Chris Bangle rumored to be headed back to Fiat...
Well, it took BMW quite a while to recover since he left...
Quote from: Allemano on May 28, 2010, 04:50:12 AM
Well, it took BMW quite a while to recover since he left...
Recover from strong sales of the 5 series?
No, from his 'controversial' design.
The 5 series was a big seller not because of Bangle but in spite of him.
Quote from: Allemano on May 28, 2010, 05:20:52 AM
No, from his 'controversial' design.
The 5 series was a big seller not because of Bangle but in spite of him.
Let's agree to disagree.
Because the 5-series will be heralded in 20 years time as ahead of time.
The 5 series is one of his more successful designs and yes, it was a big hit,
but don't let us talk about the awful 7-series of his regency.
Hugh, ich habe gesprochen!
Quote from: DeAutogids.nl on May 28, 2010, 05:26:01 AM
Because the 5-series will be heralded in 20 years time as ahead of time.
Oh, my. :P
This is fitting, as Chrysler styling obviously had a big impact on young Chris Bangle in his formative years:
(http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/3278/3221/33194110001_large.jpg)
QuoteIch habe gesprochen!
Jawohl! Und wie haben sie gehort! :hail:
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on May 28, 2010, 06:09:30 AM
Quote from: DeAutogids.nl on May 28, 2010, 05:26:01 AM
Because the 5-series will be heralded in 20 years time as ahead of time.
Oh, my. :P
Remember the Ford Scorpio? Many of the design cues there are still found on modern Ford's, but also on Fiat, Renault and even BMW.
I meant of course with my sentence that the "...5-series
design will be..."
Quote from: MG on May 28, 2010, 06:22:15 AM
QuoteIch habe gesprochen!
Jawohl! Und wie haben sie gehort! :hail:
::)
You needn't to praise me...
Frequently I don't get your humor, but this time you seem to do the same in return.
Everlasting problem of beeing inside or outside of ones mother tongue.
Quote from: DeAutogids.nl on May 28, 2010, 05:26:01 AM
Because the 5-series will be heralded in 20 years time as ahead of time.
That is a bet I'd take.
Quote from: Ultra on May 28, 2010, 08:28:24 AM
Quote from: DeAutogids.nl on May 28, 2010, 05:26:01 AM
Because the 5-series will be heralded in 20 years time as ahead of time.
That is a bet I'd take.
10 bucks?
Qualify the terms of the bet and then make it 50.
Something like
I bet in 20 years time, the BMW 5-series design will be seen by automotive historians as ahead of time
?
Past designs are seldom heralded in retrospect, for being less congruent than their forebears or contemporary works, nor for adding baroque elements. As BMW's were still aspirational automobiles due to their engineering and abilities, their styling (good or bad) has therefore been copied by competitors,
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on May 28, 2010, 09:46:17 AM
Past designs are seldom heralded in retrospect, for being less congruent than their forebears or contemporary works, nor for adding baroque elements. As BMW's were still aspirational automobiles due to their engineering and abilities, their styling (good or bad) has therefore been copied by competitors,
Could someone translate that into English for me?
Quote from: DeAutogids.nl on May 28, 2010, 10:25:30 AM
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on May 28, 2010, 09:46:17 AM
Past designs are seldom heralded in retrospect, for being less congruent than their forebears or contemporary works, nor for adding baroque elements. As BMW's were still aspirational automobiles due to their engineering and abilities, their styling (good or bad) has therefore been copied by competitors,
Could someone translate that into English for me?
The Bangle 5 series design sucks and history is unlikely to ever think otherwise.
:bonk:
It does have its uses.
Quote from: Ultra on May 28, 2010, 10:31:55 AM
The Bangle 5 series design sucks and history is unlikely to ever think otherwise.
:bonk:
Yes, that's a apt summary; I'm glad you were able to understand.
Just what is Baroque here?
I know better than to go into detail, telling a guy why his girlfriend is ugly. So, let'a agree to disagree.
As a matter of fact, I don't drive the car, have never done so and will never do. So I am just wondering.
Now, Now, Lets not close the book on CHRYSLER just yet.
Like the phoenix, MOPAR will rise again from the ashes and take its rightful place again as an automotive powerhouse.
The world just can't go on without a HEMI!
Thought they'd gone in the early 80s when the sold up to Peugeot for £1!
then they came back trying to drag Mercedes down.
Now are they trying to kill Fiat off with rebadged bravos?
Horrible reputation in Europe...
Quote from: iani on June 24, 2014, 10:33:43 AM
Thought they'd gone in the early 80s when the sold up to Peugeot for £1!
then they can back trying to drag Mercedes down.
Now are they trying to kill Fiat off with rebadged bravos?
Horrible reputation in Europe...
I've never understood why the US giants think they can market stuff in the UK. Chevrolet tried to sell Daewoos as Chevys and failed. Chrysler tried to sell themselves using Lancia - I've seen a few around but I can't imagine it's economic for them.
It doesn't work - why can't they see this? How do they cover the cost of converting to RHD such things as the Sebring? Do they sell OK in Japan or some other RHD nation? They're simply not on a par dynamically with virtually anything made in Europe.
Never mind the hundreds and thousands of Lancias and Fiats that would still be filling junkyards around the world, had they not begun to rust even as they moved down the assembly line. Yep - mean ol' Chrysler, financially reeling from the Stuttgart pillage, put a gun to Fiat's head, and told them "let us sell our cars as Lancias, or else!"
What could poor little Fiat do, but acquiesce? :D
Yeah... I didn't phrase my post very well. But very few folks in the UK will buy an American-badged car (don't ask me why), and the Lancia/Fiat and Daewoo barnds are not well-regarded either. Too much competition with better products.
Funnily enough Lancia disappeared from UK roads around the same time, when they had the reputation for engines falling out. At least they managed to fit in narrow town streets and go round corners! ;)
Might want to check the financials on the "dragging Fiat down" statement, as it stands now Chrysler is propping up Fiat due to the current state of European economies.
As well as benefiting from residual engineering influences from the false "merger of equals" that was the Daimler Benz union.
Quote from: nicanary on June 24, 2014, 05:04:56 PMI've never understood why the US giants think they can market stuff in the UK. Chevrolet tried to sell Daewoos as Chevys and failed.
In Russia Chevrolet brand is related to cheap cars ranked a bit above the Ladas. After all these years it is even strange to me to know that Camaros that are also being driven on the streets here bear the same badge with Aveo or Cruze or Chevy Niva. Really puts the prestige of Chevrolet brand way down IMO. I wonder why didn't they use a new brand for those Korean cars if they didn't like the Daewoo name so much for some reason?
And they're off, again!
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/chrysler/90850/chrysler-axed-in-the-uk
Quote from: iani on June 24, 2014, 10:33:43 AM
Thought they'd gone in the early 80s when the sold up to Peugeot for £1!
then they came back trying to drag Mercedes down.
Now are they trying to kill Fiat off with rebadged bravos?
Horrible reputation in Europe...
Really? Think it's the other way around.
Quote from: faksta on August 20, 2014, 02:32:00 AM
Quote from: nicanary on June 24, 2014, 05:04:56 PMI've never understood why the US giants think they can market stuff in the UK. Chevrolet tried to sell Daewoos as Chevys and failed.
In Russia Chevrolet brand is related to cheap cars ranked a bit above the Ladas. After all these years it is even strange to me to know that Camaros that are also being driven on the streets here bear the same badge with Aveo or Cruze or Chevy Niva. Really puts the prestige of Chevrolet brand way down IMO. I wonder why didn't they use a new brand for those Korean cars if they didn't like the Daewoo name so much for some reason?
Actually, the Cruze isn't a bad car. They've been reliable as well as the Cobalt / HHR predecessor. Inexpensive , yes. But not a bad car. I had two HHRs and they were trouble free. Don't now what a Niva is, but I've seen Aveos and the owners like them. Does Chevy sell Corvettes in Russia?
I'd be a bit surprised if Corvettes are part of Chevy's line-up in Russia, but no doubt one of our Russian members will enlighten us?!
It is: 8)
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