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AutoPuzzles Today => Features, Stories and Photos => Featured Imagery => Topic started by: grobmotorix on December 12, 2011, 04:24:10 PM
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Show me your pics of a technology that may celebrate a renaissance within the next decades...
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One of my favorite ads:
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This one is nice too, showing a wood station (instead of a petrol station) in the background:
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Nice - more of it!
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I´ve found two photos I´ve shot around 2001 near Erlangen / Bavaria.
A gifted bavarian craftsman has converted his Opel Kadett Limousine with pre-WWII parts to run with wood gas.
And what should I say - the system has worked fine!
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The cars in the pictures coalcar, coalcar1 and coalcar3 aren't really wood gas generator cars, but cars that are powered by coal gas (or "town gas"). They don't produce the gas themselves, but just have a huge gas tank on the roof. And I'm not sure whether grob's first picture doesn't show a car with LPG tanks on the roof. But nevertheless, they are all interesting alternative gas engined cars.
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Grob - shall I remove them?
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No!
I was aware of that facts, of course, but let´s put it like wendax has named it before:
all interesting alternative gas engined cars
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I think I´ll change the topic´s title.
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That´s the kind of stuff we love... :thumbsup:
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Great pictures of the Panhard Dynamic, thanks ! (I knew the second picture, but the first one is new to me :) )
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Some more Panhard pictures with gas generators, all from the marvellous book "Panhard & Levassor - entre tradition et modernité" by Bernard Vermeylen.. First truck from 1928 (!), then a truck and a bus from 1939, then some pics from during WWII.
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Some more:
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And my last ones:
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Haha.. Reply #13 - the pair on picture 09 certainly knows something that guys on picture 04 do not :)
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NAMI 012
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Not sure if this fits or not, but I'm kinda partial to this:
http://www.route66goatgas.com/
Cort | 38.m.IL | pigValve + paceMaker + cowValve | 5 MCs + 1 Caprice Classic
* Radio.HolidayCDshowcase | 12.24.2011 | Noon-4p.CENTRAL | www.wrmn1410.com *
"It's a pudding made of figs ... and bacon" __ Gonzo to Miss Piggy/John Denver and Muppets __ 'We Wish You A Merry Christmas'
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Well this does not fit really, too: ;D
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Three more:
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Love the Faun...
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Berthelon, a French home-built tractor from 1942 running on wood gas:
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What a creation :o
Wow, with this slim tiny single front wheel it must be a torture to drive with all the engine weight on it.
And you´d better not leave the tarmac not to sink in instantly!
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In fact, it is rather a winch, as you can see on the attached photo I found in the net:
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A Citroen 11 normale, converted because of the Suez crisis in 1956 by Ets. Louis Libault in Plagny (Nièvre):
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Perhaps the car featured in the first post prior to its accident?
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Another nice one:
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Not sure if coal fuel should be posted here but......
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Yes - please!
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forgot this one:
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A wood gas Bugatti 57!!
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Berliet has built a gazogene version of their 3.3 liter 4cylinder engined car in 1935:
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A german wood gas bus from Rostock in 1933:
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A converted Morris Minor 1000:
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Here´s an ancient chinese version of alternatively powered transportation...
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What a creation :o
Wow, with this slim tiny single front wheel it must be a torture to drive with all the engine weight on it.
And you´d better not leave the tarmac not to sink in instantly!
Amen to that! Geez!...and they thought the Gugnot steamer was front-heavy!
RtR
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Since it's an "alternative gas engined car" here's a CNG-fueled/powered Batmobile replica (1989 version)
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Here´s the most ecological attempt so far... :D
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Here´s the most ecological attempt so far... :D
Not bad at all. 1 ZS (Ziege Stärke) with a spare motor. And with the opposite concept of today's plug-in rechargeable EVs, they mow the lawn when they're not in use. Hmmm....I wonder if that ol' boy patented that idea. :lmao:
RtR
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When the last petrol reserves will be emptied we may have to think about this concept. :'(
On planet earth there are many millions of encaged cattle, pigs etc. and everybody complains, that they do not have enough space to move around.... ;)
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Do ya think that the ACO would allow it to run in the GT1 (Goat Touring) class at Le Mans? :hah:
RtR
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Nice idea...
Here´s a nice Opel:
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Even big and expensive cars have been modded.
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Rio 1943 and the street seem to have been full with converted cars :o :
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Ford.
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Even a yellow Opel Kadett City... :o
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A few more
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A 1934 Saurer:
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Milano 1942
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And a contemporary sketch:
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a 1948 ad:
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Methane (left) vs Gazogene (right)! ;)
Milan 1945.
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A survivor:
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Fiat 635 (1936ca.)
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Friday two-fer
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Perhaps one of our Dutch members can translate this joke:
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15Mar Coal (2)
Wow, what would this be?
A Lanchester or a NEC?
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1913 38hp Lanchester. I was torn - should I post it here, or in the pedal cars thread? :D
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:)
Thank you!
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(http://krisdedecker.typepad.com/.a/6a00e0099229e88833014e60e703bc970c-pi)
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People expect that Alfa Romeo's show up on Councours d'elegances and in the Mille Miglia, but not in these configurations!
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:applause:
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Less spectacular:
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During WW2:
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An Opel Kapitän Cabriolet:
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A very professional conversion - thank you for posting.
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An not so elegant conversion (sorry for the pictures being recent):
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No problem - it´s a real survivor, worth to be shown here.
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A very interesting subject, Burkhard and I share your interest. In fact, I think we share a couple of source bookmarks.
Here are some additional photos for your thread.
Please note that I use the German term "holzgas" as a sort of generic descriptive term and not all photos show a true wood burning apparat but are a mixture of 3-4 alternative fuel systems.
Bill
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For some reason, I cannot post any more photos.
It says there is already a file with that name in use, rename the file.
What does that mean??
Bill
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Trying again
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An marvellous artist´s impression of a 1936 wood gas truck:
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A nice Peugeot conversion:
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This one is up for sale right now:
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:o
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A better designed Peugeot Gazogene:
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A converted Dodge truck in Japan, 1934:
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Nice find and Thank You!!
Bill
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A few more from my archives..........
Bill
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Some more.........
Bill
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A few more.........
Bill
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And enough for tonight................
Bill
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You Likeee..............
Some more.
Bill
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More............
Edit: The Ford is a 1937 I think now.
Bill
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Some more..........
Bill
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And the last for now...........
Bill
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A 1935 demonstration run to promote alternative fuels in Berlin, 1935.
And an ad for wood, readily portioned to use it in wood gas generators, also from 1935:
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A halftrack truck converted to Holzgas used after the WW2 for agriculture:
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Those were hard times indeed...
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Yes indeed, hard times for sure.
No one else has mentioned much about the actual history of alternative fuels on this thread, so I will throw in a few lines.
Please bear in mind, I have done no serious research, merely a few Google inquiries.
Basically, alternative fuels other than oil based products have been around about as long as the internal combustion engine itself.
Generally speaking, it seems that oil based products were found early on to be many times more efficient than other types of fuels so they became dominant almost from the beginning. But, for various reasons, there was a steady market for many types of alternative fuels in many geographic areas.
The earliest oil fields seem to have been found in the former Soviet Union based on what I have read. Baku in the 1860's and Azerbaijan in the 1890's.
By the early 1900's, fields had been discovered in such widely diverse areas as Canada, Sumatra and other former Dutch East Indies countries, Iran, Peru, Mexico, Venezuela, Romania and of course some fields in the US. This allowed oil based products to be the dominant fuel in most countries.
WWI, of course, disturbed the distribution patterns and many countries that were cut off from oil were forced to use wood, coal, natural gas and any other similar product (peat perhaps?) as a substitute.
Once the recovery from that war was under way, the traditional oil suppliers were able to serve their former markets again and oil based products to once again become dominant.
Sadly, The Great Depression caused a different kind of problem for countries with no direct oil supplies from within their own borders or from their colonies. Balance of Payment difficulties and a lack of Foreign Exchange issues caused many countries even in peace time to make use of alternative fuels. This even when major new oil fields were being discovered in the US, The Middle East and large reserves in Venezuela. In many countries, WWII was just a continuation of the problem although now on a much larger scale. Here, entire geographic areas were almost totally cut off from receiving oil products.
From what I have read, the fuel of choice was probably determined mainly by what was available locally.
In Scandinavia, where there were huge forested areas, wood and wood by products provided the fuel. In countries where coal was readily available, middle Europe, that was used and in countries with a good Natural Gas supply and distribution network they used that medium. France, Belgium and Holland would fit that model.
It is for the above reasons that we will see on this thread a variety of solutions to the lack of oil products and why we will see a given geographic area seem to use one specific solution and another a different solution.
Photographic evidence would indicate that by about 1948/1949 the absolute need for alternative fuels was pretty much over and most vehicles once again ran on oil based products.
Today, the Poster Child alternative to oil based fuels is the Electric motor but that is a story for another day.
Here is a photo of a restored Citroen that I picked up today while researching a puzzle question.
Bill
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Further to my remarks in the last post, here is an interesting anomaly.
In my research on US cars sold to, produced or assembled in countries outside the US, I have many, many images stored.
South America, up until the 1960's, was a US manufacturer's "playground". Probably 90% of all cars and trucks in use there were from the US. So, many images from that geographic area.
In looking for materiel for this thread, I discovered that it seems that of the photos I have collected, only Brazil/Brasil had vehicles running on alternative fuels. I have not discovered why and if any of you have a thought, please share it.
My only thought is that Brazil/Brasil was a former Portuguese colony as opposed to almost the entire rest of South American countries being former Spanish colonies and perhaps that country was blocked from purchasing oil based products for that reason.
Anyway, a couple of posts on alternative fuel vehicles from Brazil/Brasil.
Bill
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Some more:
Bill
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Thank you, Bill, for those fine contributions!
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You are most welcome, Kind Sir:
Too bad, really, that this thread has so few interested participants, it really is a valid historical subject.
Here is one from the Spanish Civil War.
Bill
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A wood gas tourist bus in 1935
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An 1898 E-bike!
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A converted Mercedes-Benz 290:
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This looks like a fairly well integrated conversion.
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The picture is not very good, but interesting:
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Hard times
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Stay classy, stay clean:
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Not bad at all!
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Businessmen
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Wanderer on wood:
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Nice!
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A gas generator for a bus!
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A Ford 13/50 PS 3.3 tons Holzgas truck as part of a Ford exhibition in Ilmenau:
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Two I found today.
Sorry, I will resize the photos next time.
Bill
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A couple more and properly sized I hope.
Bill
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Nice ones!
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Some interesting biogas driven solutions from Germany (1949)
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A Jeep, converted to generator gas in 1947 with an Imbert generator.
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Cool!
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An Italian contribution from 1929:
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A Gräf & Stift:
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Postwar V8
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A Matford:
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A whole variety of Latil gazogene trucks and buses:
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An ad for Treibgas conversions:
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Admiral Wood:
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Here´s a BMW 320 with wood gas generator:
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Still in use in the GDR after 1953:
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Energized as Ulbricht´s „Überholen ohne einzuholen“-words...
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:nod: :joker:
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Some Gazogene Unic truck photos from 1938 and 1939 brochures:
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A Berlin taxi powered by Leuna Treibgas in 1939:
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Never seen that before - thank you.
War times obviously - no more space to carry bags or suitcases there any more...
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Another Opel Admiral:
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I've found this picture, don't know exactly what it is
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It is -
cool :)
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This is from Paris, conversion made by Tubauto 1945
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Other generation of wood gas vehicles
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Thank you!
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Brash Engine Air Steam Hybrid
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In 1942 Mercedes sold this coal-gas engined truck:
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Opel Bus 1939
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With a fender-mounted radiator:
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Oh, I missed this - yes that radiator is definitly strange!
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Did we have this Volvo before?
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Orenstein & Koppel (O&K) gas genarator for trucks, a 1938 ad:
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In the middle of WW2, Imbert released this brochure in 1941 to promote their wood gas and coal gas generators.
Here you are the scans of the complete brochure from my collection:
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An interesting 1927 Panhard bus with wood gas generator:
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A very elegant Panhard gazogene truck, here shown at a demonstration tour in Vienna in 1935:
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Trés chic! :)
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Another French one:
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wow...
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Did we have this autogas converted Peugeot before?
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Italy:
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Nice one - do you know the make?
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no, I'm sorry
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from Yugoslavia
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No, from Berlin!
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you are right
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a big car:
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from Sicily:
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A Hanomag 1,3 Liter with gas bottles on its roof:
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Thank you Thorax and Wendax!
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;)
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I've found these 2 Peugeot
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I have seen the first one before, but the front wood gas machinery at the Peugeot 402 is weird, indeed...
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Gaz (1941):
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:applause:
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maybe a Wanderer:
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Not maybe, but definitly!
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Tinarelli advertise:
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Lancia Aprilia:
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"Der Herr erschuf in seinem Zorn den Imbert mit dem Rütteldorn" - "the lord in his wrath created imbert with the..." "Rütteldorn" is difficult to translate. Imbert-Systems needed regular loosening of the pieces of wood. A metal rod was used for this, so called "Rüttelstange". That was a hard and dirty job. Therefore it was a very "popular job" with drivers and, better, stokers.
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A nice saying
I´d translate "Stüttelstab" with poking rod or something alike.
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An Opel Olympia in postwar Eastern Germany with an external LPG tank I think:
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A unique solution - almost elegantly integrated.
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American pickup with wood gas generator:
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Fiat 1500 6C with gas bottles on the roof:
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more Fiat 1500 6C
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maybe a Renault
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It is a Renault Juvaquatre. The sign on the back says SAUR (= Société anonyme des usines Renault).
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A page from a photo album showing the history of the Budapest Taxi company. A Fiat with LPG conversion from the 1940s
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But the taxi company also worked with gas conversions
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Thank you guys!
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1939
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I never saw a converted Balilla before. :thumbsup:
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really?
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French (wood) gas station 1934:
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Fiat and Alfa buses
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Peugeot:
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😍
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1940
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:applause:
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from Brasil
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Italy 1940
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Lancia
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1941, Passo dello Stelvio (for German friends "Stilfserjoch").
I'm interested to know how version is the Fiat one (not a common 1100 A or B)
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I also guess it is a Fiat, most probably an 1100.
However I also have no idea about its bodywork.
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Berliet. USSR Chukotka, October 1936.
https://goskatalog.ru/portal/#/collections?id=13960324
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Good one! :thumbsup:
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I also guess it is a Fiat, most probably an 1100.
However I also have no idea about its bodywork.
It's a 1100: I've no idea too
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Gas generating vehicle NIIGT GM-1. Designer Peltzer A. I. 1938 USSR
https://russiainphoto.ru/search/?source_ids=185&tag_tree_ids=31119
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1938/39 Ford with a gengas generator trailer in Norway
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Lancia Aprilia 1940
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the advertise (from the review "Auto Italiana"):
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An old workhorse:
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The Peugeot 403 is a quite unusual choice for a wood gas generator:
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1940 Italy:
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electric and gas:
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Any idea what the middle one is?
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Spijkstaal would be a fair assumption (whether it's true or not is a different story). This photo dates from 1940 and was taken in Amsterdam, the Netherlands. The provincial license plate indication of "GZ" coincides with the province of North Holland in which Amsterdam is located. The Spijkstaal company was established in 1938. Taking these two facts into consideration the "Spijkstaal" assumption is logical until proven wrong ;-)
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Another woodburner:
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Any idea what the middle one is?
no idea sorry!
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An interesting, fully converted tractor with an Imbert generator
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Even old ones were converted:
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A rare photo of a gas generator conversion of a Fordson tractor:
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A set of pictures featuring gazogène units from G. L. Universel:
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Gas operation during the second world war in Hanover.
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Thank you Wendax!
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A Ford Eifel with a big gas bottle:
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Hard times:
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Maintenance:
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And working again: