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Title: Solved - MJW #050 - Scientific designed by Ray Brock c.1952
Post by: woodinsight on October 07, 2010, 03:29:28 PM
Allemano's on his 500th and I'm on my 50th, so time to celebrate!

Apologies for the poor image (I have another not very sharp) but can you tell me what this is?
Make, year and engine manufacturer for a point.
Title: Re: MJW #050
Post by: Allemano on October 08, 2010, 04:49:19 AM
Quote from: woodinsight on October 07, 2010, 03:29:28 PM
I'm on my 50th, so time to celebrate!
excellent job so far! :applause:
Title: Re: MJW #050
Post by: woodinsight on October 08, 2010, 05:07:06 AM
Thank you and congratulations to you too!
Title: Re: MJW #050
Post by: woodinsight on October 12, 2010, 03:40:32 AM
No response from the rookies so it's up to the experts now
Title: Re: MJW #050
Post by: Tackitt on October 13, 2010, 08:30:10 AM
Looks seriously eastern European to me. A Moskvitch? After this, I hit the books.
Title: Re: MJW #050
Post by: pguillem on October 13, 2010, 04:18:52 PM
Or British ?
Title: Re: MJW #050
Post by: woodinsight on October 14, 2010, 01:20:15 AM
It is British not Eastern European
Title: Re: MJW #050
Post by: yves on October 14, 2010, 05:45:13 AM
Anything to do with Jowett ?
Title: Re: MJW #050
Post by: woodinsight on October 14, 2010, 02:30:45 PM
It has a Jowett engine but apart from that it doesn't have anything to do with that manufacturer.
Keep going Yves - you're making good progress so far!
Title: Re: MJW #050
Post by: woodinsight on October 16, 2010, 02:39:47 AM
I wonder if the pros can solve this one quickly?
Title: Re: MJW #050
Post by: woodinsight on November 01, 2010, 03:58:40 AM
Just to sum up -
This car is British and was fitted with a Jowett Jupiter engine.
Another clue - it was driven in several club races in the UK.

and another photo of the car in an uncompleted state
Title: Re: MJW #050
Post by: barrett on November 01, 2010, 10:01:11 AM
wow, i've been wondering about that one for years...! I would never have guessed it was the same car as your puzzle picture. I look foward to seeing this one solved!
Title: Re: MJW #050
Post by: woodinsight on November 01, 2010, 10:45:08 AM
Well I really hope someone will solve it as you know I hate puzzles ending up in the Black Hole!
I just came across another Jowett Jupiter-engined one-off built sports car this morning.
Perhaps you should have an appendix to your Jupiter feature listing non-Jowetts with Jupiter engines.
Title: Re: MJW #050
Post by: barrett on November 01, 2010, 05:16:47 PM
I have one of those too! It might even be the same one, I'll probably post it in my next batch of puzzles. I might have something like that in the article, progress has been very slow of late though..  ::)
Title: Re: MJW #050
Post by: Hezza on November 21, 2010, 12:15:01 PM
I may have this confused with another car but is this the Roy (Ray?) Brock-designed, Cooper-suspended Scientific? If so it had a Jowett Jupiter engine and a fully enclosed undertray (Brock was an aerodynamicist).
Title: Re: MJW #050
Post by: woodinsight on November 21, 2010, 12:40:05 PM
Brilliant!
That's the car.
It was designed by Ray Brock in the early 1950s and was owned/raced by a Mr M.T. Fryer.
Another point for you.

You certainly know the obscure British cars of that period.
Now about my MJW #004..........any thoughts as it seems to have stalled.
Title: Re: Solved - MJW #050 - Scientific designed by Ray Brock c.1952
Post by: woodinsight on November 21, 2010, 01:04:12 PM
Two more views of the Scientific -
Title: Re: Solved - MJW #050 - Scientific designed by Ray Brock c.1952
Post by: Allemano on November 21, 2010, 02:09:21 PM
Very cool puzzle ,though I was totally clueless.
Title: Re: Solved - MJW #050 - Scientific designed by Ray Brock c.1952
Post by: barrett on February 22, 2012, 01:07:29 PM
Here's another picture of this car in action at Brands Hatch. Not a great capture but worth sharing.
Title: SAC#1695 : the "Scientific" built by R. Barrington Brock in 1955
Post by: SACO on November 07, 2022, 08:13:25 AM
Please , what is this car , for 1 point !  :)
Title: Re: SAC#1695
Post by: SACO on November 14, 2022, 02:14:49 PM
Experts !
Title: Re: SAC#1695
Post by: mekubb on November 14, 2022, 02:45:07 PM
Tatra-based ?
Title: Re: SAC#1695
Post by: Rusty Chrome on November 14, 2022, 05:45:42 PM
This is the "Scientific" built by R. Barrington Brock in 1955
Title: Re: SAC#1695
Post by: SACO on November 15, 2022, 03:35:41 AM
 :thumbsup:
the "Scientific" built by R. Barrington Brock in 1955 !
1 point for Rusty Chrome !  :)
Title: Re: SAC#1695 : the "Scientific" built by R. Barrington Brock in 1955
Post by: fromwien on November 15, 2022, 04:44:43 AM
 :thumbsup: Have had prepared a future puzzle of the same car, with this uncommon rear view of it! Here the unmolested picture
Title: Re: Solved - MJW #050 - Scientific designed by Ray Brock c.1952
Post by: nicanary on November 15, 2022, 04:57:54 AM
Merged.
Title: Re: Solved - MJW #050 - Scientific designed by Ray Brock c.1952
Post by: Rusty Chrome on November 15, 2022, 07:05:29 AM
As well as his lovely car, he was also a very important figure in the development of viticulture in England.
Title: Re: Solved - MJW #050 - Scientific designed by Ray Brock c.1952
Post by: Lavrakas on November 16, 2022, 06:43:19 AM
Here's a painting by Roy Nockolds sold by Bonhams in 2008; the catalogue read: "Scientific in the Alps returning from trial, oil on board, depicting what is believed to be an early Saab concept car driving through a winter scape, signed and dated 1959." So no points for them!
Ray Barrington Brock was by any standards remarkable, a fellow of the Royal Institute of Chemistry, president of the Scientific Instrument Makers Association, chief air-raid warden for the City of London during the second world war, father of the English wine industry. He raced motorcycles at Brooklands, drove an HRG coupe (for which he designed the aerodynamic bodywork) in 1948 and 1949. In his 50s he competed in the Cresta Run and became a member of the British bobsleigh team, And much else besides. According to his Times obituary, "He brought irrepressible energy to all his enterprises. some of it anarchically misdirected."
The Scientific was an interesting machine with the Jupiter engine just ahead of the rear axle, driving forwards to a preselector gearbox with a shaft back to the differential, an idea later used in the ill-fated Rover P6BS. Sadly, the Scientific was written off shortly after Barrington Brock sold it.
Title: Re: Solved - MJW #050 - Scientific designed by Ray Brock c.1952
Post by: Lavrakas on November 16, 2022, 06:50:49 AM
Sorry, can't load the picture.
Title: Re: Solved - MJW #050 - Scientific designed by Ray Brock c.1952
Post by: fromwien on November 16, 2022, 11:48:20 AM
There was once a very interesting 2-part-article in an British motor magazine, 1955
Title: Re: Solved - MJW #050 - Scientific designed by Ray Brock c.1952
Post by: fromwien on November 17, 2022, 07:46:06 AM
The sale ad