1954 Turin Motor Show (ex MPC#045)

Paul Jaray · March 31, 2014, 02:32:24 PM

And finally the 1100TV Coupe Speciale by Vignale!

Iluvatar · March 31, 2014, 04:01:26 PM

Quote from: Wendax on March 31, 2014, 01:52:53 PM
Now I can try again with the second Moretti 750 Alger Le Cap (http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=27246.msg320387#msg320387).

Correct!

Quote from: Paul Jaray on March 31, 2014, 02:32:24 PM
And finally the 1100TV Coupe Speciale by Vignale!

Vignale Fiat... ~~but not a 1100... locked for you...~~
~~EDIT: sorry... 1100 is right...~~
EDIT again... the car is not a 1100! ...locked for you...

SACO · March 31, 2014, 04:36:06 PM

The Alfa 1900 TI Super Pinin Farina near the Bentley PF ?

Iluvatar · March 31, 2014, 04:42:34 PM

Quote from: SACO on March 31, 2014, 04:36:06 PM
The Alfa 1900 TI Super Pinin Farina near the Bentley PF ?

You are really close... the only problem is that the 1900 is not "near" the Bentley... there's something else in between...
but the 1900 is near another car already identified... locked for you to find out what it is...

I give you a little help... you picture is reversed... take a look at the map and you'll find the car...

(Bentley is #12)

Paul Jaray · March 31, 2014, 04:45:43 PM

Quote from: Iluvatar on March 31, 2014, 04:01:26 PM
Quote from: Wendax on March 31, 2014, 01:52:53 PM
Now I can try again with the second Moretti 750 Alger Le Cap (http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=27246.msg320387#msg320387).
Correct!

Quote from: Paul Jaray on March 31, 2014, 02:32:24 PM
And finally the 1100TV Coupe Speciale by Vignale!
Vignale Fiat... ~~but not a 1100... locked for you...~~
~~EDIT: sorry... 1100 is right...~~
EDIT again... the car is not a 1100! ...locked for you...

The pic in my reply cames from Sannia's book about Fiat Nuova 1100, pag.95...I can guess it's a 1400, but I still think it's a 1100.

Iluvatar · March 31, 2014, 04:51:39 PM

Map updated http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=27246.msg310520#msg310520

Iluvatar · March 31, 2014, 04:56:53 PM

Quote from: Paul Jaray on March 31, 2014, 04:45:43 PM
Quote from: Iluvatar on March 31, 2014, 04:01:26 PM
Quote from: Wendax on March 31, 2014, 01:52:53 PM
Now I can try again with the second Moretti 750 Alger Le Cap (http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=27246.msg320387#msg320387).
Correct!

Quote from: Paul Jaray on March 31, 2014, 02:32:24 PM
And finally the 1100TV Coupe Speciale by Vignale!
Vignale Fiat... ~~but not a 1100... locked for you...~~
~~EDIT: sorry... 1100 is right...~~
EDIT again... the car is not a 1100! ...locked for you...
The pic in my reply cames from Sannia's book about Fiat Nuova 1100, pag.95...I can guess it's a 1400, but I still think it's a 1100.

Yes... I know that... but it's an error I have found on a period magazine... a misleading reversed caption...
The car is not a 1100 nor a 1400... but it's a Fiat...

SACO · March 31, 2014, 05:14:10 PM

I don't understand !
The Lancia PF200 is black?
And the car near the Alfa 1900 PF is a Ferrari (250 ? )

Iluvatar · March 31, 2014, 05:47:59 PM

Quote from: SACO on March 31, 2014, 05:14:10 PM
I don't understand !
The Lancia PF200 is black?
And the car near the Alfa 1900 PF is a Ferrari (250 ? )

Maybe the cars were not in the same place for the entire duration of the show... but if you look at this picture the car on the right of the Bentley is black and it should be the Lancia PF200.
The car between the 1900 and the Bentley is white so it's not the Lancia PF200...
But from other pictures I have the white car is on the left of the 1900, like in your last post...

Iluvatar · March 31, 2014, 05:49:39 PM

If you look at the map (in the first page), there are two "??" cars on the left of the Bentley (#12)... they are the cars of your last picture... so now you should be able to identify one of them...

still locked for SACO

Paul Jaray · March 31, 2014, 06:14:39 PM

Quote from: Iluvatar on March 31, 2014, 04:56:53 PM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on March 31, 2014, 04:45:43 PM
Quote from: Iluvatar on March 31, 2014, 04:01:26 PM
Quote from: Wendax on March 31, 2014, 01:52:53 PM
Now I can try again with the second Moretti 750 Alger Le Cap (http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=27246.msg320387#msg320387).
Correct!

Quote from: Paul Jaray on March 31, 2014, 02:32:24 PM
And finally the 1100TV Coupe Speciale by Vignale!
Vignale Fiat... ~~but not a 1100... locked for you...~~
~~EDIT: sorry... 1100 is right...~~
EDIT again... the car is not a 1100! ...locked for you...
The pic in my reply cames from Sannia's book about Fiat Nuova 1100, pag.95...I can guess it's a 1400, but I still think it's a 1100.
Yes... I know that... but it's an error I have found on a period magazine... a misleading reversed caption...
The car is not a 1100 nor a 1400... but it's a Fiat...

I'll go for 1900, then.

SACO · April 01, 2014, 01:51:39 AM

The Lancia PF on the right of the Bentley !

SACO · April 01, 2014, 01:56:22 AM

A Fiat 1100TV by Pinin Farina on left or second left of the Bentley ?

Iluvatar · April 01, 2014, 04:06:38 AM

Quote from: Paul Jaray on March 31, 2014, 06:14:39 PM
I'll go for 1900, then.

Yes 1900!
I'll explain the error and how I found it when all the Vignale cars will be solved...

Iluvatar · April 01, 2014, 04:38:22 AM

Quote from: SACO on April 01, 2014, 01:56:22 AM
A Fiat 1100TV by Pinin Farina on left or second left of the Bentley ?

I'm trying to figure out how to explain all the picture of the Pinin Farina stand...

Iluvatar · April 01, 2014, 05:12:43 AM

I think that the picture you posted with the white car between Bentley and Alfa 1900 was shooted when the cars were not in the final position.
This is not strange, I have some picture with cars moved from their final place just to have a better view to shoot photos...
The correct disposition is the one in your reply #307
I post a map of the Pinin Farina stand...
It should be quite clear now where is the 1900...

still locked for SACO

targhediferro · April 01, 2014, 05:48:09 AM

I know I'm not allowed to give answers...but just to help in getting everyone confused

, I remember Joao's answer #180...Alfa 1900 seems to be in another position more.

Iluvatar · April 01, 2014, 05:53:02 AM

Quote from: targhediferro on April 01, 2014, 05:48:09 AM
I know I'm not allowed to give answers...but just to help in getting everyone confused , I remember Joao's answer #180...Alfa 1900 seems to be in another position more.

The Joao post was correct... but he didn't tell where exactly the 1900 is... so it was not enough to have the point...

Quote from: Iluvatar on February 20, 2014, 11:10:12 AM
Quote from: João on February 19, 2014, 01:26:36 PM
Pininfarina Stand : 1954 Alfa Romeo 1900 TI Super
You have to tell me where it was (near to...) ...but indeed there was one...

Iluvatar · April 01, 2014, 05:56:25 AM

In the Pinin Farina stand there was a P.F. Alfa Romeo 1900 TI Super, and now I'd like to know from SACO at least one car which is near (beside, behind, in front...) this 1900 and which was already identified... there are at least 3 cars already solved "near" the 1900!

Iluvatar · April 01, 2014, 05:58:36 AM

Quote from: targhediferro on April 01, 2014, 05:48:09 AM
I know I'm not allowed to give answers...

You are not allowed to solve cars... but you are allowed to write on this thread...

Iluvatar · April 01, 2014, 06:03:07 AM

When car #100 will be identified I'll reopen the puzzle to everybody!!

SACO · April 01, 2014, 06:32:22 AM

Thus ; the Alfa 1900TI Super is on the left of the Bentley ?

Iluvatar · April 01, 2014, 06:46:17 AM

Quote from: SACO on April 01, 2014, 06:32:22 AM
Thus ; the Alfa 1900TI Super is on the left of the Bentley ?

Yessss!!!

Paul Jaray · April 01, 2014, 08:40:58 AM

The Vignale in the middle should be a 1100 Coupe Mignon....

Iluvatar · April 01, 2014, 10:11:52 AM

Quote from: Paul Jaray on April 01, 2014, 08:40:58 AM
The Vignale in the middle should be a 1100 Coupe Mignon....

what's the meaning of "in the middle"?

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