019, 03:29:58 PM
Hector Dobbs' original MPH which he converted to racing spec.?
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: nicanary on June 09, 2019, 05:03:39 PM
Quote from: FrontMan on June 09, 2019, 03:29:58 PM
Hector Dobbs' original MPH which he converted to racing spec.?

No.
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: Lavrakas on June 10, 2019, 07:22:11 AM
Or what is called the Fencers-Mask Sprite 2-seater special which was shown at the 1935 Olympia Motor Show which technically was a modified MPH with a 12-4 engine?
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: nicanary on June 10, 2019, 08:22:01 AM
Quote from: Lavrakas on June 10, 2019, 07:22:11 AM
Or what is called the Fencers-Mask Sprite 2-seater special which was shown at the 1935 Olympia Motor Show which technically was a modified MPH with a 12-4 engine?

No Riley connection.
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: FrontMan on June 10, 2019, 01:02:28 PM
Maserati?
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: nicanary on June 10, 2019, 02:04:13 PM
Quote from: FrontMan on June 10, 2019, 01:02:28 PM
Maserati?

No.
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: richard cuyler on June 15, 2019, 12:32:47 PM
British engine and coachwork?
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: nicanary on June 15, 2019, 01:37:39 PM
Quote from: richard cuyler on June 15, 2019, 12:32:47 PM
British engine and coachwork?

Constructed in the UK but not a British engine or chassis.
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: studhamsmudger on June 15, 2019, 06:12:15 PM
Alta?
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: nicanary on June 16, 2019, 06:07:08 AM
Quote from: studhamsmudger on June 15, 2019, 06:12:15 PM
Alta?

No. Not a British chassis or engine.
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: D-type on June 16, 2019, 06:20:59 AM
A Frazer Nash - BMW?
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: nicanary on June 16, 2019, 06:25:28 AM
Quote from: D-type on June 16, 2019, 06:20:59 AM
A Frazer Nash - BMW?

No connection.
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: tobytwirl on June 20, 2019, 03:32:59 PM
Any Maserati connection?
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: nicanary on June 20, 2019, 04:00:06 PM
Quote from: tobytwirl on June 20, 2019, 03:32:59 PM
Any Maserati connection?

No.
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: D-type on June 20, 2019, 04:17:59 PM
Fiat-based
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: nicanary on June 20, 2019, 05:03:42 PM
Quote from: D-type on June 20, 2019, 04:17:59 PM
Fiat-based

No.
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: tobytwirl on June 22, 2019, 08:33:39 AM
Is it European?
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: jimjarron on June 22, 2019, 11:10:31 AM
A shot in the dark: an Alfa Romeo 6C with a body by Corsica?
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: nicanary on June 22, 2019, 11:59:15 AM
No Alfa connection. It is a European chassis with the engine from another continent.
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: D-type on June 22, 2019, 01:24:16 PM
Is the engine from Australia?
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: tobytwirl on June 22, 2019, 02:43:32 PM
Is the engine from the USA?
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: tobytwirl on June 22, 2019, 03:06:26 PM
Is it a pre-war car?
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: nicanary on June 22, 2019, 03:28:35 PM
It's an American engine. I don't know the exact date that this car was re-engined, but I think it is almost certainly post-war.

The chassis is pre-war.
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: tobytwirl on June 22, 2019, 04:04:51 PM
Hudson engine?
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: tobytwirl on June 22, 2019, 04:06:27 PM
Lancia chassis?
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: nicanary on June 22, 2019, 05:25:14 PM
Neither Hudson nor Lancia.
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: tobytwirl on June 22, 2019, 07:48:08 PM
Looks too small for a Lincoln V12 but it's not a Ford V8 is it?
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: tobytwirl on June 22, 2019, 07:49:14 PM
Is the chassis French?
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: nicanary on June 23, 2019, 05:48:19 AM
A double-whammy! Yes the engine is Ford, or sort of , so I'm sure you'll soon work out the make. Plus the chassis IS French.

Not long now... LOCKED for Tobytwirl.
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: tobytwirl on June 23, 2019, 01:05:06 PM
I cannot find this car,so I
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: tobytwirl on June 23, 2019, 01:35:09 PM
I cannot find this car, so I have to guess. The engine is probably a Mercury V8 but the chassis is more problematic. The car looks quite small so unlikely to be a Delage, Delahaye or Talbot Lago chassis, but those brake drums are big - suggesting a bigger car perhaps with a shortened chassis, or an ex competition car. I'll try Salmson.
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: nicanary on June 23, 2019, 02:56:50 PM
Quote from: tobytwirl on June 23, 2019, 01:35:09 PM
I cannot find this car, so I have to guess. The engine is probably a Mercury V8 but the chassis is more problematic. The car looks quite small so unlikely to be a Delage, Delahaye or Talbot Lago chassis, but those brake drums are big - suggesting a bigger car perhaps with a shortened chassis, or an ex competition car. I'll try Salmson.

Yes, the engine is a Mercury.  It's not a Salmson but it is indeed a former racing car. Still locked for you - it's easier than you think.
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: tobytwirl on June 23, 2019, 04:01:03 PM
Bugatti?
Title: Re: NIC#1074
Post by: nicanary on June 23, 2019, 04:10:41 PM
Quote from: tobytwirl on June 23, 2019, 04:01:03 PM
Bugatti?

Indeed. You got there.

It was advertised for sale in the 1950s as the ex-E G Greenhall Bugatti-Mercury and was a Type 35B fitted with a 4375cc Mercury engine. I think it's a lovely-looking thing.
Title: Re: Solved NIC#1074 - Bugatti-Mercury (ex-E G Greenhall)
Post by: tobytwirl on June 23, 2019, 05:30:00 PM
Agreed -  I wonder where it is now?
Title: Re: Solved NIC#1074 - Bugatti-Mercury (ex-E G Greenhall)
Post by: Wendax on June 24, 2019, 02:16:19 AM
They probably took the engine and reconstructed a Mercury around it, or something in that manner...  ;D
Title: Re: Solved NIC#1074 - Bugatti-Mercury (ex-E G Greenhall)
Post by: nicanary on June 24, 2019, 04:47:42 AM
Quote from: Wendax on June 24, 2019, 02:16:19 AM
They probably took the engine and reconstructed a Mercury around it, or something in that manner...  ;D

There was at least one other of this type in the 1950s because records show one driven by T G Moore. Unless it was the same car of course. We'll never know.
Title: Re: Solved NIC#1074 - Bugatti-Mercury (ex-E G Greenhall)
Post by: tobytwirl on June 24, 2019, 11:24:17 AM
Do you have any more photos of the car, it is virtually identical to a Riley Sprite from the side.
Title: Re: Solved NIC#1074 - Bugatti-Mercury (ex-E G Greenhall)
Post by: nicanary on June 24, 2019, 12:05:47 PM
Quote from: tobytwirl on June 24, 2019, 11:24:17 AM
Do you have any more photos of the car, it is virtually identical to a Riley Sprite from the side.

No, unfortunately. The puzzle image was taken from a period advertisement, and there is always the chance that the garage sent the wrong copy to the printers. I am sadly aware of that. I must admit it is a bit dubious, and I have taken the ad as fact in good faith. Then there's the possibility that the builder married a Sprite body to the Bugatti chassis. The possibilities, whilst not endless, are there for us all to muse over.

I think I'll put a proviso on the puzzle heading.

PS I've just re-checked the ad. It was by Chiltern Cars, who always had an interesting and eclectic range of stock. The ad did not contain any other cars which were not pictured which would fit the bill of a Riley, if you follow my drift. I had wondered whether they had submitted the copy for the Bugatti-Mercury incorrectly attached to a photo of a Sprite, but it appears not.