base car is easy : what about its particularity? and from where?
experts?
A Ranger, Belgian-built in that case I'd guess?
Oops, forget my answer, I am still half-sleeping I suppose. Vauxhall-based, but it rings no bell for me.
Did it still have a Vauxhall engine or a US V8?
On show in Sweden?
don't think it has a US v8 engine.
not shown in Sweden
Is it an Envoy for Canada?
no
Ventora for the Swiss market?
Ventora yes but not for swiss market: it's a one off
During this era Holden had an 'SS' Monaro, so is this a Ventora SS, complete with go-faster bonnet stipe?
Note the car is LHD, so was it for a European market?
There's a VW-Porsche 914 behind it, so perhaps Germany or Austria?
Quote from: richard cuyler on April 20, 2017, 03:56:45 PM
During this era Holden had an 'SS' Monaro, so is this a Ventora SS, complete with go-faster bonnet stipe?
no
Quote from: Carnut on April 21, 2017, 05:05:36 AM
Note the car is LHD, so was it for a European market?
There's a VW-Porsche 914 behind it, so perhaps Germany or Austria?
european market: yes
not shown in Germany or Austria
Spain?
yes!
Was it badged as an Opel?
no
Anything to do with Hispano-Aleman?
Was it branded as a Vauxhall, but built in Spain?
Quote from: D-type on April 26, 2017, 06:40:46 AM
Was it branded as a Vauxhall, but built in Spain?
:thumbsup:
Built at Zaragoza and called a Ventora VX/490?
These darn straws are so hard to clutch... ;D ;D
Zaragoza was of course the Opel factory in Spain, which is why I asked if it was Opel badged.
As far as I remember Vauxhalls were not sold in Spain, and if I recall correctly a manufacturer could only sell a very limited number of cars in Spain at the time of the Ventora (only about 100 or less I think) unless they actually had an assembly plant in Spain.
So, was it badged as a Vauxhall?
it is badged Vauxhall
Quote from: thorax on April 26, 2017, 04:26:20 PM
it is badged Vauxhall
Vauxhall Ventora?
Is it 'Vauxhall Ventora Rallye' or something like that?
Maybe you didn't see my question yesterday:
Quote from: Carnut on April 26, 2017, 05:30:46 AM
Anything to do with Hispano-Aleman?
Vauxhall Ventora is right: not rally
sorry Carnut: don't know if there is a connection with Hispano-Aleman
Quote from: thorax on April 27, 2017, 06:29:13 AM
Vauxhall Ventora is right: not rally
Sport?
What about De Tomaso then?
no and no
Does it carry the name of a Spanish tuning/modifying company?
Is it as simple as it being a left hand drive Ventora? And exported from Spain?
Quote from: Carnut on April 27, 2017, 06:44:21 PM
Does it carry the name of a Spanish tuning/modifying company?
no
Quote from: D-type on April 27, 2017, 07:19:23 PM
Is it as simple as it being a left hand drive Ventora? And exported from Spain?
no: as I just said it is a one off with a particular engine ;)
A different Vauxhall engine?
Vauxhall tuned engine
4 cylinder? Tuned by Brabham?
tuned by Brabham, but not 4 cylinders.
Locked for Carnut
Quote from: thorax on April 28, 2017, 11:52:29 AM
tuned by Brabham, but not 4 cylinders.
Locked for Carnut
You've already said you didn't think it had a US V8 and it's not a 4 cylinder. You said it was a Vauxhall engine and since they didn't make a V8 (and neither did Opel, who fitted a Chevy V8 in their Diplomat) is it a Vauxhall 6-cylinder engine, like other Ventoras?
six cylinder is right
OK, so it's the Vauxhall Ventora Brabham from Spain.
What else is it you're looking for?!
It wasn't the 1970 World Cup Rally car was it?
Vauxhall Ventora Brabham from Spain is ok: one point is yours!
Wait, but that tweet only says that this was possibly the only Vauxhall Ventora Brabham ever built, and that it was shown at the 1970 Barcelona Motor Show. It is in no way implying that the car was built in Spain, which I think would be extremely unlikely.
Quote from: el_monty on April 29, 2017, 06:10:34 AM
Wait, but that tweet only says that this was possibly the only Vauxhall Ventora Brabham ever built, and that it was shown at the 1970 Barcelona Motor Show. It is in no way implying that the car was built in Spain, which I think would be extremely unlikely.
Yes, that's exactly what I thought too but didn't say so.
No Vauxhalls were built in Spain.
This is an LHD Luton-built Ventora (they were also assembled from CKD parts in Switzerland and New Zealand) which is on show at Barcelona. That's why I asked if it was the 1970 World Cup Rally car: that was an LHD Luton-built tuned car but I have been unable to find any pictures or other information about it at all.
so,my bad information?
I just wanted to clarify that the car was not from Spain, it was just shown here (among other places I suppose). But anyway, Carnut figured out that it was a Brabham version, which is really the substance of the puzzle if you ask me, so I think there's no problem in him keeping his point, and all that needs to be done is to change the title of the thread to remove "from Spain".
Done!