Please respond below if you know the make and model designation of this car. Who built the body?
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Rochdale Olympic?
No.
Based on an XK Jag?
No.
Based on a mass-produced British car?
For the technical base: yes.
Anything to do with Kieft?
Nothing, I'm afraid.
MG underneath?
No.
Triumph-based?
Yes.
Butterfield TR3A?
not that.
SLR?
no
Spencer Special?
No.
Pros?
known make & known coachbuilder...
Is / was the coachbuilder in the UK?
According to my source it wasn't from the UK.
Stabilimenti Farina body?
Italian, but not Farina bodied.
Castagna bodied Triumph?
Neither... nor..
Conrero?
Not tuned by Conrero...
Motto?
We haven't played that game for quite a while.. ;D.
Not Motto!
I'm getting a Cisitalia vibe....
It has nothing to do with Cisitialia.
Vignale bodywork?
Could it be the ill-fated Triumph Atom, by Michelotti?
Quote from: Carnut on October 15, 2010, 11:39:00 AM
Could it be the ill-fated Triumph Atom, by Michelotti?
No, it cannot.
It´s an Italian bodied Triumph right?
Quote from: João on October 15, 2010, 12:10:10 PM
It´s an Italian bodied Triumph right?
No, it's not a Triumph, it's Triumph
based!
And according to its owner the body was made by an Italian coachbuilder.
Thanks ;)
Viotti?
Not Viotti.
Colli?
Zagato?
I figured I'd start at the other end of the alphabet, and work backward. ;D
Is the Triumph connection with a motorcycle, vs. an automobile?
There're Triumph car mechanics underneath. It's not so obscure!
The engine?
The engine was taken from Triumph.
Body by Boano?
Oh, you jumped to the other end of the alphabet. However it's not Boano,
but you're getting closer.
BTW: they took not only the engine from Triumph.
Time for a color pic:
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g106/pan1968/9da376ac.jpg)
Ghia-Monviso?
Quote from: João on October 15, 2010, 03:39:52 PM
Ghia-Monviso?
Now you only need the name of the car brand to save your point!
MG?
Italian brand?
Armstrong-Siddeley ???
British sports car like Austin-Healey?
Yes, though it's not Austin Healey.
I still think starts with A.... AC Aceca?
Not an AC..
Daimler Dart?
Not one of those.
:doh: From 50s?
Yes!
Allard?
Not Allard.
I think there are still some possibilities left to narrow it down.
Bristol?
Are there any fifties Bristols with Triumph engine? However... it's not one of those
1955 Ghia-Swallow, chassis #1209...
Quote from: Aaron65 on October 16, 2010, 04:11:57 PM
1955 Ghia-Swallow, chassis #1209...
It's indeed the 1955 registerd Swallow-Doretti first owned by John Reginald.
A well deserved point for Aaron65. :applause:
Did you know it or have you searched for it?
I saw all the guesses and knew that Swallows used Triumph mechanicals, and nobody had guessed it, so a quick search revealed that exact picture!
Quote from: Aaron65 on October 16, 2010, 04:15:00 PM
I saw all the guesses and knew that Swallows used Triumph mechanicals, and nobody had guessed it, so a quick search revealed that exact picture!
:thumbsup:
Congratulations Aaron65 !! :)
I'm convinced we've had this one before, but I can find no record of it!
So here it is (again?!) - what is it, by whom, from when - for 1 point?:
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Experts?
Happy new year
Bristol base?
Quote from: frederick59 on January 02, 2015, 09:48:18 AM
Happy new year
Bristol base?
Thanks!
No, not Bristol-based.
Allard?
Morgan?
Is it British at all?
Aston Martin, and yes I think I have seen that picture before....
Quote from: gilescooperuk on January 17, 2015, 05:21:42 AM
Aston Martin, and yes I think I have seen that picture before....
It's not an Aston..
Frazer-Nash?
Quote from: frederick59 on January 20, 2015, 05:23:38 PM
Frazer-Nash?
Good guess and it does look a bit like a FN Continental, but no, it's not a Frazer-Nash.
Should last about 5 minutes with the Pro's...
So you thought..........
I know it's not a Gilbern, but I can't get it out of my head. So is it a rebodied MGA?
I have that very pic somewhere!
Turner?
Not a Gilbern, an MGA or a Turner..
Custom built project or by a (known) maker?
It's a Swallow Doretti, isn't it? I can't remember who built it though
Aaaarghh....there it was!
I'll consider it locked and won't reply!
Thanks PJ, yes I was about to reply to you and lock it for Barrett to say who is said to have been behind the bodywork and from when it dates.
Something in my memory is saying 'Ghia' but I'm not entirely convinced (as I wasn't the last time this was a puzzle!)
Year? 1954?
Quote from: barrett on February 03, 2015, 08:44:57 AM
Something in my memory is saying 'Ghia' but I'm not entirely convinced (as I wasn't the last time this was a puzzle!)
Year? 1954?
Yes, Ghia is who is said to have designed (and built?) it but there does seem to be a bit of doubt about that.
1955 actually but we won't quibble!
It's S/N 1209 and Registration Number RLT 59.
How come I can't find the original puzzle? There was one I'm sure! Did you have any luck?
The old hyphen trick again: http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=13661.0
Quote from: Wendax on February 03, 2015, 10:11:20 AM
The old hyphen trick again: http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=13661.0
Aargh.. I thought I'd been clever this time and only searched using 'Doretti'...
Merged now.
What's this car and who built it, for 1 point?:
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Bits of Michelotto's XK but not too sure...
Quote from: Spazmatron206 on December 20, 2018, 07:01:07 AM
Bits of Michelotto's XK bit not too sure...
Welcome to AutoPuzzles.
I can see exactly what you mean, but theres no relationship at all!
Experts?
Saab?
Aston Martin connection?
AC Cobra connection?
No x 2 (and only one question at once Mogul, please remember!)
Triumph connection?
Isn't this the supposedly Ghia-bodied Swallow Doretti? I'm sure we've had this as a puzzle before, but a long time ago...
Sorry Mogul, the answer would have been that there is some connection but:
Quote from: barrett on January 04, 2019, 05:15:42 AM
Isn't this the supposedly Ghia-bodied Swallow Doretti? I'm sure we've had this as a puzzle before, but a long time ago...
Yes it is, so you get another point for solving it again!
I couldn't actually find the original puzzle (the hyphen problem again...) so I posted it again.
I should perhaps have used the picture below instead which might have made it a bit harder..
There was an article about the car in the December issue of
Classic & Sports Car, but it didn't really have any new information about it. It still belongs to the guy who acquired it in 2004 but whilst he has restored the chassis and running gear he's reluctant to spend any time or money on the body unless he can find proof that it was actually built by Ghia. Whilst I can't see that it could possibly be anything else proof of provenance is everything of course so without that it would never achieve its full value, but all the same I personally would restore it as it's a wonderful example of a one-off of a very rare car from the 1950s so is well worth preserving whoever originally built it.
Puzzle merged again...
Prettier, and much more interesting, than a standard Doretti and definitely worth saving
Would be so nice if there were some papers/documents or badges to prove the Ghia connection. Alas it's not mentioned in any of the sources about Ghia as far as I know. Don't have access to the Ghia Catalogue Raisonné, but think it's not to find there either.
Quote from: Allemano on January 04, 2019, 08:31:09 AM
.... Don't have access to the Ghia Catalogue Raisonné, but think it's not to find there either.
Your assumption is right!
Of course it's quite possible that it was nothing to do with Ghia at all.
Looking at the shape of the car it doesn't really have the grace and cohesion one would normally associate with Ghia.
There has apparently never been any official record of a chassis being sent to Ghia and since there's no mention at all of this car in any book, historical or otherwise, about Ghia then I would say it could have been made by some fairly obscure English coachbuilder.
Just speculating!
Quote from: Carnut on January 04, 2019, 11:28:10 AM
Of course it's quite possible that it was nothing to do with Ghia at all.
Looking at the shape of the car it doesn't really have the grace and cohesion one would normally associate with Ghia.
(...)
There quite some cars by Ghia which don't have that elegance and perfect balanced shape either. (Ghia MG TF "Everest", Bugatti 57, MB 300, etc.)
Not to mention that it could be potentially made by Ghia Aigle*, not Ghia Turin. :idea:
*look at their 1950 Jowett Jupiter
Yes, I was just airing one possibility..
It may well have been done by Ghia-Aigle; they did body a few British cars in the 1950s.
Quote from: Carnut on January 05, 2019, 07:23:16 AM
Yes, I was just airing one possibility..
It may well have been done by Ghia-Aigle; they did body a few British cars in the 1950s.
Bad news.. According to Stefan Dierkes of ghia-aigle.info there was never a Swallow Doretti bodied by Ghia-Aigle, so, the search goes on.