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AutoPuzzles Today => Automotive Book Reviews => Topic started by: Paul Jaray on August 17, 2009, 04:47:13 PM

Title: Suggestions
Post by: Paul Jaray on August 17, 2009, 04:47:13 PM
I'd like to start another topic about books.
Here you can ask for which book is, according to the member's opinion, the best one on a certain topic.
I'll start:
Is there a book for specialist cars, kit-cars or replicas built outside UK and USA?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Allemano on August 17, 2009, 05:04:39 PM
That's a fine idea!
I'm searching for a encyclopedic books of concept cars like Gloor's 'Zukunftsautos'.
But for the 60s, 70s and 90s.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: 75america on August 17, 2009, 05:12:53 PM
And I'm looking for a book that covers all Japanese (production) cars.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Paul Jaray on August 17, 2009, 05:14:38 PM
I'm sure you know "American Dream Cars" by Mitchel J. Frumkin and Phil Hall, Krause Publications, ISBN: 0-87349-491-1
http://www.amazon.com/American-Dream-Cars-Concept-Vehicles/dp/0873494911
BW pictures (but there is a 32-page insert full of colored pics), some of them are of a really poor quality, but there are all the american concepts, GM, Ford, Chrysler and Independent. More than 350 pages. Full of info. I'll post a review when I'll done with the catalogues.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Paul Jaray on August 17, 2009, 05:45:47 PM
And I'm looking for a book that covers all Japanese (production) cars.
Me too.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Quiller on August 17, 2009, 06:41:47 PM
And I'm looking for a book that covers all Japanese (production) cars.
Me too.

There is no one book that does everything but I do recommend the four-volume Car Watchers Guide from Car Graphic - one volume on Toyota, one on Nissan/Prince, one on Mitsubishi/Mazda and the last on all the rest. Mostly pictorial but some text too (all Japanese). It's a real anorak guide to every year of every car sold in Japan up to the early 1990s

It's also worth tracking down the book "The Complete History of the Japanese Car 1907 to the Present" (well 1986 at least) by Marco Ruiz, published by Portland House (ISBN 0-517-61777-3)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Allemano on August 17, 2009, 06:55:42 PM
It's also worth tracking down the book "The Complete History of the Japanese Car 1907 to the Present" (well 1986 at least) by Marco Ruiz, published by Portland House (ISBN 0-517-61777-3)

I have this book and its not the most exhaustive.
The big volume you've suggested seems to be only available in Japanese language ,but is probaby a treasury.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Paul Jaray on September 14, 2009, 07:20:53 AM
Any idea for a book about kit-cars, replicas or specialty cars built outside UK and USA?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Arunas on September 14, 2009, 07:39:26 AM
Any idea for a book about kit-cars, replicas or specialty cars built outside UK and USA?

I would like to hear about similar literature too...
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Allemano on September 14, 2009, 07:56:24 AM
Is the kit-car book suggestion Paul Jaray made this morning yet not an appropriate source?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Arunas on September 14, 2009, 08:02:09 AM
Is the kit-car book suggestion Paul Jaray made this morning yet not an appropriate source?

outside UK and USA
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Allemano on September 14, 2009, 08:10:57 AM
 :bag:
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Ultra on September 14, 2009, 02:26:32 PM
Something to think about.

A five star rating system with the stars in the title of the thread.

*         Poorly done book
**       Generally poor with some redeeming qualities
***      Average
****    A Good Book
*****  The Best

Would make searching for the good books lots easier.

Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: faksta on October 30, 2009, 07:42:31 AM
Can I ask a different question here? Has anyone seen a book called 'Autodesign in Nederland' by Jan Lammerse? It is said to contain an information about some Dutch racing specials. If someone has any information about it, is it worth looking for (and is it actually expensive)?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Allemano on October 30, 2009, 09:44:42 AM
Something to think about.

A five star rating system with the stars in the title of the thread.

*         Poorly done book
**       Generally poor with some redeeming qualities
***      Average
****    A Good Book
*****  The Best

Would make searching for the good books lots easier.




a good idea I think. Done!
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: DynaMike on October 30, 2009, 10:16:21 AM
Can I ask a different question here? Has anyone seen a book called 'Autodesign in Nederland' by Jan Lammerse? It is said to contain an information about some Dutch racing specials. If someone has any information about it, is it worth looking for (and is it actually expensive)?

I have this book. It was on my "list to do"...
The book is full of interesting facts about Dutch cars. Some very old vehicles (the oldest from 1834!), lots of infos about Daf and Volvo production cars, smaller productions as Max, Shelter and many others, and lots of self-built cars of which indeed many were used as racing special. I think it is really a very interesting book, though it is helpful if you read Dutch  ;)
I bought it back in the 90s, when it was new (released in 1993), but I found it for sale on internet for about 25 euro, which seems to me t be a fair price for this gem.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 30, 2009, 11:12:59 AM
I read about this book some time ago, and since then I was not able to find a single copy for sale... :-\
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: DynaMike on October 30, 2009, 12:10:31 PM
http://www.e-sales.nl/autonet/?Content=productdetail&prod_id=46241&cat=16325
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: guido66 on October 30, 2009, 02:40:06 PM
My house is just around the corner of that shop! ;D
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: faksta on October 30, 2009, 04:40:18 PM
Thank you! I hope it will remain available for some time  ::)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 30, 2009, 04:41:55 PM
I hope they have more than 1 copy.

EDIT - They have 6 copies left. (soon will be 5)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: faksta on October 31, 2009, 01:56:02 PM
These are good news!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: pnegyesi on October 31, 2009, 01:58:40 PM
I am not fluent in Dutch. How can I order this book?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: DynaMike on October 31, 2009, 02:06:22 PM
Here is a link of the seller: http://www.e-sales.nl/autonet//files/conditions/PaymentConditions.doc (scroll down to the end to see payment conditions in English). And for extra info about shipping costs: their e-mail address is info@autonetcarbooks.com or, if it doesn't work (because they seem to change the provider): http://www.e-sales.nl/autonet ,or you just try the phone: +31765979999 (on Thursday and Friday from 10 AM till 4 PM or Saturday from 10 AM til 5 PM).
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 31, 2009, 02:07:22 PM
Guido66 just told me that there is also the English page, just click on the flag on the bottom left.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: pnegyesi on October 31, 2009, 02:19:41 PM
Thanks for all the help, I'll order a copy early next week one way or the other :)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: faksta on October 31, 2009, 02:31:27 PM
Something to think about.

A five star rating system with the stars in the title of the thread.

*         Poorly done book
**       Generally poor with some redeeming qualities
***      Average
****    A Good Book
*****  The Best

Would make searching for the good books lots easier.



Well, let's impose some criteria then? For example, 'Avtomobili Rossijskoi Imperii' by S.Kiriletz which I have posted seems to be the most valuable source on pre-1917 Russian cars ever, but it is printed on a bad paper and it also has some grammar mistakes  ::) . For its information I would mark it with the highest 5-star rate (I would give it 6 if it was possible), but in complex it may lose one star, although those trackbacks are more of aesthetics than anything else.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 18, 2009, 02:25:31 PM
Can I ask a different question here? Has anyone seen a book called 'Autodesign in Nederland' by Jan Lammerse? It is said to contain an information about some Dutch racing specials. If someone has any information about it, is it worth looking for (and is it actually expensive)?
Here is a link of the seller: http://www.e-sales.nl/autonet//files/conditions/PaymentConditions.doc (scroll down to the end to see payment conditions in English). And for extra info about shipping costs: their e-mail address is info@autonetcarbooks.com or, if it doesn't work (because they seem to change the provider): http://www.e-sales.nl/autonet ,or you just try the phone: +31765979999 (on Thursday and Friday from 10 AM till 4 PM or Saturday from 10 AM til 5 PM).
I just received the book, and it's really good!
The seller is very comunicative and professional, there should be 5 copies left now.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: pnegyesi on November 18, 2009, 02:39:10 PM
Actually four, I just ordered mine :)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Quiller on November 18, 2009, 03:01:02 PM
Has anyone seen a book called 'Autodesign in Nederland' by Jan Lammerse?
Here is a link of the seller: http://www.e-sales.nl/autonet//files/conditions/PaymentConditions.doc (scroll down to the end to see payment conditions in English). And for extra info about shipping costs: their e-mail address is info@autonetcarbooks.com or, if it doesn't work (because they seem to change the provider): http://www.e-sales.nl/autonet ,or you just try the phone: +31765979999 (on Thursday and Friday from 10 AM till 4 PM or Saturday from 10 AM til 5 PM).
I just received the book, and it's really good!
The seller is very comunicative and professional, there should be 5 copies left now.

I'd like to add my voice to how good this book is, even if my Dutch is ungelovlijk. If only there were a book like this for every nation...
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Allemano on November 18, 2009, 03:20:50 PM
Tried to order just now, but there's no shipment to Germany provided .. :'(
I guess I'm not going on a 200km trip to pick up the book at Wernhout's book store
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 18, 2009, 03:31:24 PM
I'm sure you'll find a way if you ask directly to them.
In any case I can take it for you and send it over.
(I sent you a PM)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Allemano on November 18, 2009, 03:33:24 PM
... In any case I can take it for you and send it over.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Allemano on November 18, 2009, 04:52:55 PM
AutoNet Carbooks is an excellent (online) book store! Friendly and quick communication :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Ultra on November 18, 2009, 08:13:42 PM
Nice to see the group working together to solve this issue.

A fellow I know via internet recently brought me 2 of only 3000 bottles of a certain whiskey only available in Canada.  Another fine example of how the community can work together to avoid the stupid rules of borders.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: faksta on November 19, 2009, 03:20:32 PM
Strange situation with you, Allemano, as it seems they have no problems with shipping to Russia. I have just contacted them and I hope I will purchase the book in a couple days as I register my PayPal account.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 19, 2009, 03:26:46 PM
They ship worldwide, but there were some issues with the old website, where it seems they don't.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Allemano on November 19, 2009, 03:27:06 PM
Strange situation with you, Allemano, as it seems they have no problems with shipping to Russia. I have just contacted them and I hope I will purchase the book in a couple days as I register my PayPal account.

They had those problems as they launched their new webpage just yesterday. I guess they updated since and fixed the bugs we still had the day before.

Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: 75america on November 19, 2009, 03:47:52 PM
The Autopuzzles effect is clearly visible on their website.  ;D
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: DynaMike on November 19, 2009, 04:11:40 PM
http://www.e-sales.nl/autonet/?Content=productdetail&prod_id=46241&cat=16325

Maybe I should ask for a percentage in the sales  ;D
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: faksta on November 19, 2009, 04:13:51 PM
Well, it seems there are no books left in their stock, as I have just placed my order  :shiner:
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Allemano on November 24, 2009, 07:28:58 AM
I'd like to add my voice to how good this book is, even if my Dutch is ungelovlijk. If only there were a book like this for every nation...
I completely agree!
Fortunately this book isn't solely in the hand of one puzzler.< ;D
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: 75america on November 26, 2009, 11:59:19 AM
Christmas is coming closer, so it is time to threat myself again on a package books from Libreria dell’automobile.  :cheer:

I’m already filling up my cart, but there is still some space left.  ;D

They have some books one sale that I do not know.
Is there anybody who knows if the following 2 books are any good (Lot's of rare Italian post war cars):

POLVERE E GLORIA: LA COPPA D’ORO DELLE DOLOMITI 1947/56


TARGA FLORIO. UN’EPOPEA DEL NOVECENTO - Il libro ufficiale del centenario

Also does anybody knows if the book ‘DICTIONARY OF WORLD COACHBUILDERS AND CAR STYLISTS’ is interesting, once you already have the Beaulieu encyclopedia of the Automobile: coachbuilding (which is IMO a little bit of a disappointment because it is not comprehensive at all)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: pnegyesi on November 26, 2009, 02:31:36 PM
Suman is a good friend. His "dictionary" is comprehensive, but in reality it is just an A-Z list with a lot of names, years of activity and country.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: faksta on December 04, 2009, 08:45:05 AM
My  copy has arrived today from AutoNet. Great read, to be said. I was surprised to see quite many racing cars among them.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: jotage21 on December 09, 2009, 03:36:50 PM
http://www.e-sales.nl/autonet/?Content=productdetail&prod_id=46241&cat=16325

Maybe I should ask for a percentage in the sales  ;D
Sure, I had bought one copy too thanks to your suggestion.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: jotage21 on December 14, 2009, 02:03:49 PM
Two free downloadable books. The first one is about the cars made by FEI. The second one is about a mini jeep made in Brazil in the 50´s.
 
http://www.fei.edu.br/aut.htm
 
http://www.jipetupi.com.br/
 
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Otto Puzzell on December 14, 2009, 02:22:43 PM
Awesome - thanks!
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: faksta on December 14, 2009, 02:30:30 PM
FEI book is brilliant! Thank you!
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Allemano on May 20, 2010, 01:21:55 PM
Unfortunately it's the wrong volume for me as I already have this issue: Europäische Kleinwagen 1945 - 1955 (http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270581452980&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:DE:1123)
But for those who are looking for this book in particular it's still on a reasonable price level..
 
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: DeAutogids.nl on May 21, 2010, 04:52:09 AM
Anyone interested int he French version of the Belgian car history book "Histoire de l'Automobiles Belge"?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: pnegyesi on May 21, 2010, 04:57:56 AM
Yes, I am interested
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 21, 2010, 05:03:15 AM
I'm sure a lot of our members would like to see it. You'll get no Battle of the Belge here.  ;)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Paul Jaray on May 21, 2010, 06:20:27 AM
I DO!  ;)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Allemano on May 21, 2010, 07:15:05 AM
Anyone interested int he French version of the Belgian car history book "Histoire de l'Automobiles Belge"?
Yes I am!
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: faksta on May 21, 2010, 08:33:42 AM
Anyone interested int he French version of the Belgian car history book "Histoire de l'Automobiles Belge"?

Depends on the asking price and whether it features racing cars :)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: DeAutogids.nl on May 21, 2010, 05:03:31 PM
It does, but only marginally and not as a seperate subject.

I send a PM to the first interested person on the subject, but no reply to date.
In principal, I go from the first poster onward. If he says no, then I will PM the next person.

I am asking the price I bought it for, as the book simply is in very good state an dis from 1981. I bought the version before realising I can get it in my own language (as in Dutch), so the only reason it is for sale is the language.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Paul Jaray on May 21, 2010, 05:37:49 PM
I don't know if I'm in the list, but in case, I won't be able to answer till tuesday, and the answer will be: OK!
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: DeAutogids.nl on May 21, 2010, 05:40:10 PM
I don't know if I'm in the list, but in case, I won't be able to answer till tuesday, and the answer will be: OK!
Your second, waiting on an answer.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Paul Jaray on May 21, 2010, 05:46:34 PM
Thank you. ;)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: grobmotorix on May 21, 2010, 11:46:12 PM
The very best summary about belgian industrian car and motorbike production is this book of the RMU (Royal Motor Union) of Liege of 1951. (*****out of *****)

It´s hard to get, but a real gem and full of pictures and information (pre 1951, of course...). See picture below

I´ve bought mine for 25 Euros, mostly you won´t get it for less than 120 EUR.

A cheaper and newer book is: "La Belgique et L´Automobile/Belgie en de Automobiel" in french and dutch, etited by Delhaize (ISBN 2-87341-001-9) see bottom picture:

(***out of*****)

Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: faksta on May 26, 2010, 02:23:25 PM
Does anyone have the book called '100 ans de Sport Automobiles Belge'? I've seen only the shot of it closed, and suppose it is quite a big one. But is it worthy? Does it tell about the races only or about Belgian vehicles as well?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: DeAutogids.nl on May 26, 2010, 03:38:04 PM
The front page hints at Belgian races, but as for example the Oostende-races were frequented by Belgian cars, theres bound to be a couple in there like Springuel and Imperia. Am I sure about that? No. But it would make sense.
Title: Pininfarina 1930-1980
Post by: João on May 27, 2010, 02:38:45 PM
Hi! It´s me again.

Let me know if this is a great book!

Thanks guys :)
Title: Re: Pininfarina 1930-1980
Post by: Paul Jaray on May 27, 2010, 02:53:14 PM
Are you going to post a review of it or you'd like to know about it?
Title: Re: Pininfarina 1930-1980
Post by: Allemano on May 27, 2010, 02:54:03 PM
the latter I guess..
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Paul Jaray on May 27, 2010, 03:00:29 PM
This topic is the right place then...
Title: Re: Pininfarina 1930-1980
Post by: João on May 27, 2010, 03:14:21 PM
Are you going to post a review of it or you'd like to know about it?

Thank you! That´s the place for it. I would like to know more about it
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Paul Jaray on January 31, 2012, 05:51:09 AM
Shopping again...I'd like to know if these books are worth the expense:
Is there a view of the inside? They are not expensive, but If I buy one of them, I have to buy them all...
What do you think?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Allemano on January 31, 2012, 05:55:23 AM
.. and this?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Paul Jaray on January 31, 2012, 05:56:20 AM
I already bought this book I found at a reasonable price...if it's a good one I'll complete the serie.
Is there anyone who already got it?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Paul Jaray on January 31, 2012, 05:58:55 AM
.. and this?
La storia, la produzione e le gare che hanno visto la presenza delle famose vetture preparate dal tecnico torinese. Dalla Chichibio alle Sport, al Bisiluro, dalla Raggio Azzurro alla Syntesis. I rapporti con Danese, con i carrozzieri, Vignale, Frua, Michelotti, con le Case, Bmw, Alfa Romeo, Siata, Closley. 
Un ricco apparato fotografico e l’elenco delle gare che hanno visto le Nardi alla partenza, completano la pubblicazione.

Year: 2009
Text: Italiano
Pages: 198
Format: cm. 25x29
Pics: 350 B/N e COL

Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Allemano on January 31, 2012, 06:04:51 AM
I already bought this book I found at a reasonable price...if it's a good one I'll complete the serie.
Is there anyone who already got it?
I don't have this particular volume, but others of that series. All of them are quite well made and more or less comprehensive, but only contain plain b+w pictures. So they're more for reference than for enjoying fancy photos.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Allemano on January 31, 2012, 06:06:03 AM
.. and this?
La storia, la produzione e le gare che hanno visto la presenza delle famose vetture preparate dal tecnico torinese. Dalla Chichibio alle Sport, al Bisiluro, dalla Raggio Azzurro alla Syntesis. I rapporti con Danese, con i carrozzieri, Vignale, Frua, Michelotti, con le Case, Bmw, Alfa Romeo, Siata, Closley. 
Un ricco apparato fotografico e l’elenco delle gare che hanno visto le Nardi alla partenza, completano la pubblicazione.

Year: 2009
Text: Italiano
Pages: 198
Format: cm. 25x29
Pics: 350 B/N e COL


I know the description ;D, but is it worth the price of ~ € 60.00?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Arunas on January 31, 2012, 12:40:12 PM
Shopping again...I'd like to know if these books are worth the expense:
Is there a view of the inside? They are not expensive, but If I buy one of them, I have to buy them all...
What do you think?

Hi!

The volume of 1920s is a very good one! Lots of obscure cars are mentioned and shown here...
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Allan L on January 31, 2012, 01:02:59 PM
I already bought this book I found at a reasonable price...if it's a good one I'll complete the serie.
Is there anyone who already got it?
I don't have this particular volume, but others of that series. All of them are quite well made and more or less comprehensive, but only contain plain b+w pictures. So they're more for reference than for enjoying fancy photos.
I too have no experience of the later volumes.
I bought that volume as a work of reference when I was involved with the Veteran Car Club's Dating Panel - it came highly recommended and it was quite useful but did not seem as mistake-free as I'd hoped, even to me working in a second language! I haven't got it now as I sold it to the Club!
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Paul Jaray on January 31, 2012, 01:32:54 PM
Shopping again...I'd like to know if these books are worth the expense:
Is there a view of the inside? They are not expensive, but If I buy one of them, I have to buy them all...
What do you think?

Hi!

The volume of 1920s is a very good one! Lots of obscure cars are mentioned and shown here...
Perfect! I know we have the same idea of 'obscure cars'  ;D.
Could you post some pics of the inside? I think I'll buy it eventually, but I don't need another book with all the usual cars...
I already bought this book I found at a reasonable price...if it's a good one I'll complete the serie.
Is there anyone who already got it?
I don't have this particular volume, but others of that series. All of them are quite well made and more or less comprehensive, but only contain plain b+w pictures. So they're more for reference than for enjoying fancy photos.
I too have no experience of the later volumes.
I bought that volume as a work of reference when I was involved with the Veteran Car Club's Dating Panel - it came highly recommended and it was quite useful but did not seem as mistake-free as I'd hoped, even to me working in a second language! I haven't got it now as I sold it to the Club!

Thank you Allan, yours and Allemano's opinion are what I was looking for.
These are the kind of books I'm looking for to complete my index, any suggestion is welcome, expecially for racing cars...my next (and last for a while) question is about this:
Is there anyone who have it?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: pnegyesi on January 31, 2012, 02:02:03 PM
Yes, I have that Encyclopedia. I am not an expert on racing cars, so I can't tell how comprehensive it is. It talks a lot about various races, racetracks, various racing people and there a lot of racing cars, but I don't think it is really thorough
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Arunas on January 31, 2012, 02:03:12 PM
Random shots...

Also note, that the author of this book is Nick Baldwin!
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Paul Jaray on January 31, 2012, 04:49:08 PM
Random shots...

Also note, that the author of this book is Nick Baldwin!
Grazie mille.
I'll definetly take it...and the others too...I found them all by the same seller.
Yes, I have that Encyclopedia. I am not an expert on racing cars, so I can't tell how comprehensive it is. It talks a lot about various races, racetracks, various racing people and there a lot of racing cars, but I don't think it is really thorough
I would like to know if there are listed the makers of racing cars like are the makers listed in the 'Encyclopedia of the Automobile' and in the 'New Encyclopedia' or the coachbuilders are listed in the "Coachbuilding Encyclopedia" or is just a huge book full of nice pictures about pilots, races, racing cars without the intent to cover all the makers.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: woodinsight on February 01, 2012, 01:35:38 AM
Random shots...

Also note, that the author of this book is Nick Baldwin!
Grazie mille.
I'll definetly take it...and the others too...I found them all by the same seller.
Yes, I have that Encyclopedia. I am not an expert on racing cars, so I can't tell how comprehensive it is. It talks a lot about various races, racetracks, various racing people and there a lot of racing cars, but I don't think it is really thorough
I would like to know if there are listed the makers of racing cars like are the makers listed in the 'Encyclopedia of the Automobile' and in the 'New Encyclopedia' or the coachbuilders are listed in the "Coachbuilding Encyclopedia" or is just a huge book full of nice pictures about pilots, races, racing cars without the intent to cover all the makers.
I also have Georgano's 'Encyclopedia of Motor Sport' and have used it extensively over the last 25 years.
Like many encyclopedias it is not comprehensive (that would take many volumes) but it is very good in what it does cover. It is divided into three sections - Race series/circuits/etc. - Drivers - Cars - and has a good index.
It covers all these subjects in a general way but it is useful if you use it in conjunction with other books that cover a particular subject in depth. Photos are mainly black & white with a few sections in colour.
The book is quite old now and it would be great to see a revised/updated version although I doubt that will happen now with so much information now available on-line.
Anyway I would recommend that you acquire a copy before it becomes rare and the price goes up.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 01, 2012, 02:23:21 AM
Thank you. I'm interested in the 'Cars' part...is it (more or less) comprehensive or it just covers the usual big names? I'm looking for a reference book for race cars, like the Standard Catalogs or the Beaulieu...not complete but full of minor ones...
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: woodinsight on February 01, 2012, 01:11:27 PM
Thank you. I'm interested in the 'Cars' part...is it (more or less) comprehensive or it just covers the usual big names? I'm looking for a reference book for race cars, like the Standard Catalogs or the Beaulieu...not complete but full of minor ones...
I can't tell you much as the book is in another location at the moment.
There are quite a number of small makes included (not all but enough to make the book interesting) and the well-known makes are all covered of course.
I thought it was a very good effort at the time it was first published.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: faksta on February 02, 2012, 02:11:25 AM
PJ, did you find it somewhere on offer already or would you be searching?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 02, 2012, 03:34:48 AM
I found it on ebay but there are several copies around.
Since it's above my Buy-it-Now limit I'd like to know it more before buying it.
I'm looking for a source about racing cars, I know it can't be comprehensive, but at least one that covers all the known names with a decent story and more or less all the models plus all the minor ones that can be found with theyr models...
I've got other books covering obscure racers, like the American ones and some more I took after reading the reviews here (Automobilrennsport in der DDR, Premiery Nadseni, etc...).
I know I can found Lola or McLaren cars on many websites, but I'd like a book as a reference too.
I'm afraid this book is more like a photographic opera, with good shots of races, pilots, tracks but it's not organized as an encyclopedia. I found few pics of the inside onlile and they confirm my impression.
Woodinsight review is making me change my mind again...
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: woodinsight on February 02, 2012, 04:02:27 AM
I found it on ebay but there are several copies around.
Since it's above my Buy-it-Now limit I'd like to know it more before buying it.
I'm looking for a source about racing cars, I know it can't be comprehensive, but at least one that covers all the known names with a decent story and more or less all the models plus all the minor ones that can be found with theyr models...
I've got other books covering obscure racers, like the American ones and some more I took after reading the reviews here (Automobilrennsport in der DDR, Premiery Nadseni, etc...).
I know I can found Lola or McLaren cars on many websites, but I'd like a book as a reference too.
I'm afraid this book is more like a photographic opera, with good shots of races, pilots, tracks but it's not organized as an encyclopedia. I found few pics of the inside onlile and they confirm my impression.
Woodinsight review is making me change my mind again...
I'm moving house today but I'll try to scan some pages for you next week when I have my copy to hand again.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: faksta on February 02, 2012, 05:10:42 AM
Thanks!

I was browsing through Amazon and the price is very good IMO for a big (626 pages or so?) and old (1971) book, but the major issue is to find a book in a best available condition, which is harder because there's only one picture on Amazon (with a relatively worn jacket, although stated to be 'like new').

Woodinsight, I would appreciate a little hint on what the book looks like very much, thanks! After reading PJ's message above I started thinking about this book seriously as well.
Title: Alfa Romeo: the legendary 2.3 8c 2300 A & B simon moore
Post by: Facel on March 23, 2012, 04:09:51 PM
Hello,

What is a normal price to pay for this book?
And is it hard to find?
Title: Re: Alfa Romeo: the legendary 2.3 8c 2300 A & B simon moore
Post by: 75america on March 24, 2012, 03:35:04 AM
You can buy them directly from the publisher:

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By Simon Moore
Edited and designed by Malcolm S. Harris
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Title: Re: Alfa Romeo: the legendary 2.3 8c 2300 A & B simon moore
Post by: Facel on March 30, 2012, 09:26:42 AM
thank you for the information
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Paul Jaray on March 30, 2012, 05:37:43 PM
Moved.  ;)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Paul Jaray on June 09, 2012, 12:23:26 PM
I found it on ebay but there are several copies around.
Since it's above my Buy-it-Now limit I'd like to know it more before buying it.
I'm looking for a source about racing cars, I know it can't be comprehensive, but at least one that covers all the known names with a decent story and more or less all the models plus all the minor ones that can be found with theyr models...
I've got other books covering obscure racers, like the American ones and some more I took after reading the reviews here (Automobilrennsport in der DDR, Premiery Nadseni, etc...).
I know I can found Lola or McLaren cars on many websites, but I'd like a book as a reference too.
I'm afraid this book is more like a photographic opera, with good shots of races, pilots, tracks but it's not organized as an encyclopedia. I found few pics of the inside onlile and they confirm my impression.
Woodinsight review is making me change my mind again...
I'm moving house today but I'll try to scan some pages for you next week when I have my copy to hand again.

Going shopping again...and this one is still in my wishlist....

Is there a good book about cars from Russia? I know the titles that are around but is there anyone who got them and can confirm which one is a good one?
Title: Book request...
Post by: cmetisse on March 19, 2013, 06:51:46 AM
Hi everybody,

Trying to expand both my book collection and knowledge, I'm wondering about two subjects for which I don't have much valuable litterature :

-What does exist about the history (I mean 'encyclopaedia' stuff) of cars before the first world war ? I have the excellent "Ainsi naquit l'automobile" by Jacques Ickx and the very good "Vintage cars 1886 to 1930" by Georgano (in french translation, published by Gründ, as a first in a series of four excellent volumes), but which one am I forgetting ? Certainly a lot, but I can only read english.

-I'm still looking for a really complete study about cars engine, going from humble beginnings to today's stuff, but with a true technical view. I have one in french, but a bit disappointing. As always with technical material, it seems it's very difficult to find a good balance between easy-reading and engineer overdose. I'm curious about car's engineering, but unable to understand complicated mathematical equations... And this is what car tech is all about !  ;D
Title: Re: Book request...
Post by: als15 on March 20, 2013, 07:22:27 AM
Unfortunately it's in Italian, but "Marche Italiane Scomparse" (disappeared Italian brands) is a masterpiece for the Italian ones, covering a lot of very obscure pioneer carmakers.
Very hard to find, however; it was published by Turin Museum in the 70s.
Title: Re: Book request...
Post by: RayTheRat on March 20, 2013, 10:41:51 AM
Just some suggestions that may not be an exact match (pre-WWI tech development) but might be helpful anyway:

Found on Amazon:
Bosch Automotive Handbook (Society of Automotive Engineers)
How Cars Work (Tom Newton)

Side note about Amazon:  I've found that there are many bargains available from used book sellers.  I can't afford to pay full retail price for brand new books, so this gives me a way to add to my library without mortgaging my grandchildren.  :)  I just picked up a book on Veteran cars; the "new" price was $192, but I found a used one in "good" condition (supposedly it has wear and tear on the dust jacket...big deal) for $2 plus $3.99 shipping.  Unfortunately most used books don't qualify for "Prime" free shipping, but for $6 vs $192....well, I can live with that.   ;D

From my library:
Brighton Belles: A Celebration of Veteran Cars (David Burgess-Wise & Lord Montagu of Beaulieu)
The Fun of Old Cars (Stubenrauch)
The History of the Automobile (Multiple contributors...originally in Italian)
A History of Sports Cars (Georgano)
Motoring (Rolt)
Veteran and Vintage Cars (Roberts)
The Bosch Book of the Motor Car (John Day)

If you can read all of those, you should become an incurable gearhead (like me.)  All you'd need is a couple of trips to the salt flats and you'll be hooked for life.  I say that because of a little known disease called "Salt Fever" to which many people fall victim; there's no cure for it, only annual treatments administered on the salt flats.  The attached photo (the side of a trailer that hauls a race car to the salt at least once a year) describes it well.

Good luck with your efforts to edify your knowledge.  Ohh...lest I forget, this site is a great resource.  As someone (I believe it was Allemano) wrote, "We've forgotten more about cars than you'll ever know."  There's a lotta truth to that.

Title: Re: Book request...
Post by: cmetisse on March 20, 2013, 01:27:28 PM
Thanks a lot for these suggestions !

Talking bout money, it's the same for me : I'm constantly looking for discount prices on the french, brit or american amazon, priceminister or others, as I'm interested in the info more than the layout for car books.
Obviously, if I prefer mint and dirt cheap books, but if it is a bit worn out, that's not a problem for me, as long as it's complete without torn pages.

Talking about engine tech, it seems that "some unusual engines" by Setright is a good one for weirdness lovers (like me  ;D), if you want to know about the Trojan 2-stroke twin or others mad power units...
Title: Re: Book request...
Post by: als15 on March 20, 2013, 05:03:24 PM
I prefer mint and dirt cheap books

Hard life for publishers like us...  :)
Title: Re: Book request...
Post by: cmetisse on March 20, 2013, 05:24:11 PM
Well, I realize I could have been more diplomatic !  ;D

I'm still ready from time to time to put some money in very upmarket books on subject I really care for. But my upper limit is around 150 €.

Sometimes much less, as my banker likes to reminds me.  :D
Title: Re: Book request...
Post by: woodinsight on March 26, 2013, 01:21:02 PM
Hi cmetisse,

One book I can certainly recommend is the "The New Motoring Encyclopedia" published c.1937 by Amalgamated Press.
It was a part series in 35 parts that can be found on-line for around €50 in hardback form.

There are 842 pages, 3200 photos/illustrations and to quote their publicity blurb "everything the motorist needs to know".
It covers all marques of the time, all technical details from engines and chassis to electrics and controls, how to drive and maintain a car and a guide to sightseeing routes and places to visit by car in the UK.
It is incredibly comprehensive but bear in mind in was published in the mid 1930s so you'd have to find other sources for later developments.

Here are three sample pages from the book -
Title: Re: Book request...
Post by: cmetisse on March 27, 2013, 04:33:35 AM
Thanks a lot, Woodinsight !

It looks absolutely fantastic. Does it covers only the "new" cars of the day, or does it goes back to the very beginning, Benz Patent Motorwagen and all ?
Title: Re: Book request...
Post by: woodinsight on March 27, 2013, 05:23:19 AM
Thanks a lot, Woodinsight !

It looks absolutely fantastic. Does it covers only the "new" cars of the day, or does it goes back to the very beginning, Benz Patent Motorwagen and all ?
Well I have to say that the majority of the coverage is of cars that were new at the time although there is mention/photos of older cars in some cases.
However there are a few pages devoted to the history of the motor car and there is a technical illustration of an 1897 Benz (see below).

There was also a weekly publication in 164 parts (with binders) that covered the history of the motor car named "On Four Wheels".
This was published in the 1970s by Orbis and also included photos and diagrams of many older cars and technical features.
You can try to find a bound set of those in 11 volumes although I don't know current prices.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: 75america on October 07, 2013, 11:35:00 AM
Does anyone knows if this 'Mille Miglia Le classi Minori - The minor classes' book by Carlo Dolcini is any good?

Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 11, 2015, 03:42:03 PM
It will be great a new book about Vignale.... ::)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: als15 on October 12, 2015, 01:05:23 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 12, 2015, 04:16:14 PM
Is it possible to have a signed copy?
I'd like to keep this tradition...
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: als15 on October 12, 2015, 11:57:43 PM
This time I'm not the author. I can do that, but you should wait the next time I meet Mr. Zanellato.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 13, 2015, 04:04:24 AM
I can wait.
But only if it's not much trouble for you.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: dracu777 on October 14, 2015, 11:47:57 PM
Wonderful addition! Who/where do I give my money to??  8)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: als15 on October 15, 2015, 02:11:12 AM
Me, as usual, on ilcammello.it

http://www.ilcammello.it/Libri/aesthetica/Vignale/vignale_e.html (http://www.ilcammello.it/Libri/aesthetica/Vignale/vignale_e.html)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: 75america on October 31, 2015, 07:12:39 AM
Me, as usual, on ilcammello.it

http://www.ilcammello.it/Libri/aesthetica/Vignale/vignale_e.html (http://www.ilcammello.it/Libri/aesthetica/Vignale/vignale_e.html)

After having planted the initial seed at the Societa Editrice Il cammello for his one, it’s really great to see it came to fruition! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: als15 on October 31, 2015, 07:50:30 AM
Indeed! This book exists also thanks to our 75america that created the first good contact between Mr. Zanellato and me.

Thanks Alexander! And a copy for you is already on its way.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: galrot on November 22, 2016, 03:32:44 PM
I'm not sure where to put it, but I try here:
I was wondering if anyone here knew about a book/old articles covering old BMW prototypes (i.e. from the late '70s and prior)?

And have anything ever been written about post-war coachbuilders in the UK (like Peel coachworks and Williams & Pritchard)?

 :)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: oko94 on November 22, 2016, 03:38:19 PM
I have this one. It covers specials, prototypes and race cars from 1919 to 1991.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: galrot on November 22, 2016, 03:40:38 PM
Thanks. How complete is it? Does it covers things like this 520 coupe by Bertone?

http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/2014-43/solved-neh-3662-bertone-bmw-520-coupe-proposal-by-gandini-1970/

(Which is one of the cars I'm interested in finding better pictures and more information about.)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: oko94 on November 22, 2016, 03:45:54 PM
This Bertone proposal is not in the book, but there's another Bertone stketch from the fifties that I haven't seen anywhere else.

The book is 214 pages long, with mostly black and white pictures (usually one picture per car). It's not 100% complete but there's a great variety of vehicles in it.

It's not expensive (you can find it for 15-30 €) so it's worth the price.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: galrot on November 22, 2016, 10:35:51 PM
Thanks. I think I will take a look at it although I also have other books I've planning to buy (the one Alfa Romeo prototype book being one).

Still I would like to find some information about that Bertone coupé as well as information about Peel coachworks and Williams & Pritchard. Surely there must be some out there?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Carnut on November 23, 2016, 04:02:48 AM
I'm not sure where to put it, but I try here:
I was wondering if anyone here knew about a book/old articles covering old BMW prototypes (i.e. from the late '70s and prior)?

And have anything ever been written about post-war coachbuilders in the UK (like Peel coachworks and Williams & Pritchard)?

 :)

I suppose you know about this one?:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Z-British-Coachbuilders-1919-1960/dp/0954998162

It's due to be updated next year; I'll send you a picture and a link.  It might go past 1960, although not many of the Coachbuilders did...!
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Allan L on November 23, 2016, 04:27:20 AM
I suppose you know about this one?:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Z-British-Coachbuilders-1919-1960/dp/0954998162

It's due to be updated next year; I'll send you a picture and a link.  It might go past 1960, although not many of the Coachbuilders did...!
The late Nick Walker covered so many coachbuilders in a couple of hundred pages that none gets a particularly comprehensive treatment, however I find it an interesting £20 worth. There is a mention of Williams & Prichard but only that it was one of the firms that former Corsica employees opened.

Who is doing the updated version?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Carnut on November 23, 2016, 04:43:00 AM
I've got the information at home Allan.
I'll post it tomorrow.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Carnut on November 23, 2016, 12:04:47 PM
I've got the information at home Allan.
I'll post it tomorrow.

It looks like it's the same edition to me.
Although it states "This enlarged and revised edition contains new entries and photographs" I can't see any difference between it and the 2007 edition, unless all the changes are inside, but it would be odd not to change the cover at least a bit...
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: 727 on November 21, 2020, 07:30:07 PM
What's the best book that specializes in brass era vehicles or, even better, a freely available pdf scan or a link of an universal database (not specialized in a certain country) of most vehicles belonging to this epoch?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Arunas on November 24, 2020, 12:09:36 PM
What's the best book that specializes in brass era vehicles or, even better, a freely available pdf scan or a link of an universal database (not specialized in a certain country) of most vehicles belonging to this epoch?
www.allcarindex.com
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: 727 on November 26, 2020, 11:57:13 PM
Thank you. I'm aware of this website and while it's filled with obscure and valuable brands it is incomplete.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Arunas on November 27, 2020, 01:04:25 AM
Thank you. I'm aware of this website and while it's filled with obscure and valuable brands it is incomplete.
It's impossible to make a 100% complete website :) There will always be something missing.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Oguerrerob on November 27, 2020, 01:09:32 AM
Allcarindex, in my opinion, is the most extensive car reference
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Carnut on November 27, 2020, 04:09:41 AM
Yes, I'm pretty sure you'll never find one that's more complete!