Hop on the bus, Gus!
For one point, please respond and identify this bus by telling the chassis maker and the coachbuilder.
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Is it a Borgward bus bodied by Puppe in the 40's ?
Sorry, neither Borgward nor Puppe and probably not 40's.
but german ?
Yes
M.A.N based ?
No
Henschel ?
No
Krupp?
No
Magirus-Deutz ?
No
Mercedes-Benz ?
Yes, that was the easy part. ;D
with a german bodywork ?
Yes
Body by FKF-Werke, Frankfurt?
No
I think that the bodybuilder is not one of this list : Auwärter/Bauer/Credé/Drögmöller/Gastell/Gaubschat/Harmening/Kässbohrer/Ludewig/Rathgeber/Recklinghausen/Reutter/Steib/Trutz/Vetter
Am I right ?
I think this is a new version of Erbas. ;)
Let me put it this way: if I understood your question like "Was it built by a well-known coachbuilder?", I would answer "no". But I must say that your list consists of many well-known and some obscure coachbuilders - without saying that it is one of them.
OK First shot in the dark : Credé ?
No
Gastell ?
No
FAKA ?
No
Gastell ?
:shakehead:
Is it the same model as the KOM 84 from 1952 of the Erfurter Verkehrs Betriebe shown by Drehscheibe?
Quote from: pguillem on September 26, 2011, 05:28:06 PM
Is it the same model as the KOM 84 from 1952 of the Erfurter Verkehrs Betriebe shown by Drehscheibe?
There is a certain similarity, but the puzzle bus has nothing to do with Erfurt.
Oh boy ! Trutz ?
No
(I think this puzzle will last for a while....)
Quote from: Wendax on September 28, 2011, 02:49:43 PM
No
(I think this puzzle will last for a while....)
I feel this also, as I don't know which coachbuilder it can be. Maybe the Pros know better ?
I am not satisfied :yuck:
i found the photo bus on the net ; but the name is too small !
How did you find that picture? Google Search by Image?
If so, I'm not satisfied either. :yuck:
You may answer per PM, if you like.
No :noid:
In the same book on ebay
than the Mercedes Wickenbrock (JPG#172 ) !
That's fine. ;D
Will the Pros know?
Ottenbacher / Biberach?
Oh, it might also be a Ludewig body...
Quote from: grobmotorix on October 14, 2011, 06:04:57 PM
Oh, it might also be a Ludewig body...
Not by such a well known coachbuilder
If you follow the hint SACO gave, perhaps you may be able to recognize the coachbuilder's name. It isn't impossible.
The name "Heideperle" shown on the original pic could indicate that it's built near the Lüneburger Heide. I vaguely can spot a coachworking company starting with a "W" and maybe 5 or 6 characters.
I found a still existing truck coachbuilder called "Wille", resident in Lüneburg which is in business since 1895.
Not that likely, but could it be them?
Very well spotted. It is Wille. But after my generous hint there has to be a little challenge. I'll give you the point if you can tell me where they were located when they built this bus. Locked for you.
I was able to identify something like "Hamburg" or "Harburg" and after googling "Karosseriewerk Wille" AND "Hamburg" I've found the words I could not read: "Fleestedt" and "über".
So, Wille was located at Fleestedt über Hamburg according to Omnibusarchiv, but "Fleestadt bei Hamburg" seems to be more correct.
Fleestedt is correct. Fleestedt is now a part of Seevetal. The Wille factory existed there until a few years ago, when it was demolished to make place for some family homes. All that is left there is the old office building and a new street called "Stellmacherei" (Wheelwright workshop). From time to time one could see some interesting cars there like a Volkswagen Corrado convertible or a Bitter Type 3, since sometimes they were involved in prototype coachbuilding. "Fleestedt über Hamburg" is an old expression for the fact that mail heading for Fleestedt had to go to the Hamburg post office first.
Please identify brand, model, coachbuilder and year for a point
Experts?
Borgward
Early 1950s Borgward BO 4500 by [edit] Trutz-Coburg?
not a Borgward
not by Trutz
Büssing
no
MAN MKN with coachwork by Puppe?
not a Man, not from Puppe.
West Germany
yes
Professionals?
Opel Blitz by Emmelmann?
not an Opel, not by Emmelmann
Ford chassis?
no
Vomag by Fleischer ?
neither Vomag nor Fleischer
Prewar chassis?
no
Mercedes-Benz chassis?
Krupp ?
so far so good, this was based on a Mercedes, an O 5000 to be precise
Now let's turn our attention to the coachbuilder :)
From Lower Saxony?
no
Esselmann?
no
Did the coachbuilder come from North-Rhine-Westphalia?
Fahrzeugwerke Recklinghausen?
Drögmöller ?
3 times no, including not from North-Rhine-Westphalia
From Hesse?
no
From Northern Germany (which leaves Hamburg, Bremen and Schleswig-Holstein)?
Hamburg
It is not Wille, isn't it? That coachbuilder was located in Fleestedt in Lower Saxony, but as it was close to Hamburg, it was sometimes referred to as Fleestedt über Hamburg.
:) :)
It seems to have been puzzled long ago as a Mercedes-Benz 130PS.
And it was my own puzzle... :bag:
I wll merge them and alter the title.
The image was so tiny that I coudn't recognize it. :bag: