What is this for a point please (builder and model name)?
Experts?
Pros?
Looks like Renault 21 Turbo wheels. Renault-based ?
Quote from: oko94 on December 21, 2015, 09:00:47 AM
Looks like Renault 21 Turbo wheels. Renault-based ?
Yes, there is some Renault in there! Locked to you until your next reply to tell me what it is.
No clue. Renault 5-based ?
Quote from: oko94 on December 22, 2015, 12:05:27 PM
No clue. Renault 5-based ?
Not R5-based, but it does use some Renault parts.
Looks like someone chopped a Lotus 7 and glued the bits back together in the wrong order. Is it based on a Caterham ?
Quote from: oko94 on December 22, 2015, 02:28:51 PM
Looks like someone chopped a Lotus 7 and glued the bits back together in the wrong order. Is it based on a Caterham ?
Not Caterham based.
Irish?
Next stop = BH
Home-made or built by a company ?
Another photo of this long-forgotten puzzle, taken from a different angle, which might just help to identify it. Good luck...
French?
Quote from: pnegyesi on January 05, 2018, 02:30:16 PM
French?
Some of the key components are French, but the car isn't.
If the two pictures are of the same car, this guy did some changes. The air intake, the headlights the turn lights, the seats, the rims, the windshield shape, the color of the mud guards, the rear wheels gap with the body, added a cabin tubular safety cage.
They don't look like the same car to me at all. The second seems larger, wider.
Esmond Foster's Renaudi
Another view
Quote from: Oguerrerob on April 17, 2022, 09:08:44 AM
Esmond Foster's Renaudi
Since it doesn't look like Djetset will be back anytime soon, I've awarded two points to Oguerrerob and moved the puzzle to Solved.
Quote from: el_monty on March 07, 2018, 05:10:34 AM
They don't look like the same car to me at all. The second seems larger, wider.
In my mind, only the identity of one of the two cars, or possibly one of two versions of it, is solved
Quote from: fromwien on November 17, 2023, 06:02:25 PM
In my mind, only the identity of one of the two cars, or possibly one of two versions of it, is solved
I sincerely respect that. However, after careful consideration, I'm prepared to call this one 'solved' and reward the points. Factors considered include:
- The puzzle creator (who knew the identity of the puzzle vehicle) provided images of both versions and identified them as the same car;
- Unique components carried over from the earlier iteration to the later one (identically sized and shaped trapezoidal 'doorlets,' for example);
- This fitting description: "It has been through a process of constant evolution, the initial buggy-esque styling making way for the current aluminum-and-GRP historic racer look."
One could construct arguments to dispute each of these factors, of course. But when making the call on another member's puzzle
(in the absence of strong evidence to the contrary), I think it's best to defer to the information provided by that member. And in this case, I believe that a preponderance of the available evidence indicates that these images more likely than not (a common civil law standard :)) represent an evolution of the same car.
Thank you!!
Quote from: fromwien on November 17, 2023, 06:02:25 PM
Quote from: el_monty on March 07, 2018, 05:10:34 AM
They don't look like the same car to me at all. The second seems larger, wider.
In my mind, only the identity of one of the two cars, or possibly one of two versions of it, is solved
Quote from: gte4289 on November 17, 2023, 10:07:50 PM
Quote from: fromwien on November 17, 2023, 06:02:25 PM
In my mind, only the identity of one of the two cars, or possibly one of two versions of it, is solved
I sincerely respect that. However, after careful consideration, I'm prepared to call this one 'solved' and reward the points. Factors considered include:
- The puzzle creator (who knew the identity of the puzzle vehicle) provided images of both versions and identified them as the same car;
- Unique components carried over from the earlier iteration to the later one (identically sized and shaped trapezoidal 'doorlets,' for example);
- This fitting description: "It has been through a process of constant evolution, the initial buggy-esque styling making way for the current aluminum-and-GRP historic racer look."
One could construct arguments to dispute each of these factors, of course. But when making the call on another member's puzzle (in the absence of strong evidence to the contrary), I think it's best to defer to the information provided by that member. And in this case, I believe that a preponderance of the available evidence indicates that these images more likely than not (a common civil law standard :)) represent an evolution of the same car.
Thanks a lot for quick reply
I don't argue about points because I don't care about them, but about correct solutions
I'm really sorry, but I can't clearly see that the two pictures show the same car, simply because of the different proportions
Puzzle car PPC (Practical Performance Car) December November 2006 An article: Mid-Engine Turbo Se7en Built from scratch for £3K.
Renaudi by Esmond Foster - Renault 21 Turbo engine with UN1 gearbox. Renault 25 front suspension & steering. Square tube spaceframe, hand bent/bashed/folded ali panels. Caterham nosecone, split and widened
Thank you! I couldn't imagine "split and widened" with a low-cost-project :thumbsup: