Please identify this racer in ALL its details: Make? Engine? Race series? Year?
Experts?
German early FV
No
Is that "No" to German, "No" to early FV, or "No" to both?
Not German, not FV
Is the race series the Formula Easter Cup of Peace and Friendship?
No, it isn't
Formula Junior
No
It looks like Formula Vee type VW-based front suspension so is it Formula Super Vee
No. Furthermore the Formula Super Vee never used this type of axle
USA
Yes
Formula Atlantic?
No
Was this a US National series for cars complying with an international formula?
No
is that 'No' to US National Series, "No" to international formula, or "No" to both?
Quote from: D-type on August 25, 2022, 07:44:59 AM
Was this a US National series for cars complying with an international formula?
The "No" referred to your complete question
Quote from: D-type on August 25, 2022, 12:47:39 PM
is that 'No' to US National Series, "No" to international formula, or "No" to both?
US National Series: Yes
International formula: No
I feel that if you ask a 4-part question, in this case "~ Make? Engine? Race series? Year? ~", you should be prepared to answer each part individually otherwise it gives the wrong impression.
Was this an SCCA Formula?
Quote from: D-type on August 26, 2022, 05:16:36 AM
I feel that if you ask a 4-part question, in this case "~ Make? Engine? Race series? Year? ~", you should be prepared to answer each part individually otherwise it gives the wrong impression.
Was this an SCCA Formula?
Please be so kind, and read the "AutoPuzzles"-rules carefully. You asked for nothing else, than the race series you thought to be the right one. I gave you the right answer, with "No".
Was this an SCCA Formula? Yes to both
You've said "No" to Formula Atlantic which was the same as SCCA Formula B. You have also said "No" to Formula Junior which was SCCA Formula C. But, as you say, the Formula is not the question - it's the race series.
So, is it the SCCA Grand Prix Championship ?
It is not SCCA Formula B, and not Formula C
It is a little bit tricky! Sorry
Not SCCA Grand Prix Championship
(1) Make? Quantum?
(2) Engine? Ford?
(3) Race Series? SCCA National Championship?
(4) Year? 1967?
(1) Make? Quantum?
(2) Engine? Ford?
(3) Race Series? SCCA National Championship?
(4) Year? 1967?
Quote from: D-type on August 26, 2022, 11:53:59 AM
(1) Make? Quantum?No
(2) Engine? Ford?No
(3) Race Series? SCCA National Championship?The race series is not easy to find
(4) Year? 1967?No
Is the year earlier than 1967?
Yes
Earlier than 1960?
No
Is it from 1961-63 or from 1964-66 ?
A little hint: This series should have come to life in 1964
Although you say it is not a Formula Vee car, is it VW powered?
No
Let's try another set of guesses
(1) Make? Legrand?
(2) Engine? BMW?
(3) Race Series? SCCA Formula IV?
(4) Year? 1965?
Quote from: fromwien on August 28, 2022, 04:23:17 AM
A little hint: This series should have come to life in 1964
Please read this hint precisely
Quote from: D-type on August 29, 2022, 06:55:49 AM
Let's try another set of guesses
(1) Make? Legrand?
(2) Engine? BMW?
(3) Race Series? SCCA Formula IV?
(4) Year? 1965?
NO to all
Professionals?
Is it a series organised by a race drivers school ?
No
Beach ?
Not that
Masters?
So: built for a planned/proposed SCCA series, that should have been introduced in 1964, but ultimately never happened, correct?
Yes
German engine?
No
American engine?
Sorry, yes
Ford engine?
No
GM engine?
Yes
The puzzle image seems to match images of Jacques Duval driving a "rented" Formula Vee car for the Fitch Sprint Team (of John Fitch?) at Nassau in 1963, as identified in Jacques Duval's autobiography. Duval says he and several celebrity drivers (Dan Gurney, A.J. Foyt, Bruce McLaren and others) agreed to compete in the Formula Vee Grand Prix to "have fun in these leftover Volkswagens."
Quote from: gte4289 on June 12, 2023, 08:47:21 PM
The puzzle image seems to match images of Jacques Duval driving a "rented" Formula Vee car for the Fitch Sprint Team (of John Fitch?) at Nassau in 1963, as identified in Jacques Duval's autobiography.
It looks as though there were three nearly-identical Fitch Team Formula Vee cars there in 1963 (#18, #19, and #20), but the puzzle car appears to have details which match it to the #20 car driven by Duval (the large, white steering wheel and mirror placement). I have images of all three cars at Nassau in 1963, as well as multiple images of the #19 car (with different race number) at Nassau again in 1964.
Was the puzzle car said to have been upgraded to Chevy power for the SCCA Formula Libre series?
Yes, Fitch ... with Jacques Duval on the wheel. You are very close the solution.
LOCKED for you to find engine, race series and year, which is very near the Nassau event
Quote from: gte4289 on June 12, 2023, 09:32:41 PM
Was the puzzle car said to have been upgraded to Chevy power for the SCCA Formula Libre series?
Not SCCA Formula Libre series, but Fitch..
Quote from: fromwien on June 13, 2023, 02:09:28 AM
LOCKED for you to find engine, race series and year, which is very near the Nassau event
Engine: Modified Chevy Corvair Monza flat-6
Race series: "Super Sprint" single-formula racing series proposed by Fitch but killed off when SCCA decided to go with a Formula Vee racing class.
Year: 1964?
A prototype chassis was fabricated but the body was never completed. However, I don't really understand what all of this has to do with Jacques Duval in the Formula Vee. Did Fitch swap the VW engine for a Covair engine and then have Duval test it? Since Duval appears to be wearing the same gear and driving the same car he drove at Nassau, is it safe to assume this all took place almost immediately following Speed Week (held in August, 1963)?
Quote from: gte4289 on June 13, 2023, 03:25:17 AM
Quote from: fromwien on June 13, 2023, 02:09:28 AM
LOCKED for you to find engine, race series and year, which is very near the Nassau event
Engine: Modified Chevy Corvair Monza flat-6
Race series: "Super Sprint" single-formula racing series proposed by Fitch but killed off when SCCA decided to go with a Formula Vee racing class.
Year: 1964?
A prototype chassis was fabricated but the body was never completed. However, I don't really understand what all of this has to do with Jacques Duval in the Formula Vee. Did Fitch swap the VW engine for a Corvair engine and then have Duval test it? Since Duval appears to be wearing the same gear and driving the same car he drove at Nassau, is it safe to assume this all took place almost immediately following Speed Week (held in August, 1963)?
Engine: Modified Chevy Corvair Monza flat-6: Yes :thumbsup:
Race series: "Super Sprint" single-formula racing series proposed by Fitch but killed off when SCCA decided to go with a Formula Vee racing class: Yes :thumbsup:
Year: 1964: Yes :thumbsup:
Did Fitch swap the VW engine for a Covair engine and then have Duval test it?: I think so
Thanks for the point!