Do you need a ceiling or a terrace? Use this truck!
Who was the manufacturer and what type was it? Who built the cab, who built the interchangeable frame and who made the concrete mixer?
Experts?
German
Yes.
Magirus Deutz with Kogel cab ?
No.
Krupp
No.
generalist truck builder?
I thought I had it in my collection, but no ...
Yes.
Mercedes
No.
MAN ?
No
Still active ?
No.
Kamag ?
No
Faun
No
Hanomag Henschel
One word too much.
If you give me two chances, I should be fine !
Henschel ?
One chance is enough. It's a Henschel, what else... ;)
Locked for bill d'Isere, apparently the only one interested in this task.
Liebherr ?
Please open up to everyone, I have nothing in particular to suggest.
No, it is not a Liebherr-Mixer, Unlocked
Putzmeister ?
No, not even Putzmeister.
Schwing Stetter
Almost right. When the truck was built, the name consisted of only one word.
I am the lottery champion here!
Stetter
Yes! This ticket number gives a consolation prize :bow:
What else do you want?
I have nothing left
That was just a pun on the keyword "lottery". I am still missing the type of the truck, builder of cab and of the interchangeable frame.
I don't know any of this
That's a pity. :(
I can't find anything online
My scource is a book, I I have not yet searched the internet.
So I'm screwed! :'( ;D
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F 221 BM-chassis?
No BM-chassis.
SL-Chassis?
No.
I have a little problem, with searching for other details, as on the picture I have, there is definitely written on the windshield 'F 221 BM'. Furthermore that the one-person-cabine has been developed by Henschel itself. Maybe built by Kögel? Another source mentions Schölch as the coachbuilder. My picture has been taken at the IAA 1967
Here the important section of the picture in better quality
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Well, here we go: It can be assumed that the author of the fair report in "lastauto-omnibus" used the press releases of the manufacturers, without questioning them. Which was and is common practice.
The cab was developed and built by a supplier (you have already mentioned his name), this is confirmed by various sources. This one-man cabin was also used in a modified form for other applications. The big manufacturers also usually had no capacity for such smallest series.
To the chassis: I have a strong suspicion that a mistake has been made when setting up the exhibition stand: Henschel-Miixer = BM-chassis.
The exhibition vehicle, the puzzle truck, had a subframe, to be able to exchange the mixer for other superstructures.
The Henschel BM-chassis was a very special, unique construction. It was the only chassis on the market, which was able to compensate the dynamic forces of a mixing drum, rotating during the drive, without using any subframe or additional reinforcements. There was, for example, an additional spring on the left side to balance the wandering centre of gravity when the drum rotates clockwise.
So, Henschel was number one of mixer-trucks in Germany until the end. At the best of times, they sold more mixer chassis, than all other manufacturers combined.
I add three photos: first: the puzzle-truck with subframe for changing bodies, second and third: Henschel BM-chassis. I think the difference is clear.
So, please add the coachbuilder and the possible alternative to the BM-chassis and of course manufactorer of the interchangeable frame.
At first, I want to take up the cudgels for authors of motoring journals, which I also count myself among. There may some charlatans be around, but most of us try to do their best job with a lot of diligence!
Secondly, not an author of a magazine (you mentioned "lastauto-omnibus") made a crueling mistake in your reckoning. BUT THE MANUFACTURER BY HIMSELF! SHOWING THE CAR AT THE MOST REPRESENTATIVE AUTOMOBILE EVENT WITH A WRONG DESCRIPTION OF THE CHASSIS BEHIND THE WINDSHIELD!!!
So, I think Schölch will be the coachbuilder of the one-man-cabin, as also with the Magirus concrete-mixer of 1968
The type of the chassis may be F 221 M, if Henschel happened such an embarrassing mistake, specifying their new product with an wrong code to their possible clients
The manufacturer of the interchangeable frame will be the hard nut for me to crack
Another picture of an Henschel brochure attached, showing the F 221 BM-chassis with interchangeable superstructure
For the interchangeable frame, I heard about 'BDF Wechselbrücken' by Kögel?
No M-chassis, it is not a chassis for waste disposal bodies.
Interchangeable frame was made by a well known bodybuilder, it is no a "BDF-Wechselbrücke" and it is not Kögel.
After all, there is nothing unhonourable about when a journalist takes over a manufacturer's information.
The information in the windscreen my be fixed by Stetter. Perhaps the error was corrected after the press day.
At trade fairs, exhibitions and customer events I have experienced quite different things...
The photos of the puzzle-truck were taken at the bodybuilders area. I still consider the difference to the BM-chassis to be clear.
The added brochure is very interesting, thank you. This is another version with a completely different design.
Do you know when they are from?
I thought so, as I don't know anything about the M-chassis. As also with my next guess:
1) The next trial is F 221 LE?
2) Interchangeable frame by Ackermann?
3) One-man-cabin by Schölch?
1) No
2) No
3) Yes
Next guess:
1) Meiller
2) F 221 LN
Twice: No.
Interchangeable frame by a coachbuilder with a focus on construction site vehicles, not yet mentioned at AP.
"L" means air-suspension.
1) Stürenberg
2) F 221 K
1) No.
2) Yes!
Krone?
No.
Evels?
No.
Zeilinger?
No.
Schwarzmüller
No
As the chassis is a tipper-chassis, is the coachbuilder famous for building tippers?
Tippers and skip containers.
German?
Yes.
Frings?
No.
Humbaur
No
Karl Müller
No
FEKA, Kassel?
Yes, it is FEKA. With the exception of the mixer, it is therefore a complete Kassel connection. Here is your next point.
Thank you for the point! Took a long way of research to finish this puzzle
What is long lasting is finally good.
:thumbsup: