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Title: Solved - NEH 5458: Schubert built by Mr Esahi on 1956 Datsun chassis
Post by: Carnut on June 24, 2019, 02:40:09 PM
What's this, based on what, made by whom, when - for 1 point?:

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Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Carnut on July 08, 2019, 07:49:04 AM
Experts?
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: kwgibbs on July 08, 2019, 10:14:44 AM
Is it a british one-off?
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Carnut on July 08, 2019, 10:50:39 AM
Quote from: kwgibbs on July 08, 2019, 10:14:44 AM
a british one-off
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: kwgibbs on July 08, 2019, 11:17:23 AM
German one-off with vw base?
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Carnut on July 08, 2019, 12:40:59 PM
No, not German and no VW bits, although its name does look and sound German...
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: kwgibbs on July 08, 2019, 01:10:57 PM
Is it a neighboring country?
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Carnut on July 08, 2019, 05:40:01 PM
No.
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: kwgibbs on July 08, 2019, 06:58:17 PM
Australian?
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Carnut on July 09, 2019, 03:35:52 AM
No.
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: kwgibbs on July 09, 2019, 02:08:23 PM
Scandinavian?
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Carnut on July 09, 2019, 06:02:18 PM
No.
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: kwgibbs on July 09, 2019, 08:39:21 PM
Is it Asian?
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Carnut on July 10, 2019, 03:16:40 AM
Yes!
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: kwgibbs on July 10, 2019, 07:01:58 AM
It looks like it could have alittle Subaru in there for a base?
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Carnut on July 10, 2019, 05:22:23 PM
I'm not at home so don't have my files with me, but I don't think so.
Back home late tomorrow afternoon so I'll be able to check then.
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Carnut on July 11, 2019, 03:14:21 PM
No Subaru bits in it all as far as I know.
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: kwgibbs on July 11, 2019, 04:45:55 PM
Was this car built using parts from several car brands?
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Carnut on July 11, 2019, 06:05:57 PM
I only know what brand of chassis was used; I believe the rest of it is all hand-built though no doubt the drivetrain is probably from the same brand as the chassis.
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: mymokke on July 14, 2019, 05:57:38 PM
I don't know what this car is, but, it appears to be parked next to a 1950 Plymouth or Dodge (at least from what I can see) might be a junior Chrysler but I'd need to see the rear fender splash guards to more certain.
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Carnut on July 15, 2019, 04:29:06 AM
No Chrysler connection!
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: bsa on July 21, 2019, 03:19:33 PM
Any connection to Isuzu?
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Carnut on July 21, 2019, 03:44:37 PM
None..
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Carnut on July 31, 2019, 03:24:47 AM
Professionals?
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Oguerrerob on July 31, 2019, 03:30:59 AM
From Japan?
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Carnut on July 31, 2019, 03:51:41 AM
Yes!
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: oko94 on July 31, 2019, 03:59:39 AM
Japanese chassis ?
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Carnut on July 31, 2019, 05:15:47 AM
Yes.
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: oko94 on July 31, 2019, 05:39:40 AM
Hino chassis ?
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Oguerrerob on July 31, 2019, 05:43:43 AM
1950's?
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Carnut on July 31, 2019, 06:43:37 AM
Quote from: oko94 on July 31, 2019, 05:39:40 AM
Hino chassis ?

No...

Quote from: Oguerrerob on July 31, 2019, 05:43:43 AM
1950's?

...and Yes.
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Oguerrerob on July 31, 2019, 06:51:53 AM
Suzuki chassis?
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Wendax on July 31, 2019, 07:33:34 AM
Ohta-based?
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Carnut on July 31, 2019, 08:58:47 AM
Neither of those...
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: oko94 on July 31, 2019, 09:41:48 AM
Datsun chassis ?
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: nicanary on July 31, 2019, 09:51:41 AM
Anything to do with the Subaru 360?
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Oguerrerob on July 31, 2019, 09:58:30 AM
Toyota?
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Carnut on July 31, 2019, 11:07:54 AM
Quote from: nicanary on July 31, 2019, 09:51:41 AM
Anything to do with the Subaru 360?

Quote from: Carnut on July 11, 2019, 03:14:21 PM
No Subaru bits in it all as far as I know.

Still none!


Quote from: Oguerrerob on July 31, 2019, 09:58:30 AM
Toyota?

No..

Quote from: oko94 on July 31, 2019, 09:41:48 AM
Datsun chassis ?

..but Yes!
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: oko94 on July 31, 2019, 11:26:47 AM
Built between 1950 and 1955 ?
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Carnut on July 31, 2019, 12:30:23 PM
No.
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: pnegyesi on July 31, 2019, 02:39:13 PM
Did you take the picture from a book by Shizuo Takashima?
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Carnut on July 31, 2019, 03:19:10 PM
Yes!
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: oko94 on August 02, 2019, 05:23:28 AM
Can the puzzle car be found online ?
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Carnut on August 02, 2019, 06:50:03 AM
I did try but was unable to find it.
I'd be surprised if it's not online somewhere but probably on a Japanese site.
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: gte4289 on September 11, 2019, 06:43:21 PM
Built in 1957-58?
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Carnut on September 12, 2019, 04:16:52 AM
No, 1956
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: gte4289 on October 08, 2019, 08:03:08 PM
Is the owner/builder's name Jiang or something similar? (A Chinese name in 1950s Japan?)

I've managed to find the page on this vehicle, but approximately 75% of the Japanese text has been rendered illegible. Below are the humorous results of three separate attempts to translate the text. Earlier attempts produced the terms "Rhine" and "Rheingau" (you mentioned the name sounding German), but this is missing from the later, presumably more thorough translations.

I'm still working on it!
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: gte4289 on October 08, 2019, 09:06:10 PM
Tried a new method--did not improve the situation.  :o
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: gte4289 on October 19, 2019, 05:54:57 PM
Quote from: gte4289 on October 08, 2019, 08:03:08 PM
Is the owner/builder's name Jiang or something similar? (A Chinese name in 1950s Japan?)

I've managed to find the page on this vehicle, but approximately 75% of the Japanese text has been rendered illegible. Below are the humorous results of three separate attempts to translate the text. Earlier attempts produced the terms "Rhine" and "Rheingau" (you mentioned the name sounding German), but this is missing from the later, presumably more thorough translations.

I'm still working on it!
?
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Carnut on October 20, 2019, 04:37:51 AM
Sorry, for some reason your post was never highlighted as a new one so I hadn't read it.
Ignore all that!  That's not his name and none of it can be said to be anything to do with this car!
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: gte4289 on October 20, 2019, 01:15:15 PM
Quote from: Carnut on October 20, 2019, 04:37:51 AM
Ignore all that!  That's not his name and none of it can be said to be anything to do with this car!
I think the poor quality of my image and my translation methods are to blame. Here is what I have been working with. (I've blocked out some of the more legible text.) Assuming this book is also your source, does the text below the photograph not describe the vehicle?
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Carnut on October 20, 2019, 01:49:38 PM
Yes, that's the same source.
I spent hours on the Internet trying to translate the text but really got nowhere.  I had no idea there were so many Japanese alphabets and I couldn't find anything which translated it properly so gave up.
I actually got the Japanese wife of a friend of mine to translate it; even she said it was extremely difficult due to the kind of Japanese it was and she wasn't familiar with the alphabet!  But eventually she did it and I believe her info is 100% accurate.
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: gte4289 on October 20, 2019, 08:01:23 PM
Quote from: Carnut on June 24, 2019, 02:40:09 PM
What's this, based on what, made by whom, when - for 1 point?

Quote from: Carnut on October 20, 2019, 01:49:38 PM
Yes, that's the same source.
I spent hours on the Internet trying to translate the text but really got nowhere.  I had no idea there were so many Japanese alphabets and I couldn't find anything which translated it properly so gave up.
I actually got the Japanese wife of a friend of mine to translate it; even she said it was extremely difficult due to the kind of Japanese it was and she wasn't familiar with the alphabet!  But eventually she did it and I believe her info is 100% accurate.
We know what the car was based on, so now we must identify: 1) the person or company responsible and 2) what it's called. Despite the cryptic nature of the Japanese text, does it contain the answers to these two questions?
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Carnut on October 21, 2019, 03:25:05 AM
Yes it does..
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: gte4289 on January 30, 2020, 11:38:38 AM
The book seems to identify the owner at the time. Is this owner also the 'builder' required to solve this puzzle?
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Carnut on January 30, 2020, 01:49:22 PM
According to the translation a Japanese lady did for me only the builder's name is mentioned.
He was of course the owner, but no other owner's name was mentioned in the translation.
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: gte4289 on January 31, 2020, 12:10:10 AM
Quote from: Carnut on January 30, 2020, 01:49:22 PM
According to the translation a Japanese lady did for me only the builder's name is mentioned.
Was first and last name mentioned, or last name only?
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Carnut on January 31, 2020, 04:23:46 AM
Only his surname. He was referred to as "Mr ******" (don't count the stars!)
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: gte4289 on February 01, 2020, 01:20:55 AM
Quote from: Carnut on January 31, 2020, 04:23:46 AM
Only his surname. He was referred to as "Mr ******" (don't count the stars!)
Does the car have a name of its own?
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Carnut on February 01, 2020, 04:42:21 AM
Yes - it's there in the text!
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Carnut on March 17, 2020, 10:37:35 AM
Master Puzzlers?
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Carnut on October 20, 2020, 12:22:15 PM
Black Hole bound I'm afraid...
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Oguerrerob on July 10, 2023, 11:32:33 AM
"This car is not a modified car made by a manufacturer, but a one-of-a-kind item completely assembled by an individual. The owner is Mr. Esashi. The story began when I got a gift of a light four-wheeled wheel called Auto Sandal, and when I was transporting it, the head of the instrument was protruding from the roof. I remember reading about it, so this time I put a Flying Feather engine on the Hamamatsucho Jidosha Tosho Sun chassis and covered it with a hand-made body. If you look at the photos from various sources, you can see that it has changed a little bit each time, but this is the "unfinished" car that gave it its name. It was. Even so, it was a good time when a hand-made car could drive around town with a license plate. (In Minato Ward in 1959)"

(Google Translator)
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Carnut on July 10, 2023, 11:57:25 AM
There are quite a few clues there in your translation, although I have his name as Mr Esaki rather than Mr Esahi. Who knows..
There is a mention of the head of an instrument protruding above the roof: that's because he was a double-bass player!
A clue of the "unfinished" car's name is there too, which is still needed for the solution as well as what chassis it was based on. That "Hamamatsucho Jidosha Tosho Sun" might be a strong clue if you can find a translation of that Japanese!
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Oguerrerob on July 10, 2023, 01:11:43 PM
I've tried several translators,
"This car is not a modified version of a manufacturer's car, but a one-of-a-kind product completely assembled by an individual. I remembered reading somewhere that the owner was Mr. Jiang, a double bass musician, and that the head of the instrument was pulled out from the roof when it was transported. I think the story began with the acquisition of a light 4-wheeled wheel called Autosandal, which was converted into a dutty body, which is probably the second generation in this picture. If you look at the photos in the various documents, they've changed a little bit each time you look at them."

Other Translator:
This car is not a modified version of one made by a manufacturer, but a completely hand-built one. I remembered reading somewhere that "the owner is Mr. Jiang, a double bass musician, and when transporting the instrument, the head of the instrument is pulled out from the roof", so I decided to check out the chassis of the Hamamatsu-cho Jidosha Kokusho Sun with a Flying Feather engine and a handmade body. I tried to look through old magazines, but could not find anything. I think the story started with the acquisition of a light 4-wheeled wheel called "Auto Sandal," and the second generation was probably the one shown in this photo that was converted to a dutty body. Looking at the various photos in the archives, I see that it has changed a little each time."

Sorry, but I can't say which one is the real translation.
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: gte4289 on July 11, 2023, 02:11:34 AM
It seems to be a Datsun chassis with Flying Feather engine and hand-made body, named "Schubert" in its unfinished form (a reference to Schubert's "unfinished" Symphony No. 8 ).
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: gte4289 on July 11, 2023, 02:17:11 AM
Quote from: Carnut on July 10, 2023, 11:57:25 AM
I have his name as Mr Esaki rather than Mr Esahi. Who knows..
It translates to "Mr. Esahi" for me as well.
Title: Re: NEH 5458
Post by: Carnut on July 11, 2023, 06:16:50 AM
Quote from: gte4289 on July 11, 2023, 02:11:34 AM
It seems to be a Datsun chassis with Flying Feather engine and hand-made body, named "Schubert" in its unfinished form (a reference to Schubert's "unfinished" Symphony No. 8 ).

That's exactly what I'm looking for!
Well done.  For some reason the translation I got put an umlaut over the letter 'u' in Schubert, although the composer's name didn't have one of course.  Maybe it's there just to distinguish the name or maybe it's wrong and it shouldn't be there!  Who knows..

Anyway, I've given you your 2 points Wayne and this old puzzle is now solved.
Title: Re: Solved - NEH 5458: Schubert built by Mr Esahi on 1956 Datsun chassis
Post by: gte4289 on July 11, 2023, 12:12:09 PM
Thanks, but maybe split it and give one of those points to Oguerrerob for providing the clear text?
Title: Re: Solved - NEH 5458: Schubert built by Mr Esahi on 1956 Datsun chassis
Post by: Oguerrerob on July 11, 2023, 12:34:06 PM
No need, you deserved those two points. Thanks anyway
Title: Re: Solved - NEH 5458: Schubert built by Mr Esahi on 1956 Datsun chassis
Post by: gte4289 on July 11, 2023, 02:24:13 PM
Thanks to both of you
Title: Re: Solved - NEH 5458: Schubert built by Mr Esahi on 1956 Datsun chassis
Post by: Oguerrerob on November 03, 2024, 12:17:27 PM
Another view
Title: Re: Solved - NEH 5458: Schubert built by Mr Esahi on 1956 Datsun chassis
Post by: Wendax on November 03, 2024, 12:52:51 PM
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Solved - NEH 5458: Schubert built by Mr Esahi on 1956 Datsun chassis
Post by: gte4289 on November 03, 2024, 02:06:11 PM
Quote from: Oguerrerob on November 03, 2024, 12:17:27 PM
Another view
Very nice!