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Title: Solved TGF-A1: Fiat 1100 EL Carrozzeria Zanella, 1951
Post by: targhediferro on February 12, 2019, 03:25:20 AM

After quite a long time I'm back with a new quiz: I want to know make, model and coachbuild of this nice wagon.

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Post by: Carnut on February 12, 2019, 06:13:26 AM

Looks American... But is it actually Italian?

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Post by: targhediferro on February 12, 2019, 06:30:33 AM

Yes, it's italian.

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Post by: gte4289 on February 12, 2019, 07:50:28 AM

Quote from: targhediferro on February 12, 2019, 03:25:20 AM
I want to know make, model and coachbuild of this nice wagon.

Lancia Aurelia giardinetta by Scioneri?

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Post by: Carnut on February 12, 2019, 09:37:17 AM

Viotti Fiat 1500 Giardinetta 1949?

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Post by: targhediferro on February 12, 2019, 10:26:23 AM

Quote from: gte4289 on February 12, 2019, 07:50:28 AM
Quote from: targhediferro on February 12, 2019, 03:25:20 AM
I want to know make, model and coachbuild of this nice wagon.
Lancia Aurelia giardinetta by Scioneri?

Not Aurelia and not Scioneri.

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Post by: targhediferro on February 12, 2019, 10:27:09 AM

Quote from: Carnut on February 12, 2019, 09:37:17 AM
Viotti Fiat 1500 Giardinetta 1949?

It's a Fiat but not 1500, not Viotti and not 1949.

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Post by: Carnut on February 12, 2019, 11:34:43 AM

Fiat 1400 by Boneschi?

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Post by: thorax on February 12, 2019, 12:25:58 PM

welcome back TdF!
Fiat 1100 underneath?

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Post by: targhediferro on February 12, 2019, 01:49:00 PM

It's a 1100....not Boneschi.

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Post by: Carnut on February 12, 2019, 02:52:41 PM

Monterosa?

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Post by: targhediferro on February 12, 2019, 04:41:55 PM

Not Monterosa.

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Post by: Carnut on February 13, 2019, 04:05:17 AM

Fissore?

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Post by: targhediferro on February 13, 2019, 05:14:08 AM

Boneschi
Monterosa
Viotti
Scioneri
Fissore

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Post by: Carnut on February 13, 2019, 08:41:06 AM

Drugs?

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Post by: targhediferro on February 13, 2019, 09:22:20 AM

Boneschi
Monterosa
Viotti
Scioneri
Fissore
Drugs

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Post by: Carnut on February 13, 2019, 12:10:23 PM

Drugs?! That's what happens when you connect on the phone since my computer will be out of action until tomorrow.. What I typed was 'Frua' !

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Post by: targhediferro on February 13, 2019, 12:18:48 PM

Boneschi
Monterosa
Viotti
Scioneri
Fissore
Drugs
Frua

~~I found quite strange your aswer, but I thought to a very obscure coachbuilder.~~

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Post by: Allemano on February 13, 2019, 12:45:27 PM

Quote from: Carnut on February 13, 2019, 12:10:23 PM
Drugs?! That's what happens when you connect on the phone since my computer will be out of action until tomorrow.. What I typed was 'Frua' !

:lmao:

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Post by: Carnut on February 13, 2019, 02:49:46 PM

Is it by a major Carrozzeria or someone obscure?

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Post by: targhediferro on February 13, 2019, 04:19:27 PM

Neither a big one, nor a very obscure one.

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Post by: Carnut on February 13, 2019, 04:54:14 PM

Motto?

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Post by: tobytwirl on February 13, 2019, 06:39:07 PM

Balbo?

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Post by: targhediferro on February 14, 2019, 06:38:42 AM

Boneschi
Monterosa
Viotti
Scioneri
Fissore
Drugs
Frua
Balbo
Motto

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Post by: thorax on February 14, 2019, 08:29:53 AM

Ostuni?

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Post by: Carnut on February 14, 2019, 08:36:19 AM

Castagna?

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Post by: vasilis1200101 on February 14, 2019, 11:09:14 AM

Francis Lombardi

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Post by: targhediferro on February 14, 2019, 03:47:29 PM

Monterosa
Viotti
Scioneri
Fissore
Drugs
Frua
Balbo
Motto
Ostuni
Francis Lombardi
Castagna

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Post by: tobytwirl on February 14, 2019, 05:13:46 PM

Monviso?

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Post by: Carnut on February 14, 2019, 05:44:56 PM

Coriasco?

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Post by: targhediferro on February 15, 2019, 02:35:14 AM

Viotti
Scioneri
Fissore
Drugs
Frua
Balbo
Motto
Ostuni
Francis Lombardi
Castagna
Monviso
Coriasco

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Post by: Carnut on February 15, 2019, 04:11:18 AM

Riva?

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Post by: thorax on February 15, 2019, 04:51:46 AM

Ansaloni?

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Post by: targhediferro on February 15, 2019, 06:41:54 AM

Viotti
Scioneri
Fissore
Drugs
Frua
Balbo
Motto
Ostuni
Francis Lombardi
Castagna
Monviso
Coriasco
Riva
Ansaloni

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Post by: mekubb on February 15, 2019, 07:23:28 AM

Is the coach builder Italian ? ;)

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Post by: Carnut on February 15, 2019, 10:03:22 AM

Allemano?

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Post by: tobytwirl on February 15, 2019, 12:17:05 PM

Bertone?

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Post by: Carnut on February 15, 2019, 12:37:35 PM

And we haven't tried Canta yet (sorry for 2 questions; just trying to speed it up a bit as there are so many Carrozerie to go through...!)

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Post by: targhediferro on February 16, 2019, 07:27:36 AM

Viotti
Scioneri
Fissore
Drugs
Frua
Balbo
Motto
Ostuni
Francis Lombardi
Castagna
Monviso
Coriasco
Riva
Ansaloni
Allemano
Bertone
Canta

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Post by: targhediferro on February 16, 2019, 07:28:40 AM

The coachbuilder is italian.

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Post by: Carnut on February 16, 2019, 07:36:32 AM

Savio?

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Post by: targhediferro on February 16, 2019, 12:15:24 PM

Viotti
Scioneri
Fissore
Drugs
Frua
Balbo
Motto
Ostuni
Francis Lombardi
Castagna
Monviso
Coriasco
Riva
Ansaloni
Allemano
Bertone
Canta
Savio

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Post by: tobytwirl on February 16, 2019, 07:51:08 PM

Boneschi?

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Post by: tobytwirl on February 16, 2019, 07:52:56 PM

Forget that, it's been declined already, Stabilimenti Farina?

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Post by: vasilis1200101 on February 16, 2019, 10:32:37 PM

Carrozzeria Italiana ?

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Post by: Carnut on February 17, 2019, 04:47:08 AM

Siata?

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Post by: thorax on February 17, 2019, 03:26:59 PM

Schieppati?

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Post by: targhediferro on February 17, 2019, 03:39:29 PM

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Post by: tobytwirl on February 17, 2019, 09:04:12 PM

Accosato?

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Post by: Carnut on February 18, 2019, 03:35:49 AM

Fontana?

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Post by: targhediferro on February 18, 2019, 07:45:03 AM

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Post by: tobytwirl on February 20, 2019, 06:53:09 AM

Boano?

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Post by: tobytwirl on February 20, 2019, 06:53:52 AM

Coriasco?

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Post by: targhediferro on February 20, 2019, 08:00:03 AM

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Post by: Carnut on February 20, 2019, 02:44:17 PM

Morelli?

Are there any Carrozzerie left which were neither major nor obscure?!
Colli is perhaps another one...

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Post by: tobytwirl on February 20, 2019, 03:05:57 PM

Touring?

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Post by: thorax on February 20, 2019, 04:04:07 PM

Carrozzeria Vercellese

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Post by: vasilis1200101 on February 20, 2019, 05:05:13 PM

Garavini

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Post by: targhediferro on February 21, 2019, 03:47:59 AM

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Post by: thorax on February 21, 2019, 04:26:13 AM

Viberti?

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Post by: targhediferro on February 21, 2019, 07:38:06 AM

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Post by: thorax on February 21, 2019, 12:49:15 PM

Scall?

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Post by: mekubb on February 21, 2019, 02:25:31 PM

Monterosa ?

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Post by: targhediferro on February 21, 2019, 04:28:55 PM

I don't copy again all the names....but neither Monterosa nor Scall are correct.

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Post by: thorax on February 21, 2019, 05:20:25 PM

Romanazzi?

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Post by: Carnut on February 21, 2019, 06:51:37 PM

Quote from: targhediferro on February 21, 2019, 04:28:55 PM
I don't copy again all the names....but neither Monterosa nor Scall are correct.

We had Monterosa already (Reply #11) but for some reason it's not on your long list...

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Post by: targhediferro on February 22, 2019, 04:16:10 AM

Viotti
Scioneri
Fissore
Drugs
Frua
Balbo
Motto
Ostuni
Francis Lombardi
Castagna
Monviso
Coriasco
Riva
Ansaloni
Allemano
Bertone
Boneschi
Canta
Savio
Siata
Stabilimenti Farina
Schieppati
Carrozzeria Italiana
Accossato
Fontana
Boano
Morelli
Colli
Touring
Carrozzeria Vercellese
Garavini
Viberti
Monterosa
Scall
Romanazzi

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Post by: Carnut on February 23, 2019, 10:56:16 AM

Casaro?

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Post by: targhediferro on February 23, 2019, 12:58:41 PM

Neither Casaro.

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Post by: Carnut on February 23, 2019, 02:13:27 PM

Montescani?

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Post by: targhediferro on February 23, 2019, 03:22:55 PM

Not Montescani?

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Post by: Carnut on February 23, 2019, 03:58:32 PM

Ala d'Oro?

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Post by: mekubb on February 24, 2019, 07:44:17 AM

Pinin Farina ?

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Post by: targhediferro on February 24, 2019, 12:43:16 PM

Two No more...nor Ala d'oro and not Pinin Farina.

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Post by: thorax on February 24, 2019, 12:46:29 PM

from Turin/Piemonte?

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Post by: targhediferro on February 24, 2019, 12:53:29 PM

Not from Turin.

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Post by: Carnut on February 24, 2019, 01:10:12 PM

Mantelli?

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Post by: targhediferro on February 24, 2019, 02:02:54 PM

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Post by: Carnut on February 24, 2019, 05:45:02 PM

Sirio?

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Post by: targhediferro on February 25, 2019, 05:41:59 AM

Not Sirio.

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Post by: Carnut on February 25, 2019, 05:52:37 AM

Pavesi?

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Post by: targhediferro on February 25, 2019, 06:18:03 AM

Not Pavesi.

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Post by: Carnut on February 25, 2019, 07:59:51 AM

Bartoletti?

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Post by: mekubb on February 25, 2019, 08:14:36 AM

Vignale ?

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Post by: targhediferro on February 25, 2019, 01:17:18 PM

Nor Bartoletti and not Vignale.

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Post by: Carnut on February 25, 2019, 02:15:34 PM

Campana?

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Post by: targhediferro on February 25, 2019, 02:55:17 PM

Neither Campana.

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Post by: Carnut on February 25, 2019, 03:54:59 PM

Manfredini?

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Post by: targhediferro on February 25, 2019, 04:36:39 PM

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Post by: Carnut on February 25, 2019, 05:28:36 PM

Revelli?

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Post by: targhediferro on February 26, 2019, 03:56:03 AM

Nor Ravelli...I never though it would have become such a nightmere.

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Post by: Carnut on February 26, 2019, 05:27:09 AM

Well I've pored through Alessandro Sannia's Encyclopaedia of Italian Coachbuilders looking only for those carrozzieri which are neither major nor obscure and I and others have tried them all without success.

There are just 2 I have left on my list so assuming it's neither of those either I'll have to change tack!

But let's try Bruna first?

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Post by: targhediferro on February 26, 2019, 07:59:31 AM

Not Bruna.

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Post by: Carnut on February 26, 2019, 08:16:06 AM

And not Volpe I suppose?!

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Post by: thorax on February 26, 2019, 10:32:10 AM

Pietroboni?

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Post by: targhediferro on February 26, 2019, 01:09:25 PM

Nor Volpe, and not Pietroboni.

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Post by: Carnut on February 27, 2019, 03:29:29 AM

Thought not.

There don't seem to be any major but not obscure carrozzerie left, so... was it made by a company active only in the 1940s/1950s and are they well-known for some other models?

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Post by: targhediferro on February 27, 2019, 11:46:47 AM

I'm not sure but it seems that this company is still alive....anyway I suppose it began in the fourties, it made some wagons in the fifties (one is quite known among experts), and in the second half of sixties they realized a car with Fiat base that's quite known and built in a lot of pieces.

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Post by: targhediferro on February 27, 2019, 11:53:35 AM

A little clue: .....the car they built in the second half of sixties was available in Red or yellow only.

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Post by: Carnut on February 27, 2019, 12:18:55 PM

Thanks. I'll work on it.
In the meantime, you said the body wasn't built by a Turin coachbuilder.
Does that also mean not in the environs of Turin? Or is the coachbuilder on the other side of the country?

Perhaps it was Giannini from Rome?

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Post by: targhediferro on February 27, 2019, 03:35:32 PM

Not Giannini...not Piedmont (the county of Turin).

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Post by: Carnut on February 28, 2019, 06:11:49 AM

In Lombardy?

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Post by: targhediferro on February 28, 2019, 04:31:50 PM

Not Lombardia.

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Post by: Carnut on February 28, 2019, 05:50:59 PM

Emilia-Romagna?

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Post by: targhediferro on March 01, 2019, 04:48:23 AM

Quote from: Carnut on February 28, 2019, 05:50:59 PM
Emilia-Romagna?

Yes, it's from Emilia.

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Post by: Carnut on March 01, 2019, 06:49:13 AM

Carrozzeria Zanella?

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Post by: targhediferro on March 01, 2019, 07:51:50 AM

Quote from: Carnut on March 01, 2019, 06:49:13 AM
Carrozzeria Zanella?

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :hyper:

And we have a winner! This car is a Fiat 1100 EL realized by Carrozzeria Zanella in 1951

Title: Re: Solved TGF-A1: Fiat 1100 EL Carrozzeria Zanella, 1951
Post by: Carnut on March 01, 2019, 08:44:01 AM

Thanks!
According to Alessandro Sannia's encyclopaedia F.lli Zanella was founded in 1955 by brothers Luigi, Gino, Guido and Giuseppe Zanella to carry out body repairs.

So it seems they were around a bit earlier than that, even carrying out coachbuilding, but it's possible that the formal company was only established in 1955, hence the confusion around the date.

Sadly the cost of converting the company into modern coachbuilders in the 1960s led to the closure of the Carrozzeria in 1970.

Title: Re: Solved TGF-A1: Fiat 1100 EL Carrozzeria Zanella, 1951
Post by: targhediferro on March 01, 2019, 08:57:00 AM

About the date, the only clue I have is a date on the back of the picture....12.11.1951, but I cannot say who wrote it and when, of course.

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