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Title: SOLVED: FW #369: RAM-Fiat Formula Junior prototype, Scaglietti/Gentilini design
Post by: fromwien on September 04, 2022, 04:48:07 PM
Please identify this car: Make? Race class? Engine? Design?
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: fromwien on October 03, 2022, 03:04:59 PM
Experts?
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: D-type on October 04, 2022, 08:02:17 AM
a DKW-powered Formula Junior car?
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: fromwien on October 04, 2022, 09:31:28 AM
Formula Junior racer, but not DKW-powered
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: D-type on October 04, 2022, 11:01:02 AM
Wartburg powered?
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: fromwien on October 04, 2022, 01:52:35 PM
No
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: Shamrock 2 on October 04, 2022, 04:38:13 PM
Stable powered , FJunior
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: fromwien on October 04, 2022, 05:38:23 PM
Sorry, what do you mean with "stable powered"? If you mean, that the chassis-builder is also the engine-creator, my answer will be: No
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: D-type on October 06, 2022, 05:51:22 AM
Am I barking up the wrong tree and misinterpreting the photo?  Is it front wheel drive?
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: fromwien on October 06, 2022, 06:25:27 AM
No
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: fromwien on November 11, 2022, 03:37:40 AM
Professionals?
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: nicanary on November 11, 2022, 04:39:33 AM
It's an Italian Fiat-engined car. Air intake in the right place. No idea what it is  ;D
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: fromwien on November 11, 2022, 05:07:58 AM
Yes, you are right! Tt's an Italian Fiat-engined car  ;)
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: nicanary on November 11, 2022, 07:35:58 AM
BF (Brachetti and Ferrari) ?
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: fromwien on November 11, 2022, 09:57:55 AM
No
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: D-type on November 11, 2022, 10:50:16 AM
Is it the most obvious one - a Stanguellini?
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: nicanary on November 11, 2022, 11:48:37 AM
Sprint Auto ?
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: fromwien on November 11, 2022, 02:09:08 PM
Quote from: D-type on November 11, 2022, 10:50:16 AM
Is it the most obvious one - a Stanguellini?
No
Quote from: nicanary on November 11, 2022, 11:48:37 AM
Sprint Auto ?
No
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: D-type on November 11, 2022, 03:23:05 PM
Is it a one-off or did the maker build a few?
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: fromwien on November 11, 2022, 04:54:19 PM
I have no records about, but I think a few were built
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: nicanary on November 12, 2022, 06:56:06 AM
Moroni ?
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: fromwien on November 12, 2022, 07:05:48 AM
No
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: nicanary on November 15, 2022, 01:45:48 PM
Name beginning with letter A to K ?
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: fromwien on November 15, 2022, 03:35:18 PM
Dear "nicanary",
of course, this sort of question is possible and allowed to ask, and I will feel happy to answer. But with my answer, I will lift up the puzzle to the "Masters", as this is a trivial and not specific question to the puzzle, and I think then everybody should be allowed to ask and solve this puzzle!
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: D-type on November 19, 2022, 08:19:59 AM
When people are reduced to guessing names of a particular genre of car, as we are here,  it is quite common to cut down the range to guess from.  Is it from the A-K range?
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: fromwien on November 19, 2022, 11:30:32 AM
Quote from: D-type on November 19, 2022, 08:19:59 AM
When people are reduced to guessing names of a particular genre of car, as we are here,  it is quite common to cut down the range to guess from.  Is it from the A-K range?
Dear "D-type",
I think, you read my previous message carefully, so I answer you with: NO..
..and lift the puzzle up to the "Masters"
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: fromwien on November 19, 2022, 11:59:21 AM
Quote from: D-type on November 19, 2022, 08:19:59 AM
When people are reduced to guessing names of a particular genre of car, as we are here,  it is quite common to cut down the range to guess from.  Is it from the A-K range?
It is your individual approach, if you think, "When people are reduced to guessing names of a particular genre of car, as we are here.."
I am very sorry, I personally would like to distance myself from this statement and have a completely different approach.

How would you feel if anybody who doesn't know anything about cars as a rookie just asks questions like
Is it from the A-K range?
Is the second letter in the range of B to L?
Is the third letter in the range of D to P?
etc, etc...
The same with numbers, the same with geographical questions,...

Sorry, then I will be sure out of this game. I think to play with car-maniacs
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: nicanary on November 21, 2022, 12:05:17 PM
This site has a well-known member who asks questions like that  ;D.

Patriarca?
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: fromwien on November 21, 2022, 01:25:55 PM
No
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: nicanary on November 21, 2022, 01:44:24 PM
I have found at least 35 marques of that style..............

This will take a lot of work LOL.
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: fromwien on November 21, 2022, 02:23:09 PM
Sorry, only can say, I know about that,... ;)
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: nicanary on November 22, 2022, 04:27:59 AM
Pirocchi ?
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: fromwien on November 22, 2022, 04:50:42 AM
No
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: D-type on November 27, 2022, 04:02:00 PM
A Taraschi?
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: fromwien on November 28, 2022, 07:32:13 AM
No
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 17, 2022, 08:25:15 AM
It's the prototype of the RAM (Roman American Engineering) built in 1959-1961 by C.R. Hatch. Tuned by Taraschi, coachwork by Corna.
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: fromwien on December 17, 2022, 11:48:26 AM
I think, it's nearly impossible to find any Italian race car, you don't know about..
Yes, RAM Formula Junior prototype, Fiat-engined.
My source mentions another engine-tuner than Taraschi and another body-designer than Corna. LOCKED for you
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 19, 2022, 09:14:26 AM
Thank you.

They built just 3 cars. Two front engined cars in 1960 (one in alloy, the puzzle car, and one in fiberglass) and a rear engined one, in 1961.
According to C. Richard Hatch's recollections, they had some room to work in Giannini's workshop, but there's no proof of Giannini's involvment. The chassis was built by Oreste Sorcase.
Taraschi's name seems more than a possibility: Rod Carveth was the importer of both Taraschi cars and RAM's kits. He also entered a RAM-Taraschi in some races in the States to promote the future Junior by RAM (the racing car in the States was actually a Taraschi). The prototype (the puzzle car) was then shipped to the Sates as well.
You were right, Corna built the rear engined car. The front engined alloy prototype was built following a project by Reisner.
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: fromwien on December 19, 2022, 04:29:48 PM
As you've mentioned, my source means, Giannini may have been the engine-tuner.
And you are right, the first car wore a fibreglass bodywork. My source mentions an designer of the bodywork. I am not clear, if they meant the bodaywork manufacturer. It's, in my opinion not Reisner, as he worked together with Corna

At first I want to add an additional point to your account, but would like to let the puzzle running, for finding the bodywork designer
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: fromwien on December 19, 2022, 04:33:22 PM
Additional picture of an advertisement attached
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 20, 2022, 07:18:03 AM
Thank you. I've been in contact with the guy who found what's left of it and I read about it in Siva's latest book about Formula Junior. Two pages dedicated to RAM. No mention of any other designer. I'll be happy to learn more and to tell Sandro.
Title: Re: FW #369
Post by: fromwien on December 20, 2022, 08:50:59 AM
Ok. So I will move this puzzle to the solved ones, adding the text of my source, stating "Scaglietti & Gentilini" as body designer
Great, thank you for contributing to solve this puzzle
Title: Re: SOLVED: FW #369: RAM-Fiat Formula Junior prototype, Scaglietti/Gentilini design
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 22, 2022, 03:15:02 AM
Thank you. A contemporary article is always a strong source. Which magazine is that? Sometimes, expecially in the States when it comes to italian racing cars, names can be thrown with not great accuracy, but it's worth to verify it.