Please, identify this car and which kind on formula is it
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Australia?
No
Van Diemen?
Not Van Diemen
Formula 3 ?
not a Formula 3
Formula Atlantic?
Not a Formula Atlantic
Formula 5000?
Made in Europe ?
That's european but not a formula 5000
Van Hool?
Made in UK ?
I'm not 100% sure what country the car was built in but it's not the UK
oups, I forget you. Not Van Hool
Something to do with Osella?
No connection with Osella
Formula 2?
Not a Formula 2
Formula libre?
Not a Formula Libre
Marinho?
Not Marinho
Formula 1?
Not a Formula 1
European
Not made in UK
F1
F2
F3
F5000
F Atlantic
F Libre
F3000?
Thanks for the recap. It is correct. Not a Formula 3000
Made in a Mediterranean country ?
Cup of Peace and Friendship?
Quote from: gte4289 on January 25, 2025, 12:31:32 AM
Cup of Peace and Friendship?
No. It is a very well-known Formula class but despite your numerous suggestions it has not yet been found.
Formula Pacific ?
Engine smaller than 2000 cc ?
Marcadier?
Formula France/Renault?
Formula Ford 2000 ?
ah here we are, correct oko94
There must be some misunderstandings, as the wheel rim dimensions in FF2000 regulations are limited to 6"x13" (front) and 8"x13" (rear); the wheels of the puzzle car look far wider
Nevertheless I will try it with:
CTG FF 2000?
Nomad ?
Only to show the wheel size differencies between puzzle car and Nomad Formula Ford 2000 (front 6x13, rear 8x13)
Furthermore the exhaust manifold and -pipe of the Ford Pinto engine are on the right side, but surprisingly I couldn't dedect anything there. Really a astonishing puzzle for me. Let's see, what happens
I agree, these fat, rear tires are puzzling. Once the car is identified we will figure it out hopefully.
I guess you're right about the wheels, and probably the Formula Ford info is wrong...or not. Now I think we should continue the puzzle and not delete it. If you want we can put it in the black hole. As I often say, I have very little information on my cars because I only find a photo without necessarily having explanations on the models. This puzzle came from a forum (which is often correct) so an error is possible
I don't know what the puzzle car is, but I know for sure, it can't be a FF 2000. Because of far too wide wheels and secondly, as previously mentioned, I am missing the exhaust system protruding on the right side under the engine cover. Of course, it can be a modified FF 2000, but I think, it isn't. The technical regulations of FF 2000 prohibit the usage of a monocoque chassis. The chassis must be a tubular steel one. The use of tubular steel frames in a faster race classes are since the mid-70s rather unusual
Nevertheless here is my next guess:
Is it a 'Sark'?
Quote from: BERTRAND on January 07, 2025, 05:47:05 AM
I'm not 100% sure what country the car was built in but it's not the UK
Understanding this is not 100%, do you think the brand/builder was likely Belgian?
I have confirmation of the country of construction. It's not Belgian and it's not a Sark. Fromwien, Oko94, Could it be possible that this is a Vee formula?
Netherlands?
Not from Holland
Swiss?
Made in Scandinavia ?
Horag?
not Horag, not Scandinavian and not Swiss
Austrian?
Made in Germany ?
Maco?
Not Maco but germany is correct
Still absolutely no idea, so a shot into the dark: TOJ 1974?
it is not a Toj. But I'm worried because if you can't find it, does that mean my source is wrong? This will be the first time that you can't find one of my monopostos.
Quote from: BERTRAND on January 31, 2025, 11:21:14 AM
it is not a Toj. But I'm worried because if you can't find it, does that mean my source is wrong? This will be the first time that you can't find one of my monopostos.
For sure, your source will be right. It takes me headaches, as I have really no idea, what this car is.
Is it from 1974?
I don't have the date of construction of this car. But looking at the timeline of the manufacturer's other models, this model came after 1974
Zakspeed ?
Not a Zakspeed
Derichs?
TUI Supernova?
not Derichs and not Tui
Schiesser?
:applause: :applause: Give me the model, now. I locked the puzzle for you
Schiesser Mk 5, 1978, Formula Ford 2000
picture attached with regular FF 2000 wheel configuration
Another puzzle too easy for you, fromwien. My sources that I had on this puzzle were therefore correct. One more good point for you
I think that the puzzle photo may show the car fitted with wider tyres for competing in an event which was not to the FF2000 regulations. Maybe a formule libre race or hillclimb. The high engine cover is confusing - the engine is much smaller than that, but maybe it acted as an intake for air.
Quote from: nicanary on February 03, 2025, 06:18:25 AM
I think that the puzzle photo may show the car fitted with wider tyres for competing in an event which was not to the FF2000 regulations. Maybe a formule libre race or hillclimb. The high engine cover is confusing - the engine is much smaller than that, but maybe it acted as an intake for air.
I agree with you. Under the high engine cover, the exhaust system found its place. High over the valve cover. Usually it can be clearly seen at the right side of the car. On the photo, I was missing it, as also the usual side pods. So the puzzle car was a long time mystery for me
Quote from: BERTRAND on February 03, 2025, 05:41:38 AM
Another puzzle too easy for you, fromwien. My sources that I had on this puzzle were therefore correct. One more good point for you
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Dear, BERTRAND, this was a very challenging puzzle for all of us, I think. Yes, your source was correct, but, as stated by 'nicanary', the puzzle photo may show the car fitted with wider tyres for competing in an event which was not to the FF2000 regulations.
Thank you very much
Quote from: fromwien on February 02, 2025, 05:08:03 AM
Schiesser Mk 5, 1978, Formula Ford 2000
picture attached with regular FF 2000 wheel configuration
fromwien, can you give me the photo you posted in more larger, please. This is for my personal database. Thanks
Done :thumbsup:
Thank you