DAR 26 Kaelble Artillery Tractor

[D-type]

What is this?
Make?  Purpose?  Approx year?

[marmer]

German Lanz artillery tractor, captured by British or Australian forces c. 1918?

[D-type]

Artillery tractor, but not a Lantz.
The date I have is c. 1916 so 1918 is close enough.
I don't know whether this is a captured one or not.  The two men look more German than British to me.  But that's not part of the question.

[marmer]

Dürkopp?

[D-type]

Not a Dürkopp

[marmer]

Found the photo (not with Google image search, just by searching for phrases like Erster Weltkrieg Zugmaschine.). It's in a museum, but identified only as "Zugmaschine mit 2 Soldaten."  That's no help.  Still looking.

[D-type]

The link I found gave a make for the tractor

[marmer]

1917 Kaelble artillery tractor with Daimler motor.  One of possibly two constructed.

[D-type]

That's not the maker's name I have.  Unfortunately I've lost the link.
Can you corroborate yours?

[marmer]

Yes, but how?  Do you want me to post a picture, or send a PM, or what?  I thought we weren't supposed to post links.

[marmer]

From "Die Rad - Und Vollketten-Zugmaschinen - Des Deutschen Heeres 1871-1945", p. 39. Look carefully at both the front and rear wheels.

[marmer]

I still like Kaelble, but there is some discussion out there about it being a Deutz.  Was that the name you are looking for?  Apparently this tractor doesn't appear in Deutz archives.  Apparently Kaelble built two, and those may be the ones visible in the pic I posted.  Note the CK notation, which may mean "Carl Kaelble."

[marmer]

Bump.  I found some discussion on a WWI vehicle forum that is pertinent but I thought we are forbidden to post links.

[D-type]

I found it in a Facebook group that focuses on lorries.  Someone posted the picture with a generic title "World War 1 artillery tractor".  Somebody else posted saying it was a Bussing - he sounded very positive and nobody questioned it.  Now I am having my doubts.
I suggest we call it solved as a Kaelble Artillery Tractor from circa 1916.  Do you agree?
(and award you the point of course)

[marmer]

Here are some pictures from a WWI vehicle forum.  I shouldn't post links.  The discussion seems to be fairly well agreed that the Bussing is similar but different from the Kaelble.  Notice the Bussing's wheels are different.

[Carnut]

I found it in a Facebook group that focuses on lorries.  Someone posted the picture With a generic title "World War 1 artillery tractor".  Somebody else posted saying it was a Bussing - he sounded very positive and nobody questioned it.  Now I am having my doubts.
I suggest we call it solved as a Kaelbe Artilley Tractor from circa 1916.  Do you agree?

Yes!

[D-type]

For what it's worth, here's another pic, which is positively identified as a Bussing.  Note the wheels are different from any previously posted.

[Hiawatha]

To me, it's not the same.