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Title: Solved: Wendax 4173 - Phänomen Granit 25 camper / service truck by Westfalia
Post by: Wendax on December 02, 2023, 04:43:18 AM
In the middle of the town.

For one point, please respond and identify this vehicle, its purpose(s) and its coachbuilder.
Title: Re: Wendax 4173
Post by: Wendax on December 09, 2023, 01:36:08 AM
up
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Post by: sichel on December 09, 2023, 05:13:37 AM
Granit 27?
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Post by: Wendax on December 09, 2023, 05:45:13 AM
Granit yes, 27 no.
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Post by: sichel on December 09, 2023, 07:23:26 AM
Maybe 25 is enough...
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Post by: Wendax on December 09, 2023, 07:25:00 AM
Yes, just add the manufacturer for the easy part.
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Post by: sichel on December 09, 2023, 07:33:07 AM
You are very demanding today ;)  Phänomen-Werke Gustav Hiller AG, Zittau i.S. Btw.: The type designation refers to the cubic capacity (in decilitres, rounded)
Title: Re: Wendax 4173
Post by: Wendax on December 09, 2023, 11:53:17 AM
Right, now for the coachbuilder and the purpose.
Title: Re: Wendax 4173
Post by: sichel on December 09, 2023, 12:47:43 PM
This may take some time...
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Post by: sichel on December 09, 2023, 02:12:29 PM
Pre-war body?
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Post by: Wendax on December 09, 2023, 03:01:29 PM
No
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Post by: sichel on December 09, 2023, 03:28:23 PM
Built in GDR?
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Post by: Wendax on December 09, 2023, 04:48:12 PM
No
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Post by: sichel on December 09, 2023, 05:11:28 PM
FRG?
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Post by: Wendax on December 10, 2023, 02:19:59 AM
Yes, from Western Germany
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Post by: sichel on December 10, 2023, 07:27:25 AM
Built in the south of Germany (Bavaria, Baden-Württemberg)?
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Post by: Wendax on December 10, 2023, 03:09:42 PM
No
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Post by: sichel on December 11, 2023, 01:25:41 PM
From Hesse?
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Post by: Wendax on December 11, 2023, 04:07:06 PM
No
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Post by: sichel on December 12, 2023, 10:37:40 AM
From northern Germany (Lower Saxony, Hamburg, Schleswig-Holstein or Bremen)?
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Post by: Wendax on December 12, 2023, 11:12:53 AM
No
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Post by: sichel on December 12, 2023, 03:53:16 PM
North Rhine-Westphalia
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Post by: Wendax on December 12, 2023, 05:31:20 PM
Yes
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Post by: sichel on December 13, 2023, 02:43:53 PM
Freudenau?
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Post by: Wendax on December 14, 2023, 03:05:46 AM
No
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Post by: sichel on December 16, 2023, 01:48:06 PM
MIGÖ?
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Post by: Wendax on December 16, 2023, 01:49:34 PM
No
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Post by: sichel on December 16, 2023, 01:55:50 PM
Schulze, Kohlstock & Co?
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Post by: Wendax on December 16, 2023, 05:29:15 PM
No
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Post by: sichel on December 17, 2023, 06:42:50 AM
Lueg?
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Post by: Wendax on December 17, 2023, 08:06:50 AM
No
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Post by: sichel on December 18, 2023, 12:54:30 PM
MIKAFA?
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Post by: Wendax on December 18, 2023, 02:11:38 PM
No
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Post by: sichel on December 18, 2023, 04:39:51 PM
Rappold?
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Post by: Wendax on December 19, 2023, 02:56:26 AM
No
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Post by: sichel on December 19, 2023, 05:22:20 AM
FWR?
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Post by: Wendax on December 19, 2023, 06:20:48 AM
No
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Post by: sichel on December 19, 2023, 07:23:14 AM
Are we looking for a well-known coachbuilder?
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Post by: Wendax on December 19, 2023, 07:46:46 AM
Yes
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Post by: sichel on December 19, 2023, 08:24:08 AM
Hebmüller?
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Post by: Wendax on December 19, 2023, 08:28:42 AM
No
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Post by: sichel on December 19, 2023, 09:47:29 AM
P. Bauer?
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Post by: Wendax on December 19, 2023, 10:33:09 AM
No
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Post by: sichel on December 19, 2023, 11:30:20 AM
Hall?
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Post by: Wendax on December 19, 2023, 12:51:40 PM
No
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Post by: sichel on December 19, 2023, 03:21:49 PM
Sommer?
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Post by: Wendax on December 19, 2023, 03:50:00 PM
No
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Post by: sichel on December 19, 2023, 04:17:24 PM
Then perhaps Eylert?
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Post by: Wendax on December 19, 2023, 05:03:57 PM
No
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Post by: sichel on December 20, 2023, 07:07:59 AM
Westfalia??
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Post by: Wendax on December 20, 2023, 07:16:37 AM
Yes, now we have two thirds of the solution. Locked for you to find the vehicle's purpose.
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Post by: sichel on December 20, 2023, 12:58:22 PM
Is that a loudspeaker on the cab?
Title: Re: Wendax 4173
Post by: Wendax on December 20, 2023, 01:40:20 PM
Yes, I think so.
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Post by: sichel on December 20, 2023, 04:30:10 PM
Hmm??  :huh: Loudspeakers, folding stairs, increased headroom in the centre aisle, windows. Advertising with the loudspeaker, sale in the vehicle. Tickets for the circus or similar...  :scratch:
Title: Re: Wendax 4173
Post by: Wendax on December 21, 2023, 02:46:31 AM
Advertising with the loudspeaker: Yes
Sale in the vehicle: maybe, but not the main reason for the coachwork
Tickets for the circus or similar: Not at all
Title: Re: Wendax 4173
Post by: sichel on December 21, 2023, 05:25:21 AM
Post-war period, houses still being rebuilt, lack of premises for offices and shops: Rolling advice centre for insurance, building society savings contracts and the like?
Title: Re: Wendax 4173
Post by: Wendax on December 21, 2023, 05:31:23 AM
Good idea, but no.
The second purpose besides marketing was a practical one, with some respect to the circumstances of its time.
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Post by: sichel on December 21, 2023, 05:40:39 AM
Bank branch on wheels.
Title: Re: Wendax 4173
Post by: max on December 21, 2023, 07:26:06 AM
Consumer products demonstration, such as sewing machines?
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Post by: Wendax on December 21, 2023, 07:45:05 AM
Quote from: sichel on December 21, 2023, 05:40:39 AM
Bank branch on wheels.
No

Quote from: max on December 21, 2023, 07:26:06 AM
Consumer products demonstration, such as sewing machines?
The puzzle is still locked for sichel, but I will grant one point to sichel for naming truck and coachbuilder, unlock the puzzle and offer a second point for answering these questions:
- What is the vehicle's purpose besides promoting?
- Whom was it built for?
- What makes it special then?

The vehicle was used for promotional demonstrations of goods which might be consumer goods as well as being used professionally. But those products were not shown inside the vehicle.
Title: Re: Wendax 4173
Post by: sichel on December 21, 2023, 08:31:50 AM
Advertising for Westfalia trailer-couplings and trailers.
Title: Re: Wendax 4173
Post by: Wendax on December 21, 2023, 09:21:47 AM
How a little bit of competition unearthes solutions!  ;D
It was indeed built by Westfalia for themselves as part of a promotion train for their trailers and couplings.

Locked for you again to add the second purpose and what makes it therefore special.
Title: Re: Wendax 4173
Post by: sichel on December 21, 2023, 10:31:50 AM
Functional models of the clutches are established. Demonstration of the function for potential customers, training in assembly and repair for workshop personnel.
Title: Re: Wendax 4173
Post by: Wendax on December 21, 2023, 12:25:39 PM
No, you think too complicated.
Title: Re: Wendax 4173
Post by: sichel on December 21, 2023, 12:29:18 PM
Was there catering for the customers? Sausages! Coffee!!! Something special in those days.
Title: Re: Wendax 4173
Post by: Wendax on December 21, 2023, 02:03:00 PM
No, but getting closer.
Title: Re: Wendax 4173
Post by: sichel on December 21, 2023, 05:27:03 PM
Seek and ye shall find. For example, a model of the Westfalia advertising train, albeit with a Ford FK 3500 (unfortunately it's already too late for the Christmas wish list).
Unlike the Phänomenon, it has no windows. So the loudspeaker was probably only there to attract and inform customers. The Phänomen had a small seating area in the rear. For customer meetings and/or for employees to stay. The rest of the superstructure was used to transport the material, possibly also partly for exhibition purposes.
Title: Re: Wendax 4173
Post by: Wendax on December 22, 2023, 01:58:47 AM
Quote from: sichel on December 21, 2023, 05:27:03 PM
The Phänomen had a small seating area in the rear. For customer meetings and/or for employees to stay.
Now you are almost there. It is all correct, just one additional function of that area is missing.  :doh:

Great model, by the way.
Title: Re: Wendax 4173
Post by: sichel on December 22, 2023, 05:48:01 AM
Microphone and other technology for operating the loudspeaker system.
Title: Re: Wendax 4173
Post by: Wendax on December 22, 2023, 05:54:21 AM
No, remember the company.
Title: Re: Wendax 4173
Post by: sichel on December 22, 2023, 06:17:39 AM
Samples of facilities for caravans and motorhomes.
Title: Re: Wendax 4173
Post by: Wendax on December 22, 2023, 08:33:39 AM
Still hopping around the solution with just a little achievement.

Quote from: Wendax on December 22, 2023, 01:58:47 AM
Quote from: sichel on December 21, 2023, 05:27:03 PM
The Phänomen had a small seating area in the rear. For customer meetings and/or for employees to stay.
Now you are almost there. It is all correct, just one additional function of that area is missing.
Title: Re: Wendax 4173
Post by: sichel on December 22, 2023, 10:12:56 AM
Lowerable table?
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Post by: Wendax on December 22, 2023, 10:22:18 AM
I don't know, but it would be possible in order to provide what?
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Post by: sichel on December 22, 2023, 10:34:28 AM
A sleeping area?
Title: Re: Wendax 4173
Post by: Wendax on December 22, 2023, 11:23:16 AM
We are making progress! So looking at Westfalia's later portfolio, what can this vehicle be called?
Title: Re: Wendax 4173
Post by: sichel on December 22, 2023, 03:39:12 PM
A display model of the Camping Box at the rear.
Title: Re: Wendax 4173
Post by: Wendax on December 23, 2023, 05:15:34 AM
Okay, let's put an end to this. All facts are laid out. The truck was a 1938 Phänomen Granit 25 which received its bodywork by Westfalia in 1948. One of the reasons was the scarce availability of hotel rooms back then. So this one can be called Westfalia's first campervan which would mark the 75th anniversary of Westfalia campervans this year.
a second hard-earned point for you.
Title: Re: Solved: Wendax 4173 - Phänomen Granit 25 camper / service truck by Westfalia
Post by: sichel on December 23, 2023, 05:30:04 AM
Many Thanks for this point. Sometimes the penny dropped by the penny.