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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2017 => Topic started by: Wendax on April 16, 2017, 09:25:52 AM
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Time for a new edition of my group puzzle of neglected cars and mind boggling geographical connections. To earn a point, you have to identify a car as well as the somehow related location and explain their connection. Some ties are straightforward, some surely aren't. To make it a bit more confusing there is one vehicle with a combination of two places as an answer. Have fun!
The first batch of cars:
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Some more cars:
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The first batch of places:
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The other places:
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The correct answers will be placed here:
Rust 1 - Place J: Georges Irat electric car - Bled (luisps)
Rust 2 - Place C: Mercedes-Benz 180 Portuguese army driving school car - Anniversary of the 1974 Revolution Monument in Lisbon (ropat53)
Rust 3 - Place N: Cicostar Matic - Sheriff Cico in Texas City (luisps)
Rust 4 - Place F: Murad - Sultan Murad's tomb Meşhed-i Hüdavendigar (luisps)
Rust 5 - Places G and M: Donau-Sisu van - Reichsbrücke in the Danube in Vienna - Shanghai International Studies University (luisps)
Rust 6 - Place P: Delaunay-Belleville - movie "Les Triplettes de Belleville" (luisps)
Rust 7 - Place I: Mochet Vélocar - Manuel Morand riding a Mochet Vélocar bicycle during the "Paris-Limoges" race in 1934 (luisps)
Rust 8 - Place L: Auto Union 1000 Coupé Fissore - Parque Industrial Sauce Viejo (luisps)
Rust 9 - Place B: Talbot DC - Capitol in Washington D.C. (ropat53)
Rust 10 - Place O: Krause - Brandis castle (luisps)
Rust 11 - Place D: Winchester Mk II taxi - Winchester Palace (luisps)
Rust 12 - Place H: Moretti 750 Tour du Monde - Jules Verne's house in Amiens (luisps)
Rust 13 - Place E: BMC FFK 100 Mobile Gas Showroom - Beckton Gas Works (luisps)
Rust 14 - Place K: Peugeot VLV - Peugeot factory in La Garenne-Colombes (luisps)
Rust 15 - Place A: MDV panel van built for West Yorkshire Council - Alhambra theatre in Bradford (luisps)
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I've probably got this all wrong, but do the cyclists in 'I' and 'P' go together in the wonderful cartoon film 'Belleville Rondezvous'?
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Well, you got the Place P right, but you have to match it with a car of the pictures "Rust 1" to "Rust 15". ;)
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Ah! Oh dear...I knew I hadn't quite figured this out. Is it Rust 14? ???
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No
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RUST 3 MOTALLI portugueise microcar,, place C monument in Lisbon Portugal
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Place C is correct, but unfortunately Rust 3 is not a Motalli.
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is rust 10 the 1965 Krause handicapped car?
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If rust 3 isn't a Motalli is very similar except for the flat side...
Let me try another couple: Rust 7 is a MOCHET Velocar Place I is a cycles race with a MOCHET Velo-Velocar in front.
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is rust 10 the 1965 Krause handicapped car?
Yes, but you have to find the connected place for the point.
If rust 3 isn't a Motalli is very similar except for the flat side...
Let me try another couple: Rust 7 is a MOCHET Velocar Place I is a cycles race with a MOCHET Velo-Velocar in front.
Yes, the first right combination with the right connection. Just tell me which bicycle race the picture shows, and the first point is for you.
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is the Krause handicapped car connected with place no.2(Leipzig)?
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Assuming you mean Place B I have to tell you that it is not Leipzig.
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After half of the night wake I finally find it! Place I is the race París-Limoges of 1934
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After half of the night wake I finally find it! Place I is the race París-Limoges of 1934
Aaaah, my puzzle fulfils its purpose! ;D
Well done, your point will be awarded at the end of the puzzle.
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I think I found another couple the rust 6 is a Delaunay-Belleville and the place P, if this is a part of the French cartoon movie "Les Triplettes de Belleville", in such case they are related by their names.
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I think I found another couple the rust 6 is a Delaunay-Belleville and the place P, if this is a part of the French cartoon movie "Les Triplettes de Belleville", in such case they are related by their names.
Another point earned!
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If rust 15 is a UMM, and place C the monument "25 de Abril" in Lisbon both are from Portugal.
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Sorry, Rust 15 is not an UMM.
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Looks to me that I've find another correct pair Rust 5 is the DKW F89 van that was made in Alemania (in Ingolstaad), Spain (by Imosa in Vitoria) and Argentina (by IASFSA). Place L it's a photo of the ruins of what was the factory of IASFSA (Industria Automotriz Santa Fe, S.A. where was built that van as model DKW 1000
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Well observed and I am sure you can use some of this information further on, but Rust 5 was not built in Argentina, thus Rust 5-Place L is not a right combination.
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Do the rust that matches Place L is a car made in Argentina?
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Yes
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Them if Rust 8 is the cupé DKW AutoUnion 1000 designed by Fissore this should be the couple of Place L where some of such car model were built
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Yes, the Fissore Coupé was built at Sauce Viejo near Santa Fe. One more oint for you.
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Thank you Wendax. I may have a solution for the Krause of Rust 10. Can I assume that it is not blocked for kwgibbs that mentioned that brand the past 18th?
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No locks around here. When I lock, I will definitely say so. You won't earn a lock here by just identifying either a car or a place.
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Ok, clear. Rust 10 is the Krause Microcar. Krause moved their facilities in 1970 from Leipzig to the swiss twon of Brandis. Place O is a picture of the Castel of Brandis.
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Ok, clear. Rust 10 is the Krause Microcar. Krause moved their facilities in 1970 from Leipzig to the swiss twon of Brandis. Place O is a picture of the Castel of Brandis.
Oh dear, I didn't realize that Place O showed the Brandis castle in Switzerland. Krause moved from Leipzig to the Saxonian town of Brandis where there is a castle of the same name. ;D I guess, in 1970 many Saxonian people would have been glad if they were allowed to move to Switzerland... Anyway, you got the right solution again.
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Thank you Wendax, with this point today I would have reached 300 points, it would not be bad, but since I have to wait until the 15 couples are solved, I think it will be years before I receive the prize. I need other autopuzzlers to help me !!!
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I'm sure there will be some pro puzzlers joining as soon as it was moved up. :)
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I've been lucky this afternoon afther several hours of hard work, I think I've found three new couples:
Rust 3, as a micro-enthusiast, was sure to find it in my archives. It's a Cicostar made by CICO in France, which is in partnership with Place N, In the drawing appears the name Ferri G. that corresponds to the Italian sketcher Gallieno Ferri whose most famous comic is Zagor, that appears behind the cabin, which had a friendly friend named CICO that is the sheriff of front, from there I deduce that Rust 3 and Place N are couple
Rust 4 is the car MURAD a one-off English car recently found in a barn find and auctioned months ago. Looking for the meaning of Murad I found that it is a common name for several Ottoman sultans and starting with Murad I have found Place F the tomb of Sultan Murad on Kosovo field.
Rust 11 of this vehicle I think I am sure that it is the picture of the inside of an English Jowett Javelin whose company was located in Bradford, searching the internet for images of the city I have seen that the tower on the back of the photo of Place A is the Bradford National Media Museum Located in the old theater Alhambra
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I can see that you are enjoying the game. :)
Regarding your guesses:
Rust 3 is a Cicostar, Place N is taken from a Cico comic. Just add the Cicostar model and the town where Cico is sheriff, and the point is yours. (This combination locked for you of course).
Rust 4 is the Murad, Place F is Meşhed-i Hüdavendigar, the tomb of Sultan Murad I at the kosovo battlefields. One point for you.
Rust 11 is not a Jowett Javelin, but at least Place A is correctly identified as the Alhambra theatre in Bradford.
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To comlete Rust 3 the Cicostar model Matic and for the place N the sheriff CICO (nickname of Don Cico Felipe Cayetano Lopez y Martinez y Gonzales, mexican inmigrant in Texas) was the Sheriff of Texas City, if the Internet does not fool me...
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Perfect! ;)
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I need a clarification, as this is a multiple puzzle, I consider that I can ask several questions at a time as long as they do not refer to the same photo. I will ask several questions in a row, in case my assumption is not acceptable, answer only the first one and I will make separate entries for successive ones.
1.- Was the Rust 5 DKW van manufactured in Europe?
2.- Rust 14 and its corresponding Place are from the same country?
3.- The Rust corresponding to Place A (Bradford) was built in Yorkshire?
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I need a clarification, as this is a multiple puzzle, I consider that I can ask several questions at a time as long as they do not refer to the same photo. I will ask several questions in a row, in case my assumption is not acceptable, answer only the first one and I will make separate entries for successive ones.
1.- Was the Rust 5 DKW van manufactured in Europe?
2.- Rust 14 and its corresponding Place are from the same country?
3.- The Rust corresponding to Place A (Bradford) was built in Yorkshire?
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. No
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Rust 14 is the electric Peugeot VLV made during the WWII times. Place K should be the aspect that the development center that the PSA group in La Garenne-Colombes would have in the 40's. Therefore, Rust 14 and Place K are coupled
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Rust 14 is the electric Peugeot VLV made during the WWII times. Place K should be the aspect that the development center that the PSA group in La Garenne-Colombes would have in the 40's. Therefore, Rust 14 and Place K are coupled
Correct again, the VLV was not built in Sochaux, but at the Peugeot factory in La Garenne-Colombes.
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One more point in mic savings account. Consequently three more questions:
1.- Was the DKW van from Rust 5 built in Germany?
2.- The Rust corresponding to Place A is an English car?
3.- It’s Place B in Europe?
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1) No 2) Yes 3) No
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1.- Was the DKW van from Rust 5 built in a country south of Germany?
2.- The Rust corresponding to Place A is an English taxi car?
3.- It’s Place B in U.S.?
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luisps, Place B is the Capitol dome being built in Washington DC, in the mid-19th Century. Just giving you a hand as otherwise I have no idea how any of these images are linked and I'm very impressed with what you've done so far!
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1.- Was the DKW van from Rust 5 built in a country south of Germany?
2.- The Rust corresponding to Place A is an English taxi car?
3.- It’s Place B in U.S.?
1) No
2) No
3) Yes, because...
luisps, Place B is the Capitol dome being built in Washington DC, in the mid-19th Century. Just giving you a hand as otherwise I have no idea how any of these images are linked and I'm very impressed with what you've done so far!
... el_monty is right.
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Thank you Wendax and el_monty for your opinion. After your last answers I feel that may solve the DKW f89 Schnellasters part of the puzzle: From all the different places were it was made we've eliminated Argentinia, Spain, Yugoslavia and Gernany (including IFA) the only other european that had built them that is available in Internet is described as follow: "The Finnish heavy vehicle producer Suomen Autoteollisuus assembled a series of ten Schnellasters in Karis, Finland at the turn of November 1956. The vehicle was branded Donau-Sisu. The bodies were welded in Finland by use of fixtures delivered from West Germany. Welding of the complete body took just two hours per unit. Plans were in place for a larger scale production but it was not started because the technically archaic vehicle did not meet the needs of the potential Finnish customers.[2] One repairable Donau-Sisu has survived and saved by vintage vehicle enthusiasts at the end of 2011". I feel that the photo of Rust 5 reffers to the last mentioned survival vehicle. To find the corresponding Place I take the name Donau-Sisu. Sisu is the largest truck producer in Finland, Place E is an aerial photo of a large industry but It looks a quemical or minning operation, no large parking with rows of trucks. So I investigate Donau that is the german name of the Danube river, the only other river photo is Place G that shows a sinking of a bridge, looking for an accident of this type I find a Spanish newpaper of 1976 that mention the sinking of a bridge on the Danube, going deeper I've found that the bridge Reichsbruecke of Wien collapsetd in 1976 with the attached picture that matches Place G from other point of view. So my guess is that Rust 5 and Place G is the couple that I was looking for.
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Well done, all correct, but not complete. As I said in my initial post, one car is related to two places. Now you have found the Donau bit, search for the SISU place (and it's not Place E). This combination locked for you, of course.
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Thank you again for your quick answer. I hope that I've the solution to that "Trio" (without sexual connotations) Apart from the meaning of Sisu in Finnish that can not be applied to any of the remaining "Place", I have immediately found that SISU is the acronym for Shangai International Studies University. Looking for the building of it appears exactly "Place M". So the complete triangle is Rust 5 - Place G - Place M.
Let me explain you why I was so interested in solving Rust 5. When I was 20 years old in the 1960s I rebuilt a f9 Chassis-cabin with wooden loading platform manufactured by IMOSA in Vitoria in 1955 that my father bought in a dilapidated state, completely dismantling it, taking out the cabin to rebuild all the lows and eliminating the loading zone of wood and mounting a metallic box truck of high volume to transport furniture. In the end everything worked and we used it until the decade of the '70s. The problem was that the weight of the new body lowered the load capacity from 1000 kg to no more than 500 kg and the speed did not exceed 60 km / h which was not a problem to move in the already congested traffic of Barcelona.
Now to folow the game I like to place some other questions, mainly becose the amount of right hand rust pending to solve:
1.- Do Place D is from UK?
2.- Do Place E is from UK?
3.- Do Place H is from UK?
4.- Do Place A and Rust 1 are related?
5.- Do the truck of Place 13 is from UK?
That's enough for some extra fun time
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Thank you again for your quick answer. I hope that I've the solution to that "Trio" (without sexual connotations) Apart from the meaning of Sisu in Finnish that can not be applied to any of the remaining "Place", I have immediately found that SISU is the acronym for Shangai International Studies University. Looking for the building of it appears exactly "Place M". So the complete triangle is Rust 5 - Place G - Place M.
Yes :)
Let me explain you why I was so interested in solving Rust 5. When I was 20 years old in the 1960s I rebuilt a f9 Chassis-cabin with wooden loading platform manufactured by IMOSA in Vitoria in 1955 that my father bought in a dilapidated state, completely dismantling it, taking out the cabin to rebuild all the lows and eliminating the loading zone of wood and mounting a metallic box truck of high volume to transport furniture. In the end everything worked and we used it until the decade of the '70s. The problem was that the weight of the new body lowered the load capacity from 1000 kg to no more than 500 kg and the speed did not exceed 60 km / h which was not a problem to move in the already congested traffic of Barcelona.
Nice story, do you have a picture of your DKW to share with us?
Now to folow the game I like to place some other questions, mainly becose the amount of right hand rust pending to solve:
1.- Do Place D is from UK?
2.- Do Place E is from UK?
3.- Do Place H is from UK?
4.- Do Place A and Rust 1 are related?
5.- Do the truck of Place Rust 13 is from UK?
That's enough for some extra fun time
1) Yes
2) Yes
3) No
4) No
5) Yes
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I'm tempted to ask if Place D is Coventry
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It isn't.
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I have searched rosette or rose window for a ruined Gothic style building in UK. Looking at images of this style I have found many but soon It appeared a great wall with that rosette between buildings more modern and with the title "Remains of Winchester Palace in Southwark", with those two words I have gone to look for to the greater world list of car brands (you know such web) and I have had the surprise of finding that Winchester is not only rifles is a brand of cars of the London taxi type active from 1964 to 196. So my guess is that Rust 11 is a Winchester London Taxi that matches with Place D Winchester Palace.
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And another correct one!
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I almost do not believe it, but I already have 9/15 possible points!
I do not have pictures of the van but I have asked my brothers to see if they have any.
I have to keep investigating because I do not see relationships with what I already know:
1.- Is Rust 1 related to Place C?
2.- Is Rust 11 related to Place A?
3.- Is Rust 15 a SCAMP?
4.- Is Place E an industrial complex on the Thames to the E of London?
5.- Is Place H in continental Europe?
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I almost do not believe it, but I already have 9/15 possible points!
I do not have pictures of the van but I have asked my brothers to see if they have any.
I have to keep investigating because I do not see relationships with what I already know:
1.- Is Rust 1 related to Place C?
2.- Is Rust 11 related to Place A?
3.- Is Rust 15 a SCAMP?
4.- Is Place E an industrial complex on the Thames to the E of London?
5.- Is Place H in continental Europe?
At this stage of progress I'd prefer not to answer questions like 1) or 2) without guesses for cars and places. :shakehead:
3) As far as I know it is not a Scamp, but very closely related.
4) Yes
5) Yes
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Is place H an East European countries?
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No
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I do not make new advances I have more questions:
1.- The photo of Place E is current or does not exist that industry?
2.- The country of Place H has Atlantic coast?
3.- Place J is an island in a lake?
4.- Rust1 is an old electric car?
5.- Rust 12 is it from UK?
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I do not make new advances I have more questions:
1.- The photo of Place E is current or does not exist that industry?
2.- The country of Place H has Atlantic coast?
3.- Place J is an island in a lake?
4.- Rust1 is an old electric car?
5.- Rust 12 is it from UK?
1) The photo is not current, but you can still recognize the place quite easily on today's aerial photos as well.
2) Yes
3) Yes
4) Yes
5) No
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Oh my God I can't believe this! :scratch: I know what place J is but the car that would most obviously match it is not among the car pictures! This puzzle is diabolical.
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1.- The country of Place H is France?
2.- The lake of Place J is in southern Europe?
3.- Is Rust 1 European?
4.- The Rust 12 is a standard car or a chassis with external bodyworker?
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Oh my God I can't believe this! :scratch: I know what place J is but the car that would most obviously match it is not among the car pictures! This puzzle is diabolical.
Try another car by the same manufacturer. ;)
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1.- The country of Place H is France?
2.- The lake of Place J is in southern Europe?
3.- Is Rust 1 European?
4.- The Rust 12 is a standard car or a chassis with external bodyworker?
1) Yes
2) Some say so, some don't.
3) Yes
4) "Standard" car
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1.- Is Place H on north of France?
3.- Is Place in a balcanic country?
4.- Is Rust 1 from France?
5.- Is Rust 12 also from France?
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1.- Is Place H on north of France?
3.- Is Place in a balcanic country?
4.- Is Rust 1 from France?
5.- Is Rust 12 also from France?
1) Yes
3) Which place?
4) Yes
5) No
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Sorry, I have noticed that if you type fast in the Reply area you lose some letters and at point 3 was the most important. There goes my new list that includes that point:
1.- Rust 1, being French, electric and not of the "brass era" must be of the WWII times. For the shape of the body, sporty and low design as a tourer I think it is a Georges Irat that could be couple with Place H which is the only photo of France that remains and if George Irat is correct could be from the town of Chatou North of Paris where Irat had its shop.
2.- I can not identify the industry of Place E, is a refinery or storage center for petroleum products?
3.- Is Place J in a balcanic country?
4.- Rust 15 seems to definitely have a Mini Moke base that would surely be built in Portugal and in such case would be the couple of Place C
5.- Is Rust 12 made in a Mediterranean country? By size and style does not seem to be related to Place 2 of US
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Sorry, I have noticed that if you type fast in the Reply area you lose some letters and at point 3 was the most important. There goes my new list that includes that point:
1.- Rust 1, being French, electric and not of the "brass era" must be of the WWII times. For the shape of the body, sporty and low design as a tourer I think it is a Georges Irat that could be couple with Place H which is the only photo of France that remains and if George Irat is correct could be from the town of Chatou North of Paris where Irat had its shop.
2.- I can not identify the industry of Place E, is a refinery or storage center for petroleum products?
3.- Is Place J in a balcanic country?
4.- Rust 15 seems to definitely have a Mini Moke base that would surely be built in Portugal and in such case would be the couple of Place C
5.- Is Rust 12 made in a Mediterranean country? By size and style does not seem to be related to Place 2 of US
1) Rust 1 is a Georges Irat electric voiturette from WW2 times, but Place H is not connected to it (and not Chatou either).
2) No
3) Yes
4) Rust 15 is not Moke-based and doesn't have connections to Portugal.
5) Rust 12 was made in a Mediterranean country.
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I am happy because although the answers to my last questions have been generally negative or of little help, I think that given that someone said that this is a "diabolic puzzle" I have managed to unite a couple with more security:
Googling lake and island in the Balkans I have appeared infinity of travel ads in which appears almost firstly Lake Bled of Slovenia.
Rust 1 George Irat voiturette WWII must be the partner of Place J because the last project of Georges Irat was the "Voiture du bled" to be produced in Morocco
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I am happy because although the answers to my last questions have been generally negative or of little help, I think that given that someone said that this is a "diabolic puzzle" I have managed to unite a couple with more security:
Googling lake and island in the Balkans I have appeared infinity of travel ads in which appears almost firstly Lake Bled of Slovenia.
Rust 1 George Irat voiturette WWII must be the partner of Place J because the last project of Georges Irat was the "Voiture du bled" to be produced in Morocco
Yes, this was a bit tricky. Well done!
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Eve after learning from luisps that Rust 1 was the Georges Irat, I can't even find it on Google. This is just too hard for me! :o
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Eve after learning from luisps that Rust 1 was the Georges Irat, I can't even find it on Google. This is just too hard for me! :o
Forget Google, there is a better source for rare automobiles: AutoPuzzles had the van version before: https://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/2012-41/solved-mjw-1067-georges-irat-fourgonette-1941/ :)
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Some more pictures of the Georges Irat 2 ch:
(And some views of the so far solved cars added in earlier posts)
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New series of questions:
1.- Is Rust 12 Italian?
2.- The relationship of Place A with its Rust is by the word Alhambra?
3.- The relationship of Place C with its Rust is by the word Capitol?
4.- In Place E Are the two parallel dark accumulations of carbon?
5.- Place H is in the city of Paris?
6.- 4 of 5 pending Rust are from UK, is that Ok?
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New series of questions:
1.- Is Rust 12 Italian?
2.- The relationship of Place A with its Rust is by the word Alhambra?
3.- The relationship of Place C with its Rust is by the word Capitol?
4.- In Place E Are the two parallel dark accumulations of carbon?
5.- Place H is in the city of Paris?
6.- 4 of 5 pending Rust are from UK, is that Ok?
1) Yes
2) No
3) No
4) I don't know, but it might be possible.
5) No
6) No
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Little advance, new list:
1.- Rust 2 is a transformed English Mini?
2.- Rust 9 Is a car right hand drive but not English?
3.- Rust 12 Is it a car of a brand of the Fiat group?
4.- Rust 13 Is an English truck built by a large group or an independent brand?
5.- Place E Are the large deposits are gasometers?
6.- Place H is located in a large city (more than 100,000 inhabitants) north of Paris
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Little advance, new list:
1.- Rust 2 is a transformed English Mini?
2.- Rust 9 Is a car right hand drive but not English?
3.- Rust 12 Is it a car of a brand of the Fiat group?
4.- Rust 13 Is an English truck built by a large group or an independent brand?
5.- Place E Are the large deposits are gasometers?
6.- Place H is located in a large city (more than 100,000 inhabitants) north of Paris
1) No
2) Yes
3) No
4) English truck built by a large group
5) Yes
6) Yes
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I think I've been lucky, only 4 big cities in France north of Paris and the first by alphabetical order is Amiens. Looking for remarkable buildings of Amiens I soon found that Place H is the House of Jules Verne.
And additional questions:
1.- Rust 2 has double steering wheel is it possible that it is from USA and the couple of Place B?
2.- Rust 9 is a rebodied vehicle found in a "barn find” in Portugal?
3.- Rust 12 It's a convertible but it does not look like a super car, also the style is after 1950 does the brand was active before WWII and after 1980?
4.- Rust 13 BMC before the fussion British Leyland?
5.- The Rust corresponding to Place H has the name of one of the books of Jules Verne?
6.- Place E is the Beckton Gasworks?
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I think I've been lucky, only 4 big cities in France north of Paris and the first by alphabetical order is Amiens. Looking for remarkable buildings of Amiens I soon found that Place H is the House of Jules Verne.
And additional questions:
1.- Rust 2 has double steering wheel is it possible that it is from USA and the couple of Place B?
2.- Rust 9 is a rebodied vehicle found in a "barn find” in Portugal?
3.- Rust 12 It's a convertible but it does not look like a super car, also the style is after 1950 does the brand was active before WWII and after 1980?
4.- Rust 13 BMC before the fussion British Leyland?
5.- The Rust corresponding to Place H has the name of one of the books of Jules Verne?
6.- Place E is the Beckton Gasworks?
1) Rust 2 is not American
2) No
3) Yes to both
4) Yes
5) Yes
6) Yes
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A little more progress I think I know the mark of Rust 12 is a Moretti.
New questions
1.- Rust 12 Moretti is the partner of Place H?
2.- Rust 13 It's a BMC truck but it does not seem to have an original cabin, is it an externally bodied chassis?
3 .- Of the 3 remaining Rust is one of them American?
4.- Of the 3 remaining Rust, is one of them Portuguese?
5.- Rust 15 you say it is related to Scamp, is it a job of the same designer?
This is enough for tonight ...
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A little more progress I think I know the mark of Rust 12 is a Moretti.
New questions
1.- Rust 12 Moretti is the partner of Place H?
2.- Rust 13 It's a BMC truck but it does not seem to have an original cabin, is it an externally bodied chassis?
3 .- Of the 3 remaining Rust is one of them American?
4.- Of the 3 remaining Rust, is one of them Portuguese?
5.- Rust 15 you say it is related to Scamp, is it a job of the same designer?
This is enough for tonight ...
1) Yes, you are almost there.
2) Yes, but I don't know the coachbuilder.
3) No
4) One car has a Portuguese connection.
5) Rather the same car by a different company
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Yes, I got there, very easily .. So Rust 12 Moretti Tour du Monde (In tribute to the book "Le Tour du Monde en 80 jours") and Place H House of Jules Verne is the couple that was looking for.
For today and for the rest of weekend I only ask a question to define the model of the BMC truck. Being a "forward control cabin" should start with F to continue I need to know if it is from before or after 1960.
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Yes, I got there, very easily .. So Rust 12 Moretti Tour du Monde (In tribute to the book "Le Tour du Monde en 80 jours") and Place H House of Jules Verne is the couple that was looking for.
For today and for the rest of weekend I only ask a question to define the model of the BMC truck. Being a "forward control cabin" should start with F to continue I need to know if it is from before or after 1960.
Rust 12 - Place H is correct.
The BMC truck model designation starts with an F and the truck was built after 1960.
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So far it has not gone wrong, but from here the slope is becoming steeper ...
Questions to start the week:
1.- Is Rust 2 the one that is related to Portugal?
2.- Is Rust 11 a one off woody shooting brake with chassis and coach work of different origin but both from UK?
3.- BMC's forward control trucks from 1958 to 1964 were the FF that were deployed in three models according to their load capacity 5, 7 or 9 tons. To know the concrete model I need to know if it is lower or higher than 7 ton
4.- Rust 15 was built by a brand still existing?
5.- Place E: As the BMC of Rust 13, has a special body and it’s red color makes me think of a specific service as a trailer for a fire extinguishing system, As Place E is a fuel industry, my question is ¿Place E Beckton Gas Works is the couple of Rust 13 BMC FF truck?
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So far it has not gone wrong, but from here the slope is becoming steeper ...
Questions to start the week:
1.- Is Rust 2 the one that is related to Portugal?
2.- Is Rust 11 a one off woody shooting brake with chassis and coach work of different origin but both from UK?
3.- BMC's forward control trucks from 1958 to 1964 were the FF that were deployed in three models according to their load capacity 5, 7 or 9 tons. To know the concrete model I need to know if it is lower or higher than 7 ton
4.- Rust 15 was built by a brand still existing?
5.- Place E: As the BMC of Rust 13, has a special body and it’s red color makes me think of a specific service as a trailer for a fire extinguishing system, As Place E is a fuel industry, my question is ¿Place E Beckton Gas Works is the couple of Rust 13 BMC FF truck?
1) Tell me which car it is and I'll tll you whether it is related to Portugal. ;)
2) I don't know the coachbuilder, chassis is not British.
3) I don't know the BMC model logic and can't answer this question, but FF is a good beginning.
4) No
5) Yes, the combination is right, but why? It is not any kind of fire engine (This combination locked for you).
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Following the same order of the previous questions
1.- Rust 2 I do not think that you consider me a fortune teller, with what I can see I am not able to give the type of car that it is. Without further information I leave this Rust parked for someone more knowledgeable than I
2.- Rust 11. If you do not know the bodybuilder I guess I should just look for the car model of the chassis. It is Italian?
3.- Rust 13. As you do not clarify what I asked for and there are only three options The load capacity is indicated by the letter k followed by a number of three figures so the specific model should be FF k --- Tell me if that number is greater or less than 150.
4.- Rust 15. Is this the only vehicle of that brand?
5. Place E: It was a mistake on my part to explain how I came to the conclusion that Rust 13 is a couple with Place E that I believe is clearly identified. You had not specified in any case that I had to have knowledge of the life and uses of any Rust or Place ... For me it is clear that it only serves to drag a semitrailer.
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Following the same order of the previous questions
1.- Rust 2 I do not think that you consider me a fortune teller, with what I can see I am not able to give the type of car that it is. Without further information I leave this Rust parked for someone more knowledgeable than I
2.- Rust 11. If you do not know the bodybuilder I guess I should just look for the car model of the chassis. It is Italian?
3.- Rust 13. As you do not clarify what I asked for and there are only three options The load capacity is indicated by the letter k followed by a number of three figures so the specific model should be FF k --- Tell me if that number is greater or less than 150.
4.- Rust 15. Is this the only vehicle of that brand?
5. Place E: It was a mistake on my part to explain how I came to the conclusion that Rust 13 is a couple with Place E that I believe is clearly identified. You had not specified in any case that I had to have knowledge of the life and uses of any Rust or Place ... For me it is clear that it only serves to drag a semitrailer.
1) Our fellow puzzlers will be happy to have a go at it. ;D
2) Not Italian
3) I think no harm is done to the other puzzlers, if I tell you that it is an FFK 100.
4) There were some variations on the theme, but all cars I know of this obscure maker were related.
5) You still have to tell me what the connection is between the truck and the Beckton Gas Works. No more, no less.
To earn a point, you have to identify a car as well as the somehow related location and explain their connection.
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Following the same order:
1.- I am anxious to see if any puzzler solves Rust 2 becaus, at the moment, I will not invest more
time in it
2.- Rust 11, with the right handwheel not UK, not Italy must be French. Talbot France?
3.- Rust 15 Thank you Wendax, but it was not necessary to provoke any anger to other puzzlers because I asked if it was smaller or greater than 150 saying less there is no other alternative than 100.
4.- Rust 15 I do not think I can identify it. Is this mark identified on the network?
5.- Couple Rust 13 - Place E I see that you ask me something that if I do not find it exactly with the proper description I will not be possible to solve it. I do my analysis, which I hope this time I do not be counterproductive to me, being the k100 is supposed to be not destined to carry large loads, also the fact of having a special cabin and the rear wheels covered makes me think of a use of representation of the company as it could be a mobile laboratories or office of representation to the public being the semitrailer of type closed box and perhaps with windows. Is this idea correct?
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Following the same order:
1.- I am anxious to see if any puzzler solves Rust 2 becaus, at the moment, I will not invest more
time in it
2.- Rust 11, with the right handwheel not UK, not Italy must be French. Talbot France?
3.- Rust 15 Thank you Wendax, but it was not necessary to provoke any anger to other puzzlers because I asked if it was smaller or greater than 150 saying less there is no other alternative than 100.
4.- Rust 15 I do not think I can identify it. Is this mark identified on the network?
5.- Couple Rust 13 - Place E I see that you ask me something that if I do not find it exactly with the proper description I will not be possible to solve it. I do my analysis, which I hope this time I do not be counterproductive to me, being the k100 is supposed to be not destined to carry large loads, also the fact of having a special cabin and the rear wheels covered makes me think of a use of representation of the company as it could be a mobile laboratories or office of representation to the public being the semitrailer of type closed box and perhaps with windows. Is this idea correct?
1) Some day it will be moved to the Pro board...
2) It is a Talbot.
4) Yes, this car can be found online, even with additional information that might be useful in this puzzle.
5) Follow that trail!
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1.- Rust 11 Since I have located the brand Talbot, can I now ask if it is related to Place A?
2,- Rust 13- Place E. Due to the extra cost of the cabin and external appearance, I think it would most likely be a mobile exhibition room with marketing / merchandising purposals of the Beckton Gas Works company
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1.- Rust 11 Since I have located the brand Talbot, can I now ask if it is related to Place A?
2,- Rust 13- Place E. Due to the extra cost of the cabin and external appearance, I think it would most likely be a mobile exhibition room with marketing / merchandising purposals of the Beckton Gas Works company
1) It's not.
2) Very close. You are almost there. It was a mobile exhibition room, but not only for the Beckton Gas Works. Think a bit more general and you'll find it.
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Rust 13- I still do not understand that you ask me, but on Wikipedia I found the following reference to Beckton Gas Works after 1949: "Following nationalization in 1949 the plant was owned by the North Thames Gas Board." Is that name what you ask for?
Rust 15: Can Westside be the brand of that car?
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Rust 13- I still do not understand that you ask me, but on Wikipedia I found the following reference to Beckton Gas Works after 1949: "Following nationalization in 1949 the plant was owned by the North Thames Gas Board." Is that name what you ask for?
Rust 15: Can Westside be the brand of that car?
13) Yes, that is the connection I was looking for. "1962 BMC FFK100 Tractor Unit Reg. No. N/A Chassis No. TBA Originally sold as a half chassis, half cab to North Thames Gas and coachbuilt as a mobile showroom, then sold to Robert Bros Circus in the late 1960s as an advance booking office until the 1980s, then to Fossetts Circus in Ireland thereafter it stayed in various funfair ownership until its return to the mainland in 2007, now awaiting the restorers hand."
15) No
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It is time to summarize and reflect:
I have solved 12 of the 15 pairs proposed, not think bud result at the moment. I think I have identified the three remaining places correctly. But now I'm missing out on the rest of Rust and its connections to the respective Place. New questions:
- Rust 2. - Is it original from UK?
- Rust 11 is a French Talbot with English bodywork and is not related to Place A Bradford. Is its partner Place C?
- Rust 15 Is it based on an English chassis other than Mini-Minimoke?
- Place A The Alhambra Theater in Morley St. Bradford, Yorkshire not the couple of Rust 11. This description includes the keyword interconnection with its Rust?
- Place B West front of the Capitol of Washington. This description includes the keyword interconnection with its Rust?
- Place C Monument 25 de Abril in the park Eduardo Vii of Lisbon Portugal This description includes the keyword interconnection with its Rust?
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- Rust 2. - Is it original from UK?
- Rust 11 is a French Talbot with English bodywork and is not related to Place A Bradford. Is its partner Place C?
- Rust 15 Is it based on an English chassis other than Mini-Minimoke?
- Place A The Alhambra Theater in Morley St. Bradford, Yorkshire not the couple of Rust 11. This description includes the keyword interconnection with its Rust?
- Place B West front of the Capitol of Washington. This description includes the keyword interconnection with its Rust?
- Place C Monument 25 de Abril in the park Eduardo Vii of Lisbon Portugal This description includes the keyword interconnection with its Rust?
No
No
Some Mini parts in it as far as I know.
Yes
No
Yes (mainly)
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- Is Rust 2 from Western Europe? (Before the disappearance of the Warsaw Pact)
- Rust 11 is connected to Place B through a person related to the construction of the Capitol?
- Rust 15 The engine is an English Ford?
- Place A Is the word Morley that links it to its Rust?
- Place C Is it the word Park that relates it to its Rust?
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- Is Rust 2 from Western Europe? (Before the disappearance of the Warsaw Pact)
- Rust 11 is connected to Place B through a person related to the construction of the Capitol?
- Rust 15 The engine is an English Ford?
- Place A Is the word Morley that links it to its Rust?
- Place C Is it the word Park that relates it to its Rust?
1) Yes
2) No
3) No
4) No
5) No
...and moved to the Pro board. Let the sharks enter the tank!
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I am very happy to know that my friends pros come to the rescue ...
Anyway, I'll keep looking:
- Is Rust 2 French?
- Rust 11, is the connection to Place B due to something in the picture?
- Rust 15 Is the engine from Citröern 2 CV?
- Place A Is the connection with its Rust the word Bradford?
- Place C Is the connection with its Rust the word Lisboa / Lisbon?
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I am very happy to know that my friends pros come to the rescue ...
Anyway, I'll keep looking:
- Is Rust 2 French?
- Rust 11, is the connection to Place B due to something in the picture?
- Rust 15 Is the engine from Citröern 2 CV?
- Place A Is the connection with its Rust the word Bradford?
- Place C Is the connection with its Rust the word Lisboa / Lisbon?
1) No
2) Rust 11 is already connected to Place D and solved.
3) No
4) Yes (and no, as it can be connected even more general)
5) No
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Sorry I've mistaked the number.
- Rust 9, is the connection to Place B due to something in the picture?
- Is Rust 2 Italian?
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Twice no
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- Is Rust 2 Italian?
- Place A Is the connection with its Rust the word Yorkshire?
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Rust 2 is still not Italian, but Yorkshire is the keyword to Place A.
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Sorry again for the repetitive question
- Is rust 2 German?
- Is Yorkshire the county were its couple rust as made?
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1) Yes
2) I don't know where the company was located.
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Rust 2 - Mercedes Benz Ponton, Portuguese Army driving school and Place C - Anniversary of the 1974 Revolution Monument in Lisbon.
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Rust 2 - Mercedes Benz Ponton, Portuguese Army driving school and Place C - Anniversary of the 1974 Revolution Monument in Lisbon.
Correct! I'll add some pictures of this rather unknown Mercedes-Benz tonight.
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Thanks Ropat53 for unclogging the completion of this "devilish" puzzle. There are only two couples left to join. I tell you what I have already need to deduce
Rust 11 is a French Talbot bodied in the UK and ist partner is Place B which is a photo of the Washington Capitol under construction. But I could not find the relationship between them
Rust 15 is a supposedly obscure English vehicle, similar but not made by SCAMP. Logically it can only be related to Place A which is a photo of Bradford, Yorkshire. The word that relates them is Yorkshire, what remains to be found is the brand of Rust 15.
Two easy extra points for Ropat53 or any other pro that wants to help to finish the puzzle.
Anyway I had a great fun solving the first 12 couples, thanks Wendax
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A slight correction: I don't know where Rust 11 was bodied, probably French, not UK.
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The Portuguese army Mercedes-Benz:
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A slight correction: I don't know where Rust 11 was bodied, probably French, not UK.
Rust 11 has already been solved, it's the Winchester London Taxi, Rust 9, the Talbot is still unsolved.
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Of course!
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Is Rust 15 Mini based?
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According to the scarce info I have there are some Mini parts in it, as well as some of related cars.
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3) As far as I know it is not a Scamp, but very closely related.
Rust 15 is not a SCAMP, but was Robert Mandry involved?
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I don't know. The car might be a more or less modified Scamp, but it has a manufacturer of its own.
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Returning to Rust 9 Talbot and his couple Place B Washington Capitol, is the word America what relates them?
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No
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I think the connection is DC. Rust 9 Talbot Type DC and Place B Washington DC.
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That's it! One more to go.
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How about Rust 15 - NOMAD MINI, built by Foers Engineering/Yorkshire and Place A - Alhambra Theater Bradford, Yorkshire.
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Not a Nomad
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Normally when something obscure and automotive cross-refers to the Bradford area it involves Idle. Or the Idle Working Mens' Club ;D
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;D
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Can Rust 15 be found on the Internet?
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I think this very car is not any longer online, but an identical car (except for the colour) can be found together with the solution of the Yorkshire connection puzzle.
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I think I've found it. I guess you mean the MDV Panel Van made for Yorkshire Council from Mini & Metro parts in 1982. So Rust 15 is a MDV that is matching with Place A which is the Alhambra Theater in Bradford, Yorkshire.
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:applause:
That's the last missing pair. The vendor said that it was used in Bradford by West Yorkshire council.
You have done a tremendous job. Chapeau!
That makes 13 points for luisps and 2 for ropat53.
I enjoyed to see how this puzzle was solved. I'm already collecting input for next year's edition. Stay tuned!
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Thanks Wendax, but it has not been a job, it has been a tremendous fun!!! And thanks to Ropat53 because it helped me solving two pairs, one of which, the Portuguese, that for me seemed impossible to find ...
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The MDV van in all of its beauty: