A book is published and the first copies are on their way to the post office...
(http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=11001.75
...so the first thing to do is starting another one! ;D
And once again I'm here to ask you help in finding more and more stange, odd, unusual car to include.
This time, we will talk about Fiat 124 (all version: saloon, estate, coupe and spider) and Fiat 125.
But the great point is that this time the book will be really international, as it will include also the derivatives of the 124 and 125 made wordlwide under Fiat license: Lada 1200, 1300 & 1500, Seat 124 & 1430, Fiat-Concord 125 & 1600, Premier 118, Murat 124, Polski-Fiat 125P...
As usual, the 3 best contributions will be awarded with a free copy.
I know your archives are so big and I look forward great news.
What is the time range for cars? ;)
This is a hard point. I usually consider period coachbuildings (and not odd conversions on classic-cars) everithing made within about 10 years after end-of-production. I.e. for the Fiat 500 within 1985.
I know this time some licensed model is still in production (Lada somewhere in southern ex-URSS). So I should include them all.
Just to save space for the most interesting ones, I would only exclude home-made tuning cars made today in Russia, which I know are very common on old Ladas. But professional conversions are really welcome.
@ als15,
Can you give us an overview of everything you already have? That will make live easier for us.
Let's start with some Pedro Serra bodied cars:
Seat 1430 Berlina
Seat 1430 Cabriolet
Seat 124 Sport 1600 Cabriolet
Seat 1430 Fastback
Seat 124 Sport Coupé 1800
How about this one?
I think it was some derivative of Polski Fiat 125P:
<<< link removed >>>
Quote from: 75america on August 31, 2010, 12:30:35 PM
Can you give us an overview of everything you already have? That will make live easier for us.
I was going to do that!
Let's start with models known and well documented:
ItalyCoachbuildingsBertone - 125 Executive
Eurostyle - 125 coupé 1968
Francis Lombardi - 124 Smart
Michelotti - 125 coupé 1969 & 1970
Moretti - 124 coupé, 125 coupé GS 1.6, 125 coupé with 128 body, 125 S coupé
Pininfarina - 124 spider, 124 coupé, Spidereuropa
Poccardi - 124 Shopping, 125 Shopping, 124 coupé
Savio - 124 coupé (1968, only: older pictures missed!!!), 125 coupé, 124 giardinetta
Scioneri - 124 coupé, 125 coupé
Touring - 124 cabriolet
Vignale - 124 Eveline, 125 Samantha
Zagato - 125 GTZ coupé
OffroadsCMG
OSI - 124 Cross-country
Utility carsBoneschi - 124 & 125 ambulance
Fissore - 125 station-wagon, ambulance and hearse
Grazia - 125 ambulance
OSI - 125 Estate-car
Savio - 124 Savana
TuningsGiannini - 124 saloon
Radbourne - 124 saloon Abarth
Scotti - 124 & 124 Spider
Single-seaterAbarth - Formula Italia
OthersFNM - 124 Diesel
Italmolle - 124 engine with rotary timing
GermanyWochner - tuning kits
SpainSportscarArtés - El CampeadorSerra - 124 Sport Cabriolet
Talleres Hispano Aleman - Castilla
TuningsDdauto - 124, 1430, 1600 Rally, 1800 Rally, 1800 Formula
de Cos - Alpine A110 with Seat 1430 engine
Hispakart - 1430
Juncosa - 124 & 1430
Manso - Alpine A110 with Seat 1430 engine
Movi - 1430
Scratch - 124 ,1430 & Alpine A110 with Seat 1430 engine
OthersAutotécnica - Artefcato & Chitty
de Cos - barchetta "Adidas"
Iresa - barchetta under Torralba license
Naia - barchetta with Seat 1430 engine
Speedwell-Noguera - tubular barchetta with Seat 1430 engine
IndiaPCB - spyder and coupe-cabriolet on 118NE base
United StatesArcher - kit-car with 124 Spider body
John Rich - tuning kits
Serra - tuning kits
How about this one?
1973 Fiat ESV 2500 - safety vehicle based on Fiat 124, as far as I know.
Second, a list of models I know exist, but of whom any further info or picture is welcome.
Italy
Single-seater (Formula 3)
ASA
Dagrada
De Sanctis
Faccioli
Foglietti
Lucangeli
Wainer
Spain
Coachbuildings
Autotecnica - Cordoban
Serra - Seat 1430 sedan, 1430 cabriolet, 124 spider (based on Seat sedan), 124 Sport Coupé 1800 & 1430 fastback
Single-seater (Formula 1430 e Formula Seat 1800)
Adeserías - Europa
Barrabás
Cordobán
Etco
Falciot
Forpe
Hispakart
Javier
Juncosa
Kezka
Lince
LMR
Macoy
Martini - Mk12
Me-Pre
Novauto - AF001
Ro-An
Seléx - ST3, ST4, ST5, ST6
Others
AR - MG TD replica
Gerion - Bugatti 35 replica
Mallorca - Lotus replica
Stromberg - Furia (old-style replica)
Belgium
Martare sportscar with 125 engine
Czechoslovakia
Single-seater
Agro
Arcus
Avia
Delta
KDV
Metalex
Pauer
RAF
Estonia
Kit-Grupp Rex Lada-based kit-cars
DDR
Single-seater
HTS
Küther
Kuhn
Melkus
SEG
SRG
Hungary
Single-seater
Ikarus
Kovács
SROF
Others
Arsenal - Lada-based kit-car
Poland
Single-seater
JJ
Promot
RAK
Romania
Single-seater
LGM
Soviet-Union
utility
VIS - Lada 2345-10, 2345-12, 23452
Single-seater
BPS-Estonia
Estonia
Tallept-Estonia
VMGI
Argentina
Sportscar
BGS Lotus replica
GPA old-style roadster
Vidal coupé
I think there is a lot still to discover, especially out of Italy...
Pictures of AR - MG TD replica from Spain,
Martare GT from Belgium
A period picture of Metalex that I've found in a magazine some time ago. Sorry for poor quality. If needed, I'll try to make a scan tomorrow.
A new sports automobile Metalex-203 with a new engine (in 1977 it had a forced up to 125 hp engine of VAZ 21011).
QuoteEstablished in 1982, at the end of 1999 the company {RAK} built their first pseudo-cross-country vehicle, the Kros, based on Fiat 126 components
Wow...i did'n see it coming!
F.lli Antonucci Trieste, in 1972 built a prototype for Rally, Colotti gear, Fiat 125 or 132 engine. More on Milleruote Vol.1 pag.253
Boschi Seven MKIII from Argentina. More on Mike Lawrence "A to Z of Sports cars"
Hi!
I have a number of derivatives which I will need to compile.
At the moment, I'd like to note that Martini single seaters were French, not Spanish, as far as I know, while VMGI was a Bulgarian formula, not Soviet.
Thanks, thanks, thanks!
The Metalex is wonderful. I only knew the single-seater, while it seems they did also this nice sportscar and rally Ladas.
For Paul Jaray: unfortunately I don't have Milleruote... Can you scan for me the page?
There is another argentinian car...can't open the site anymore, but was caled "Rocha Vintage"...I'll try to find it back.
About Antonucci, on Milleruote there are just 9 lines, plus a pic of the Ford-engined Formula3.
Here's the text:
"ANTONUCCI (F.lli) - Officina Triestina specializzata nella trasformazione di vetture di serie, in particolare Fiat e Lancia. Nel 1959 costruisce alcune monoposto di formula Junior e in seguito di formula 3. Nel 1972 progetta un prototipo da Rally che puo essere equipaggiato con motori Fiat 125 o 132 e con cambio Colotti. L'indirizzo dell'officina Antonucci è: via Villan De Bacchino 2, Trieste."
Quote from: Paul Jaray on August 31, 2010, 01:38:47 PM
There is another argentinian car...can't open the site anymore, but was caled "Rocha Vintage"...I'll try to find it back.
Found something:
JUAN ROCHA - MIGUEL DELLEPIANE
Rocha Vintage
Comienzo Fabricación: 1983
Término de Fabricación: 1986
Origen: Argentina
Denominación Original: Maserati Monofaro
Carrocería: Roadster plástico sobre bastidor
Puertas: 2
Motor: Fiat 115 C 2038/20 (Fiat 125)
Ciclo: 4 tiempos, doble árbol de levas a la cabeza, válv a la cabeza
Ubicación: Delantero Longitudinal
Cilindrada (cm3): 1.498
Número de Cilindros: 4
Diám x Carr (mm): 86,1 x 64,3
Relación de Compresión: 8,5:1
Potencia (CV): 91 (SAE)
Régimen (r.p.m): 5.600
Par Motor (mKg): 13,5
Régimen (r.p.m): 2.800
Combustible: Nafta súper
Sistema de Combustible: 2 Carburadores Stronberg 150 CDS
Velocidades: 4
Tracción: Trasera
Refrigeración: Agua (8,5 litros)
Combustible: Nafta súper
Velocidades: 4
Relación Final: 4.1 : 1
Capacidad Combustible (litros): 45
Peso Vacio (Kg): 650
Largo (mm):
Ancho (mm):
Alto (mm):
Distancia entre Ejes (mm): 2.400
Trocha Delantera (mm): 1.040
Trocha Trasera (mm): 1.040
Frenos (Delanteros / Traseros): Discos - Tambor
Dirección: Piñón y cremallera
Suspensión Delantera: Independiente, paralelogramo deformable
Suspensión Trasera: eje rígido
Neumáticos:
Generador Eléctrico: Alternador 12V 40A
Detalle: Vehículo de producción especial
CANTIDAD: 22 Unidades
Unfortunately, my scanner isn't working anymore, therefore, no pictures at the moment but I can scan whatever you request at my work.
Some cars that are not present in your lists
- 1972 Fiat 4 seat coupé by Bertone on 1967 Fiat 124 S mechanics
- Isn't the OSI Cross country based on Fiat 124 and the estate on 125?
- 1967 Fiat 125 'Fastback coupé' by Savio
- Scioneri 124 coupé => there are 2 versions 1966 double front lights and 1967 single front lights
- 1967 Fiat 124 elaborazione scioneri
- 1970 Speedway
- Moretti: there were at least 3 different versions of the 124 'Sportiva' (single front light, double front light, square rear lights)
- Radbourne Abarth: Abarth-Simca bodyshell, Simca 1000 chassis, modified Abarth suspension and Fiat 124 engines. 12 cars were made.
Quote from: 75america on August 31, 2010, 02:08:49 PM
- 1972 Fiat 4 seat coupé by Bertone on 1967 Fiat 124 S mechanics
??? Perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't know it...
Quote
- Isn't the OSI Cross country based on Fiat 124 and the estate on 125?
Right: I corrected it.
Quote
- 1967 Fiat 125 'Fastback coupé' by Savio
Only a bad picture... a new one is welcome.
Quote
- 1967 Fiat 124 elaborazione scioneri
- 1970 Speedway
Never seen! :o
Do you have this one?
Only in black&white. Thanks!
There were two Fiat 125 based Eurostyle cars, weren't they?
Recently I've found this nice pic of the Savio 125 Station Wagon:
Quote from: Allemano on August 31, 2010, 02:36:29 PM
Recently I've found this nice pic of the Savio 125 Station Wagon:
Right: I forgot them while making the first draft list. >:(
In Ruoteclassiche N.68 (December 1993) there is a 8-page article about 125-coachbuilt cars with big, colour pics:
Moretti 125 Special Serie 2
Osi 125 Estate
Fissore 125 Giardinetta (BW)
Savio 125 Sport Wagon (BW front+rear view)
Poccardi 125 Sport wagon Frua (BW)
Scioneri 125 Berlina 2 porte (BW)
Bertone 125 Executive (BW)
Michelotti 125 Coupe
Eurostyle 125 Berlina (BW)
Eurostyle 125 Coupe (BW)
Vignale 125 Samantha
Moretti 125 Coupe
Zagato 125 GT Z
Quote from: als15 on August 31, 2010, 02:27:51 PM
Quote from: 75america on August 31, 2010, 02:08:49 PM
- 1972 Fiat 4 seat coupé by Bertone on 1967 Fiat 124 S mechanics
??? Perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't know it...
Quote
- Isn't the OSI Cross country based on Fiat 124 and the estate on 125?
Right: I corrected it.
Quote
- 1967 Fiat 125 'Fastback coupé' by Savio
Only a bad picture... a new one is welcome.
Quote
- 1967 Fiat 124 elaborazione scioneri
- 1970 Speedway
Never seen! :o
The Bertone can be found on page 140 of 'Bertone 90 Years 1912> 2002 Forma e progetto. Il Catalogo
I will scan the 124 elaborazione Scioneri tomorrow, but I only have a very bad quality pic.
A drawing of the Speedway can be found on page 79 of QR 174
Quote from: 75america on August 31, 2010, 02:44:17 PM
The Bertone can be found on page 140 of 'Bertone 90 Years 1912> 2002 Forma e progetto. Il Catalogo
A drawing of the Speedway can be found on page 79 of QR 174
Even if passing thorugh everything 2 or 3 times, I still miss obvious things... That's why is so interesting to share my work with you
before printing.
Add here Lada engined GIOM 3-2 sports prototype from Czechoslovakia.
I don´t know if you have this one:
Here's the Michelotti (that is not in the list...)
Quote from: 75america on August 31, 2010, 02:44:17 PM
A drawing of the Speedway can be found on page 79 of QR 174
(I'll take a good look at that issue ;) )
Preliminary photo's:
In your book I read about Ceccato and his work on both the 124 and 125, but it's not in your list...
The Michelotti 125 S can be found also in Quattroruote #171 and 172
Quote from: faksta on August 31, 2010, 02:54:13 PM
Add here Lada engined GIOM 3-2 sports prototype from Czechoslovakia.
Any further info about this one?
Quote from: João on August 31, 2010, 02:54:54 PM
I don´t know if you have this one:
Not this side view: thanks!
Quote from: 75america on August 31, 2010, 02:57:20 PM
Preliminary photo's:
I only need a larger image of the Scioneri. Now I've the other ones... I just missed them during my past searches trhough the book/magazine.
Quote from: Paul Jaray on August 31, 2010, 03:01:03 PM
In your book I read about Ceccato and his work on both the 124 and 125, but it's not in your list...
You are right: it seems I didn't made a great list... :-[ However I actually have something about Ceccato.
Here's another Michelotti:
Biraghi worked on some 124 Sport Coupe: from Milleruote Vol.3:
"Officina specializzata nella preparazione di motori per vetture da turismo e da competizione oltre che nella costruzione dal 1965 al 1972 di monoposto di formula junior 500 e f850. La sede è a Milano in via Legnone 32. Meccanici d'auto da tre generazioni, i Biraghi hanno iniziato a occuparsi di elaborazioni sportive nel 1960 preparando motori delle Fiat-Abarth 850 e 1000, di qualche Alfa Romeo GTA e Fiat 124 Sport. Con una vettura di quest'ultimo tipo il pilota Romano Zanini si aggiudica il challenge FISA del 1971. (...)"
Also from Czechoslovakia (don't know much about them):
- Spider VAZ by Leos Vyborny (c.1979)
- Spider Lada of Jan Janku (seemingly previously raced by Jaroslav Pacl with Moskvich engine, also seen it as Spider Duba and Spider PC B6/79) - rebuilt circa in 1977
OSI Cross Country :
Quote from: als15 on August 31, 2010, 03:03:09 PM
Quote from: faksta on August 31, 2010, 02:54:13 PM
Add here Lada engined GIOM 3-2 sports prototype from Czechoslovakia.
Any further info about this one?
Yes, check your PM. Although there they call it GIOM 3-1 (and I somehow tend to believe the link in PM more than my previous source).
The 2 eurostyle:
Josef Stary has raced a Lada engined spider (I have seen it as Stary J01) in 1976 in Czechoslovakia.
This Eurostyle is 125 too?
Poccardi :
USSR:
AMF 01 from 1980
Quote from: Paul Jaray on August 31, 2010, 02:55:50 PM
Here's the Michelotti (that is not in the list...)
Quote from: 75america on August 31, 2010, 02:44:17 PM
A drawing of the Speedway can be found on page 79 of QR 174
(I'll take a good look at that issue ;) )
Wow! :o Never seen this particular Michelotti 125 before! Cool! :thumbsup:
VAZ 2106 (VAZ 2103 1500cc unit bored to 1600cc) engined formula built by Alexander Iljin in 1980:
Estonia-Kongo from 1983 with VAZ 21011 1300cc engine. Has nothing to do with republic of Congo - Marts Kongo was the car's builder and driver.
MADI 0213 (VAZ 21011 engine) and MADI 052/053/054 (concerning -054, it is not certain that the car had this name) designed by Stanislav Hess-de-Calve.
Quote from: Paul Jaray on August 31, 2010, 03:27:20 PM
The 2 eurostyle:
The second is a Fiat 1000 Coupé not a 125, isn't it?
MADI has also built three Estonia based formulae, all called Estonia-MADI (they are now referred to as Estonia-MADI 01, 02 and 03).
Russian Wikipedia mentions that in Cuba there is an almost serial production of Lada 2101 based limousines, mostly used as taxis.
Quote from: faksta on August 31, 2010, 04:14:03 PM
Russian Wikipedia mentions that in Cuba there is an almost serial production of Lada 2101 based limousines, mostly used as taxis.
I want one :D :D
Cars by Vilnis Pirtnieks - Estonia-Pirtnieks 1 and 2 from 1980 and 1981.
Viktor Piatyh - VAZ 2106 engined formula.
Quote from: als15 on August 31, 2010, 12:33:10 PM
Poccardi - 124 Shopping, 125 Shopping, 124 coupé
I don't know if we are talking about the same car, but in QR168 p98 a Frua designed Poccardi Fiat 12
5 special coupé is present.
Indulis Rukuts - Estonia-Rukuts (from 1977, 1980 and 1981) and scratch built Rukuts 1 (1982) and Rukuts 2 (1984).
Raul Sarap: Estonia 18RS, 1976.
Quote from: als15 on August 31, 2010, 12:38:40 PM
Second, a list of models I know exist, but of whom any further info or picture is welcome.
Serra - Seat 1430 sedan, 1430 cabriolet, 124 spider (based on Seat sedan), 124 Sport Coupé 1800 & 1430 fastback
Do you have a copy of the book 'Pedro Serra carrocero' or shall I scan and post the pages that talk about the above mentioned cars?
SKEM 04A (1988) and Forcon 0591 (1991)
KhADI 29 (1990, VAZ 2106). Actually, the situation with KhADI Formula 1600 cars is quite complicated for me now, but I think that this is a picture of KhADI 29, although somewhere it is identified as -31.
KhADI has also built a number of other Formula 1600 cars, including Estonia 25.LPIA KhADI, KhADI-31 and KhADI-33, but I'm not sure they've had the 124 derived engines.
Faksta: your contribution is huge!!! ;D It'll take centuries to classify and order everything, but it'll be pleasant indeed.
Quote from: 75america on August 31, 2010, 04:35:41 PM
Do you have a copy of the book 'Pedro Serra carrocero' or shall I scan and post the pages that talk about the above mentioned cars?
Yes I have. Only some (color) pictures from other period sources will be welcome.
Quote from: faksta on August 31, 2010, 04:14:03 PM
Russian Wikipedia mentions that in Cuba there is an almost serial production of Lada 2101 based limousines, mostly used as taxis.
Any chance to get the name of the coachbuilder? Or are them just self-made?
I'm pleased to help :)
Here is one more car from KhADI - KhADI 15 from 1981 with VAZ 2103 engine, built to celebrate the institute's 50th anniversary. As far as I know, this was a record car, but it has not achieved any notable results.
Quote from: als15 on August 31, 2010, 04:48:35 PM
Only some (color) pictures from other period sources will be welcome.
Among the Metalex cars the ones I could find fith 124 derived engines are MTX2-01 and 2-03 sportscars (don't know about the 2-02) and some single seaters: MTX1-02, 1-03, 1-04 KIN, 1-06, 1-06B and 1-06cx.
Also the book by Michal Velebny features a number of other Lada powered Czechoslovak cars (but I feel like you may have this book, as you have listed all of these cars already).
Among the DDR cars there have also been:
SEG Spyder Lada sportscars (not only single seaters),
Gruener Spyder Lada
and formulae:
Krug (SEG III based)
Greika (SEG III based)
SEG-HT (SEG III based)
Freitag (HTS 77 based)
Weiss-Juppe (HTS 77 based)
HTS-MT (HTS 77 based)
Jungnickel (HTS 77 based)
MT (HTS 77 based)
SB 8 (HTS 77 based)
Reith (SRG MT 77 based)
WK 82 and 88 (SRG MT77 based)
Sticher M88 and M89 (SRG MT 77 based)
Juppe
Weiss
These come from Wolfgang Melenk's Meister des Sports, although they are mostly just mentioned with no further information.
By the way, I have seen a car called Patleich Lada Special, which raced in Formula Easter in 1974 by Albin Patleich from Czechoslovakia. Know nothing about it yet.
Quote from: faksta on August 31, 2010, 05:19:54 PM
By the way, I have seen a car called Patleich Lada Special, which raced in Formula Easter in 1974 by Albin Patleich from Czechoslovakia. Know nothing about it yet.
Like I did for Formula Monza and Formula 850, I will include a paragraph only about manufacturers about at list a very few info will be found... I think it would be a neverending work to list every Formula Easter car, even if I like them very much. Furthermore, I don't speak Russian, neither Czeck nor other eastern languages and can only trust on the (very poor) Google translations.
On the other hand, it will be a much more interesting research than for the previous books because this time the wide part is really new for me! :D
Quote from: faksta on August 31, 2010, 04:51:35 PM
I'm pleased to help :)
Here is one more car from KhADI - KhADI 15 from 1981 with VAZ 2103 engine, built to celebrate the institute's 50th anniversary. As far as I know, this was a record car, but it has not achieved any notable results.
Another pending puzzle on the scrap heap.... :-\
Yep, but I'll find another one ::)
Best quality I have on offer:
Picture of the Rocha Vintage
First series of Asa Monofaro
Asa Monofaro Características 1ª Serie
Comienzo Fabricación: 1983
Término de Fabricación: 1986
Origen: Italia
Denominación Original: Maserati Monofaro
Carrocería: Roadster sobre bastidor
Puertas: 2
Motor: Fiat 115 C 2038/20 (Fiat 125)
Ciclo: 4 tiempos, doble árbol de levas a la cabeza, válv a la cabeza
Ubicación: Delantero Longitudinal
Cilindrada (cm3): 1.608
Número de Cilindros: 4
Diámetro x Carrera (mm): 80 x 80
Relación de Compresión: 8,8:1
Potencia (CV): 100
Régimen (r.p.m): 6.200
Par Motor (mKg): 13,4
Régimen (r.p.m): 4.000
Sistema de Combustible: Carburador Weber 34 DCHC/Solex C34
Tracción: Trasera
Refrigeración: Agua (8,5 litros)
Combustible: Nafta súper
Velocidades: 4
Relación Final:
Capacidad Combustible (litros): 45
Peso Vacio (Kg):
Largo (mm):
Ancho (mm):
Alto (mm):
Distancia entre Ejes (mm): 2.480
Trocha Delantera (mm): 1.420
Trocha Trasera (mm): 1.420
Frenos (Delanteros / Traseros): Discos - Discos
Dirección: Piñón y cremallera
Suspensión Delantera: Independiente, paralelogramo deformable
Suspensión Trasera: eje rígido
Neumáticos:
Generador Eléctrico: Alternador 12V 40A
Detalle: Vehículo de producción especial
CANTIDAD: 6 Unidades
Apparently there was (is?) a Polish firm called 'Jamnik' that made a couple of Polski-Fiat 125p conversions. Here are some photos of some of their creations:
2 very nice Seat hearses. Unfortunately, no further info
Quote from: 75america on September 01, 2010, 01:10:55 PM
Apparently there was (is?) a Polish firm called 'Jamnik' that made a couple of Polski-Fiat 125p conversions. Here are some photos of some of their creations:
As far as I've read, "Jamnik" is not the maker, but the nickname of the stretched 125P. In Polish it means dachshund dog.
The cabriolet is an official Fiat (FSO) prototype, used for the Prime Minister in 1974 for the 30th Socialist Poland Republic anniversary. This appears in an official period FSO book, along with a limousine.
The other has been made later for professional purposes (touristic visits, hotel and business shuttle).
Only the station-wagon, IMO is a self-made conversion, by some unknown maker.
Quote from: als15 on September 01, 2010, 01:33:14 PM
As far as I've read, "Jamnik" is not the maker, but the nickname of the stretched 125P. In Polish it means dachshund dog.
Well my Polish is a little bit rustty :D
I guess that the Polski Fiat 1100 coupé and Ogar are official projects, but what about these 2:
Quote from: 75america on September 01, 2010, 02:05:14 PM
I guess that the Polski Fiat 1100 coupé and Ogar are official projects, but what about these 2:
Wow! A great Ford Capri! :lmao:
This two are pretty interesting! And never seen in Fiat/FSO official literature. Any further info about?
Quote from: als15 on September 01, 2010, 02:15:52 PM
This two are pretty interesting! And never seen in Fiat/FSO official literature. Any further info about?
PM sent. (but more info still needed)
Found three more names from Formula Easter.
One is quite an obscure - Gedeminas Neverauskas from Soviet Union has raced his privately built car (not sure he was a designer) with Lada 21011 engine in 1979.
The others are more interesting. Romanian team has entered the 1986 and 1988 races on cars called GT-86 and GT-88. There are pictures of them in the web, but they all look quite different... Also, despite my source for the results lists them as 21011 powered cars, there are mentions of that they could have been powered by Dacia engines.
Finally, Andras Gergely from Hungary has raced the car called Vasert G01 in 1988. Pictures also exist in the Internet.
Here is the Hungarian Vasert G01.
Also, Zoltan Stiller from Hungary has raced a car called RAF-s. Obviously, a relative of the Czechoslovak RAF, but I can't recall the 'S' model. I suppose, it is a modified car, and S could stand for Stiller. The only picture I know of this car is the shot of a driver in a cockpit...
P.S. I have sent you a PM about one more Hungarian car - Srof, but then found out that you have already listed it :bag:
Are you interested in all-terrain vehicles? There is a number of them, coming from Russia and Ukraine at least. Like this one - Ukrainian Litvina.
And what about Lada Niva? Its engine was an evolution of VAZ 2106, which was an evolution of 2103. It widens a range, as there have been some Niva versions made in France by Poch, in Czechoslovakia and even in Canada, which had no analogs on Russian market. Do you plan to go this deep or will you include the RWD cars, which were the most similar ones to the 124?
Already the Turkish Murat 124 mentioned?
Quote from: faksta on September 01, 2010, 04:14:24 PM
Are you interested in all-terrain vehicles? There is a number of them, coming from Russia and Ukraine at least. Like this one - Ukrainian Litvina.
Theoretically yes, at least if they maintain a significant part of the original Lada (like the second picture).
Quote from: faksta on September 01, 2010, 04:22:06 PM
And what about Lada Niva?
Not Niva: it's basically a different project than the 2101/2103 and not so much Fiat-related.
Quote from: Allemano on September 01, 2010, 04:28:14 PM
Already the Turkish Murat 124 mentioned?
As a base model yes, but in these book I only include third-part conversions (not standard Fiat-licensed models). If any Turkish conversion comes up, it's really welcome because I never found one...
Some guys from Turkish institute (Zonguldak Mesleki Egitim Merkizi) have made the 124 conversion...
QuoteBursa'yı sallayan 'Cabrio Murat'ı geçtiğimiz haftalarda tanıtmıştık. Bu kez Zonguldak Mesleki Eğitim Merkezi'nin öğrencileri, 'Hacı' Murat 124'ten yeni bir araba yaptılar...
I would better not translate this on my own, as I may do it wrong...
P.S. OK, Niva is excluded. As for the off roaders, this is probably the only one I've seen which has some 124 traits from the outside.
I have a large period colour pic of the Poccardi Coupé – you too?
Cheers from Poland:
Since 1971 Poland had its own formula - Formula Polonia for cars based on Fiat 125p mechanicals.
I suppose (only suppose, as I have a tiny piece of information about this serie) that most cars were the same chassis as Polish F.Easter bolides, but some cars were surely built for this formula. If I get it right, there was a car called Kaczorka ('Little Duck'?) with some pictures of it in the web and still existing. Also, Wieslaw Mikolajczyk has driven an unknown car, which I have never seen anywhere else.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLK8b_giz0g - and this one seems to be built recently by three students as a diploma project on some abandoned Formula Polonia car mechanicals (I have just made parallels with Russian and English languages when I listened to this story, so I may be competely wrong).
And apparently there was a Dutton related project in Poland... Again I can't understand everything that is written here...
And wasn't there an FSR Tarpan version with 125p engine - F233?
Formula Polonia is a black-hole for me... I'm trying to dig a little, but my understanding of Polish is quite unexsisting. I'll try with Google translator and ask help to some Polish friends...
I've also found these features like the one about Dutton. I'm going to OCR and Google them. :)
OK. Is Fiat 125 Vignale Samantha already featured?
Quote from: faksta on September 03, 2010, 08:09:10 AM
OK. Is Fiat 125 Vignale Samantha already featured?
Yes, this is easy... ;)
well, you never know ::)
NAMI 0290 Apelsin (rally car) - based on ZAZ mechanicals, but equipped with VAZ 2106 1600cc engine. Year 1988.
Apal Stalker (the soft top off roader) - based on Zhiguli chassis, but equipped with a VAZ 341 diesel. Qute recent car, from 2000s.
You have already mentioned VIS (Vazinterservis).
Also, if we speak about other non-racing conversions based on Zhiguli, you may add Eleks Polus (Элекс Полюс) (lenghtened 2104 and probably 2105 for taxi service and Eleks retro styled roadster based on 2106).
Oh, almost forgot this ;D
Quote from: faksta on September 03, 2010, 08:50:38 AM
Also, if we speak about other non-racing conversions based on Zhiguli, you may add Eleks Polus (Элекс Полюс) (lenghtened 2104 and probably 2105 for taxi service and Eleks retro styled roadster based on 2106).
Googling that name comes up a taxi service company. Is it also the maker of the cars? And have you any further info and picture?
???
Ah, yes. I think they are mostly dealing with selling cars and working as taxi service.
The red car is Eleks. It is a symbol of the company and was made in a single example as an advertising car. I have just found out that they have actually ordered it to Cardi (probably you could have heard about them before).
the lenghtened versions were made on VAZ on their behalf as well - I have dug out a little note about them.
So, probably Eleks Polus should better be excluded, as they were just customers for Cardi and VAZ. :bag:
So the lenghtened version are "official" factory-made VAZ models and not conversions...
But I don't know actually Cardi... unless it is the Italian truck converter. :-[ Ok... found on Google.
Apart from VIS, Zhiguli based cargo cars were made at Izh and called Izh 27175. They were a mix of their previous model - Izh 2717 and VAZ 2104. It was presented in *cough*2006*cough*.
Cardi is a Moscow company which made a number of quite good looking prototypes. I'll look whether they've had something Zhiguli based.
Cardi has indeed had a Zhiguli based project - I think it was their first car (c.1996), it was called Cardi Body and was based on 2106.
:applause:
Wow: we just got post #100 only in a couple of days!!! ;D
It seems an interesting topic and I'm going really crazy with all I'm discovering about these cars!
The contribution of the all of you is great!
Magistr 1600 from 1993. VAZ 2106 engine and 2107 front end. I have an article about it.
A couple of cars I've discovered but no pictures found.
The Sofia, made by Velizar Andreev in Bulgaria with the company Vilicar.
I found some (bad) pictures of the Sofia B but none of the first Sofia (A) sporscar and the Sofia C SUV.
Does anybody know them?
You can find this one on our own Autopuzzles!
(http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=9642.0;id=10974;image)
On 75america's pic was something missin' ;)
Quote from: Allemano on September 03, 2010, 12:19:59 PM
On 75america's pic was something missin' ;)
That's one of the biggest problems with Autopuzzles :-\
Period picture of Sofia (rear view) & promised scan of Metalex.
Not sure if it is 124/125 based, but because it was intended to be available with either a 1200 or 1600 cc engine...
The Baldelli Murena
(http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11586.0;id=14162;image)
see also: http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=0a4fd30bf77f06a69c6da3cfa2c87a47&topic=11586.0
Who made this Fiat 125 based ambulance? Mariani? Or Boneschi/Grazia/Fissore?
Also this one would be nice.... ;D
But I haven't enough info...
Quote from: als15 on September 07, 2010, 03:46:09 AM
Also this one would be nice.... ;D
But I haven't enough info...
Ouch...
Well, it's a VAZ 2106 rebuilt to be useful on Russian roads (we say sometimes that we have directions, not roads ::) ).
A nice Michelotti sketch of the Fiat 125 S
2 3 additional Serra period pics + a colour one:
based Seat 1430: the model is named "Cordoban" by Autotecnica, 1969:
(http://thumbnails31.imagebam.com/9788/f9247597879864.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/f9247597879864)
based Seat 1430: is a 1430 Coupè by Inducar (only this built):
(http://thumbnails28.imagebam.com/9788/eb3c4697879872.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/eb3c4697879872)
based Lada 2101, the model is called "Pangolina":
(http://thumbnails20.imagebam.com/9789/a9f2ae97880146.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/a9f2ae97880146)
(http://thumbnails10.imagebam.com/9789/44b5c397880176.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/44b5c397880176)
(http://thumbnails7.imagebam.com/9789/6cd81997880190.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/6cd81997880190)
(http://thumbnails22.imagebam.com/9789/c3248097880202.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/c3248097880202)
I've also one or two photos about the Fiat 125 OTS Scorpion (South African market)
Quote from: thorax on September 15, 2010, 06:40:10 PM
I've also one or two photos about the Fiat 125 OTS Scorpion (South African market)
Thanks!!!
I know the OTS Scorpion, but never got a photo. They would be very welcome! :D
ok !
(http://thumbnails25.imagebam.com/9796/70f4b897954584.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/70f4b897954584)
(http://thumbnails23.imagebam.com/9796/3287bc97954602.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/3287bc97954602)
(http://thumbnails11.imagebam.com/9796/02422e97954614.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/02422e97954614)
I've read that "El Campeador" had a Seat 1500 engine, not a 124/125 Fiat
Quote from: thorax on September 16, 2010, 11:41:17 AM
I've read that "El Campeador" had a Seat 1500 engine, not a 124/125 Fiat
Double-checked and you are right... ;) Thanks for the correction.
FAAS GPA made in argentina with 125 engine: sorry this is the only photo I have.
(http://thumbnails9.imagebam.com/9808/712f7498079200.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/712f7498079200)
VIDAL SP built in Argentina (1992-1994) with 125 engine: sorry for this photo too
(http://thumbnails26.imagebam.com/9809/d6d00198082030.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/d6d00198082030)
Polski 125 pick up
I used this as a daily driver from 1996 to 2004,The car was based on the 125 p estate. A few cars were imported to Norway, along with the ordinary saloon and estate cars. I resprayed it in black, and swapped the motor for a 132 1800 TC
(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq319/orypdal/Mine%20biler/olavspolski.jpg)
I'm not sure if you still need them Alessandro, but here are some Polish constructions based on Polski Fiat 125p. They're fairly known but I haven't seen them featured in this thread so here you go. I don't have pics for all of them currently, but they should be available in period magazines, if I search a bit.
1. PF 125p 4x4 – FSO made; PF 125p Kombi with a 4 wheel drive from Lada Niva; slightly flared wheelarches; engine 1.5, 75 hp; not known how many were produced, one source states a "two-figure number", but that's doubtful.
2. PF 125p Cabriolet prototype – FSO made; shown in 1974; a single pair of elongated doors; VAZ 2101 rear lights cluster; new dashboard; roof folded and stored behind the rear seats; strengthened chassis.
3. PF Dutton – floorpan, chassis and drivetrain of a PF 125p; made at Dutton and sent for evaluation to OBR SO (Ośrodek Badawczo-Rozwojowy Samochodów Osobowych – Passenger Cars Research & Development Centre, which was the FSO R&D department) in 1977; production was seriously considered in ZKS (Zakład Krótkich Serii – Short Series Workshop, a unit of FSO responsible for low volume cars) but expensive glassfibre body decided against it; the current whereabouts of this car are unknown.
4. Two camping prototypes: 1973 factory prototype based on PF 125p Pick-Up prototype "basic" version and 1980 Niewiadów prototype (biggest camping vehicles producer in Poland) based on standard PF 125p Pick-Up.
PF 125p 2.0 GTJ – made in mid-70s by FSO Sports Department (Dział Sportu FSO) with a 2-litre 132 hp engine from Fiat 132p; 185 km/h; in 1975 developed into the PF 125p 1.8 16V – engine from Fiat 124 Abarth, 195 hp, 230-240 km/h; body white and red; in 1977 fittd with Uniball suspension and low-profile tyres. A few street versions were made with the 2-litre engine, fitted with a body kit and 2000 GTJ badging.
PF 125p 3.2 – 170 hp; made in 1977 using an engine from FSO director's Fiat 130 that was crashed by his driver.
PF 125p 2000 GTI – made in 1978 using a 2-litre engine from Lancia Beta; it was the last factory racing 125p as FSO started producing (and racing) Polonez.
Two 1974 special editions with bigger engines from Fiat 132p, lowered suspension, alloy wheels, racing details (mirrors, steering wheel, rev counter, black stripe with white outline and "Monte Carlo 1600" or "Akropolis 1800" written on them):
PF 125p Monte Carlo – 1.6-litre, 98 hp, 170 km/h;
PF 125p Akropolis – 1.8-litre, 111 hp, 175 km/h;
Both cars commemorated class wins of factory racing cars in Monte Carlo and Acropolis rallies in 1972. The factory rally cars had 1.6 DOHC engines with 105 hp, black matte bonnets and navy blue stripes with white outline and "Polski Fiat 125 P" written on the stripes. Both the rally cars and the special editions were painted bahama yellow (most of them at least, as supply problems necessitated use of other pastel colours sometimes).
BTW: the 6-door Jamnik station wagons were also factory-made, just like the sedans and cabriolets. Oh, and those were indeed 6-door despite appearance, as the middle pair was smaller and didn't have outer handles.
A by-product of the station wagon Jamnik was a short 3-door car nicknamed Kaczorek (Little duck). The middle part of the car was cut out to create the 6-door version and the rest was welded back together. There is a photo of such a car, but I'm not sure if it was actually driveable.
If you have any questions about the Polish Fiats and their derivatives or need some translations, feel free to ask. I guess it will be easier for me to browse througho ld polish magazines or make some enquiries, being here in Poland. Or maybe not, after all the internet has made the whole world so small ;)
Dear ImpishGrin, the book will actually include only not-factory-made cars, but your info is nevertheless very very interesting. Thank you!
It's always difficult to say what is indeed factory-made and what not in a socialist business model, but I would say that for sure the Dutton and perhaps the Niewiadów camping-car can be considered projects born outside FSO. Do you agree?
Quote from: Arunas on August 31, 2010, 12:44:24 PM
Pictures of AR - MG TD replica from Spain,
Martare GT from Belgium
A period picture of Metalex that I've found in a magazine some time ago. Sorry for poor quality. If needed, I'll try to make a scan tomorrow.
A new sports automobile Metalex-203 with a new engine (in 1977 it had a forced up to 125 hp engine of VAZ 21011).
I believe the Martaré GT is actually Dutch.
Quote from: DeAutogids on December 05, 2010, 02:02:54 PM
I believe the Martaré GT is actually Dutch.
Yes, from Amsterdam.
More information about the 1430 INDUCAR:
Quote from: hondast on December 10, 2010, 10:25:06 AM
More information about the 1430 INDUCAR:
Muchas gracias! :bow:
(http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/367/11233913.th.jpg) (http://img210.imageshack.us/i/11233913.jpg/)
(http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/8516/80986423.th.jpg) (http://img530.imageshack.us/i/80986423.jpg/)
(http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4448/47269700.th.jpg) (http://img221.imageshack.us/i/47269700.jpg/)
(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/3930/65391771.th.jpg) (http://img59.imageshack.us/i/65391771.jpg/)
(http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1131/48175615.th.jpg) (http://img232.imageshack.us/i/48175615.jpg/)
(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/9289/88131579.th.jpg) (http://img51.imageshack.us/i/88131579.jpg/)
made by Bohse with Lada 2105 engine
Lada Kaliakra prototype 1982 by Dragon Motors with lada 2105 engine:
(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/3122/ladakaliakraprototipo19.jpg) (http://img132.imageshack.us/i/ladakaliakraprototipo19.jpg/)
Lada 2105 tuned by Lotus Engeneering in 2002:
(http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/6962/ladalotus2002.jpg) (http://img29.imageshack.us/i/ladalotus2002.jpg/)
Lada 2107 Long by Konela:
(http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/7942/lada2107longkonela.jpg) (http://img703.imageshack.us/i/lada2107longkonela.jpg/)
Good that you remembered Konela!
Great contributions! :D Thanks!
Any further info about the Kaliakra? ???
We've had Kaliakra (as well as its twin called Laura) as a puzzle here somewhere. They were both handbuilt, I can look for some further info. It was never called Lada Kaliakra though.
In the meantime, Zastava have assembled VAZ cars for some time, and they have also made a modification which is described in the web as 'Lada Sanitet'. Bottom right on this photo:
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/9297/afbeelding870p.jpg (http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/9297/afbeelding870p.jpg)
Some sources state that they were just 'made in Serbia and Montenegro', probably meaning that it was not Zastava product. I honestly don't know.
Thanks for the Kaliakra: I just forgotten it...
I have some of those catalogues and digging on the Internet and trying to understand them with my non-existant knowledge of Serbian language I understood that they are made by a special department of Zastava, that assembled Ladas under license. Saying they are made in Serbia is correct, because it's after the war.
However, I'll further investigate this topic... :P
(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/3227/1976vaz2103byporsche.jpg) (http://img220.imageshack.us/i/1976vaz2103byporsche.jpg/)
VAZ 2103 by Porsche design
Quote from: thorax on December 14, 2010, 04:30:14 PM
VAZ 2103 by Porsche design
If I'm not wrong, this should have been a restyiling proposal for Lada itself, not a commercial product. Isn't it?
yes, it was only a proposal like these:
(http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/3120/proto1986.jpg) (http://img338.imageshack.us/i/proto1986.jpg/)
vaz 2107 restyling
(http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/9739/vaz2106touristsperiment.jpg) (http://img809.imageshack.us/i/vaz2106touristsperiment.jpg/)
Vaz 2106 Tourist
(http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/7073/prototipo1976.jpg) (http://img697.imageshack.us/i/prototipo1976.jpg/)
lada 2105 prototype 1976
(http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7073/prototipo1976.jpg) (http://img258.imageshack.us/i/prototipo1976.jpg/)
lada 2103 station wagon
good evening new inforum but not new in this fill.I have made some special serie for Lada Factory:
Lada 2105 Turbo prototipo
Lada 1300 Sport Sold belguim,nderland,Germany,France special version with Sport kit (2 Weber 40 DCOE)
Lada NIVA DREAM Wide body nive Belguim ,Nederland
Lada 1600 Sport
now "abarth works museum" 150 cars many special 124 and 125
Fiat 125 S special Abarth Ex Paul Frere group 2 car on road version in our museum
www.abarth-gmr.be
www.forum.abarth-gmr.be
nice collection:
Fiat 125
Fiat 125 S
Fiat 124 break
Fiat 124 S
Fiat 124 Abarth
Fiat 124 spider
Fiat Polonez 125p1500
Polski Fiat 125p 1600
Polski Fiat 125p Kombi
Polski Fiat 125p Pick up
Lada 1600 sport
Lada 1500 S
Lada 2105
Polski Fiat 1600 (125 )
Polski Fiat 125p 1800
Lada 1500 stationcar
mayby I have missing one..... have a look and free
Here´s a scan of the Vignale 124 Eveline (1968):
And here you have two scans of Fiat 125 specials:
the Vignale/Fiat 125 Samantha and of the Bertone Fiat 125 Executive, both from 1968
Do you already have this one?
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=15848.0
Quote from: Wendax on March 13, 2011, 07:33:37 AM
Do you already have this one?
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=15848.0
No! This is a news for me! :D
Do you have any further information about this car? Do you know who made it, when and where?
Many thanks!
Quote from: als15 on March 13, 2011, 09:26:30 AM
Do you have any further information about this car? Do you know who made it, when and where?
Unfortunately not, I just found it by chance looking for something else.
Abarth-Landi:
Quote from: als15 on August 31, 2010, 12:38:40 PM
Second, a list of models I know exist, but of whom any further info or picture is welcome.
Italy
Lucangeli
Quote from: Paul Jaray on August 31, 2010, 01:38:47 PM
About Antonucci, on Milleruote there are just 9 lines, plus a pic of the Ford-engined Formula3.
Here's the text:
"ANTONUCCI (F.lli) - Officina Triestina specializzata nella trasformazione di vetture di serie, in particolare Fiat e Lancia. Nel 1959 costruisce alcune monoposto di formula Junior e in seguito di formula 3. Nel 1972 progetta un prototipo da Rally che puo essere equipaggiato con motori Fiat 125 o 132 e con cambio Colotti. L'indirizzo dell'officina Antonucci è: via Villan De Bacchino 2, Trieste."
I see you got a new wonderful book. ;)
Yes, it's a good source of information and for sure I'll consdier it in my bibliography.
Thanks.
Quote from: als15 on June 13, 2011, 06:52:23 AM
I see you got a new wonderful book. ;)
Yes, it's a good source of information and for sure I'll consdier it in my bibliography.
Now is the moment to buy the book because it is on sale (-42,5%).
A different view of the Serra 1430 coupé:
Definitely a bible for sports racing cars of that era.
Wonderful book that you should buy now as it'll become hard to find in the future at a reasonable price.
where can whe buy it ?
Quote from: guy on June 13, 2011, 07:26:10 AM
where can whe buy it ?
You can go to Rétromoteur in Ciney today. Gilena still had one copy when I left yesterday evening. (they ask the standard 85 Euro, but when you mention that it only costs 49 € at the Libreria dell'automobile, they will sell it to you for the same price.)
You can buy it also directly through the Libreria dell'automobile
I found some old photos back from the models that I have made for several Lada importers
Quote from: als15 on June 13, 2011, 06:52:23 AM
I see you got a new wonderful book. ;)
What book is that, if not a secret? I like what I see on these shots :)
its not from a book but you find more in our site www.abarth-gmr.be
Also I tray to find the wingextentionkit from the first Lada 1500 and 21011 .Can you help
Quote from: faksta on June 13, 2011, 09:09:06 AM
Quote from: als15 on June 13, 2011, 06:52:23 AM
I see you got a new wonderful book. ;)
What book is that, if not a secret? I like what I see on these shots :)
The book we are referring to is "Sport & Prototipi Italiani. 1958 - 1977", by A. Rastrelli, Legenda publishing.
Definitely a masterpiece on Italian sporstscar story.
Very interesting photos about Lada, Guy! do you have a bigger one about the 2101?
Quote from: guy on June 13, 2011, 09:19:00 AM
its not from a book but you find more in our site www.abarth-gmr.be
Also I tray to find the wingextentionkit from the first Lada 1500 and 21011 .Can you help
Thank you. I was referring to the book mentioned above though, to be honest :)
That widebody Niva kit. Was it made in Belgium? Looks great, and I have never seen any before.
Quote from: als15 on June 13, 2011, 09:29:59 AM
The book we are referring to is "Sport & Prototipi Italiani. 1958 - 1977", by A. Rastrelli, Legenda publishing.
Definitely a masterpiece on Italian sporstscar story.
Thanks! I've been thinking about buying one about a year ago, but somehow did not. Will need to fix that :)
I made this kit for the Belguim importer( was direct connected from Russia) and sold them via dealer net work.Was also on Brussels Expo .
Ps ,looking for this extention kit
Quote from: als15 on August 31, 2010, 12:33:10 PM
Savio - 124 coupé (1968, only: older pictures missed!!!)
From Fornai: 1967 Fiat 124 by Savio:
Quote from: guy on June 13, 2011, 01:20:40 PM
I made this kit for the Belguim importer( was direct connected from Russia) and sold them via dealer net work.Was also on Brussels Expo .
Ps ,looking for this extention kit
Ah, you were the manufacturer of these kits?
The car you have posted was prepared in 1977 by Stasys Brundza from Lithuania, who has established VFTS (Vilnius Fabrik Tuning Sport) a year after. It was a rally car with 1.6 engine. Driven by Brundza and Anatoliy Brum at 1977 Acropolis rally (DNF) and other rallies after that. It currently belongs to Brundza's collection as far as I know.
There are some kits mimicking VFTS cars, but I have seen only copies of the later ones, mostly for VAZ 2105.
Another (bad) pic of the 1967 version:
Madueno:
(http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5486.0;attach=3962;image)
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=5486.0 (http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=5486.0)
Not sure if these are up yet:
Great!
Any further info about the Agata?
Agata was Niva based...
the green prototype above is a Fso not a Fiat ;)
Quote from: als15 on August 31, 2010, 12:33:10 PM
Utility cars
Fissore - 125 station-wagon, ambulance and hearse
Did Fissore made 2 different 125 'Familiare' cars?
(http://thumbnails28.imagebam.com/14243/1cf13d142427274.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/1cf13d142427274)
(http://thumbnails47.imagebam.com/14243/8251eb142427287.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/8251eb142427287)
Quote from: 75america on July 27, 2011, 07:34:49 AM
Did Fissore made 2 different 125 'Familiare' cars?
Yes, I think so: the shortest one was unveiled at 1967 Turin Show and I also have a couple of photos spotted in Geneva (I believe 1968).
Then I've 2 photos of the longest one in Turin and I believe it being the 1968 edition.
In fact, all are regular 125 (not Special), so they are supposed to be converted before Turin 1968, when the 125 Special was launched.
Quote from: als15 on September 07, 2011, 03:49:24 PM
Quote from: 75america on July 27, 2011, 07:34:49 AM
Did Fissore made 2 different 125 'Familiare' cars?
Yes, I think so: the shortest one was unveiled at 1967 Turin Show and I also have a couple of photos spotted in Geneva (I believe 1968).
Then I've 2 photos of the longest one in Turin and I believe it being the 1968 edition.
In fact, all are regular 125 (not Special), so they are supposed to be converted before Turin 1968, when the 125 Special was launched.
Are you sure it is not the opposite way around?
The long one (the lower picture in my reply #176) Turin '67 and the short one (the upper picture in my reply #176) Turin '68?
(See 4R issue #143 p177 and #156 p114)
do You know this one?
Quote from: 75america on September 11, 2011, 12:24:25 PM
Are you sure it is not the opposite way around?
The long one (the lower picture in my reply #176) Turin '67 and the short one (the upper picture in my reply #176) Turin '68?
(See 4R issue #143 p177 and #156 p114)
Double-checked: you are right! Many thanks to have avoided me making this mistake. :)
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Quote from: del78 on October 30, 2011, 12:21:37 PM
do You know this one?
Never seen! ???
The 500 in background would suggests Italian. Do you know anything more about this odd 124?
it is not 124 but Fiat 125p from PL
this photo was taken at some racing event in Poland in eighties
this is homemade racing car
more details is possible but I have to find some old magazine
I should be very tired... :-[ I confused a 126 with a 500 and a 125p with a 124... :-[ Hard to say again I'm a Fiat specialist... :-[
However, any possible additional information is welcome!
There have been numerous similar prototypes built from 124 and 125 Fiats and their derivates in Eastern Europe in eighties, but I know almost nothing about them. They were used mostly in hillclimbs, as far as I can judge. I'll try to find some of them.
By the way, have we mentioned Sappo-Lada from GDR - ZAZ 968 with 1.5 Lada engine in the middle?
Quote from: als15 on October 30, 2011, 05:51:59 PM
I should be very tired... :-[ I confused a 126 with a 500 and a 125p with a 124... :-[ Hard to say again I'm a Fiat specialist... :-[
However, any possible additional information is welcome!
i will try to dig something out
Quote from: faksta on October 31, 2011, 02:37:55 AM
By the way, have we mentioned Sappo-Lada from GDR - ZAZ 968 with 1.5 Lada engine in the middle?
Yes, but the problem is that I list cars in my books by manufacturer name. And I've not been able to understand who made the Sappo-Lada. As you of course know, in this case "Sappo" is not the car-maker, but the nickname of Zaporozhets...
Wolfgang Kuether built it, as far as I know. The one who has built Melkus based F.Easter.
Quote from: faksta on October 31, 2011, 05:12:04 AM
Wolfgang Kuether built it, as far as I know. The one who has built Melkus based F.Easter.
Great! One more!
I don't remember whether I have told you about Lada rally cars before, those made by VFTS/EVA, VIHUR, LSGA and MTX at least. Also, 1986 Tavria ERF-Mobile - Gr.B prototype with VAZ 2106 engine. Also NAMI 0290 Apelsin. Pics of these later.
Poch from France have also entered a Lada in Dakar rally (at least that car carried Poch ads on its body). 1983 - Jacques Potherat / Marc Billoret. The car has been modified a little, major upgrade being seemingly rollcage.
One of the most mysterious cars for me among those which were mentioned already. Took part in 1987 Dakar rally (Lacroix - Soalhat driver lineup). Retired during the first stage. Probably related to Poch as well, I just don't know.
Hungarian Volan has made some cars. I've heard of quite usual rally Ladas, VFTS-like, from them, as well as of some 'Lada Turbo' raced at hillclimbs and seen a picture of a seemingly mid-engined 2101 for hillclimbing... The problem is that Volan, as far as I'm aware, was a group of factories, so it is hard for me to establish which exact factory was responsible for one car or another.
VIHUR from USSR (current Estonia)
There have apparently been two versions of VIHUR prepared 2101 and a 2105. The latter seems very 'production' on photos, don't know what was it like in terms of technics. Here's a picture of the first version of 2101.
Notably, VIHUR was also building racing motorcycles.
This one is a blank spot. All I know is that it is a hillclimb car from Bulgaria.
Quote from: faksta on October 31, 2011, 09:59:52 AM
I don't remember whether I have told you about Lada rally cars before, those made by VFTS/EVA, VIHUR, LSGA and MTX at least. Also, 1986 Tavria ERF-Mobile - Gr.B prototype with VAZ 2106 engine. Also NAMI 0290 Apelsin. Pics of these later.
Poch from France have also entered a Lada in Dakar rally (at least that car carried Poch ads on its body). 1983 - Jacques Potherat / Marc Billoret. The car has been modified a little, major upgrade being seemingly rollcage.
We spoke a little about these cars. I got some info about VFTS, MTX and NAMI.
On the other hand, I didn't know VIHUR and Volan (thanks for the pictures) and still I've no info about LSGA and Tavria.
LSGA (Laboratory for Sports and Racing Cars) is probably only partly fitting, as it was a VAZ child. Can't say it was a VAZ sports department, as there is only one car that is mentioned in relation to LSGA I could find - Lada 2105 LSGA, while before and after there were other cars by VAZ related enterprises (VAZ structure is really a complete mess for me). It was a 2105 with 2-door body, McPhersons in both front and rear, 16-valve 1730cc engine (highly modified 2106 unit) capable of 150hp, built around 1984. Info is scarce, photos - even more. Have not survived.
Tavria ERF-Mobile was a rally prototype built around tube frame and VAZ 2106 engine with ZAZ Tavria-ish body. It was designed in current Estonia in 1986 at sports & technical club of ERF (Estreklamfilm - at work those guys produced TV ads and so on...) by the club's director - Kalle Keel of TARK (Estonia formulae) fame. It was a common practice in USSR that factories and various collectives had their sports sections (in everyday life many Soviet racing drivers drove taxis, ambulances, even army trucks), so no wonder that movie making guys have eventually come up with a car :) 2106 engine of 1568cc, 140hp, behind the driver. Independent suspension, weight around 800kg.
I've also seen a picture of ERF rally team with three 2101 Ladas (those were hardly of their own preparation).
ERF-Mobile was said to be seen at some auto show in Tartu in 2002 and is probaby in private collection now (no proof).
Not the right place, I know, but I wonder if you knew of this:
great !
Quote from: Paul Jaray on November 15, 2011, 08:05:31 AM
Not the right place, I know, but I wonder if you knew of this:
Quote from: thorax on November 18, 2011, 03:49:29 AM
great !
Definitely!
In a mid-term plan, we are also going to publish a revised edition of my old "Fiat Topolino fuoriserie". This is a great start to update it!
That's a good news.
Here's the article and another Maier's creation
Ok, let's open, even if in large advance, a new topic about the Topolino.
Apart from the possibility of publishing a new book, I think it can worth at all.
One more, I think it wasn't posted yet. It's an Argentinian 125 Multicarga but converted to a "cabina doble" or "crew cab" by an unknown Urugyauan company.
I've found a photo in a old magazine (Quattoruote): the car behind the Fiat 850 Caprera is a 124 made by the same coachbuilder.
I'll post next days
Can you just tell me which issue of Quattroruote?
sorry Alessandro: is Ruoteclassiche # 26
Ok, so a copy is welcome, because I have it isomewhere difficult to be found in my garage... ;)
hidden by the 850:
(http://thumbnails46.imagebam.com/16891/1fe701168905317.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/1fe701168905317)
Quote from: faksta on August 31, 2010, 04:14:03 PM
Russian Wikipedia mentions that in Cuba there is an almost serial production of Lada 2101 based limousines, mostly used as taxis.
I don't know if this is from Cuba, but it has a different doors solution (two front doors)...
MPC
This one has used the back doors that was left from the car above!
(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq319/orypdal/biler%20og%20bilder/Lada_stretched.jpg)
Quote from: olavr on February 10, 2012, 02:29:22 AM
This one has used the back doors that was left from the car above!
:lmao:
From the recently published book 'Giannini A. & D. Attilio & Domenico Storia di una grande passione':
... La OTAS nel 1968 preparò con successo la Fiat 124 Spyder di Montezemolo-Rattazzi per il Rally di Sanremo, classificatisi primi di categoria e sesti assoluti....
Gerion by Carrocerias Vert:
Amazing!
Can you please e-mail me additional info (if you have)?
;D
Hi all, found this forum while searching for some info on this car I saw in Montenegro. Hope you'll like it.
seems to be a stretched Lada 2104
Quote from: thorax on November 21, 2013, 10:24:08 AM
seems to be a stretched Lada 2104
Better not put too heavy a load right at the back otherwise the front wheels would lift off the ground!
I think it's been cobbled together by someone lacking a basic grasp of physics...
Quote from: Carnut on November 22, 2013, 05:27:32 AM
Quote from: thorax on November 21, 2013, 10:24:08 AM
seems to be a stretched Lada 2104
Better not put too heavy a load right at the back otherwise the front wheels would lift off the ground!
I think it's been cobbled together by someone lacking a basic grasp of physics...
But actualy it's an original factory version... even if it doesn't ensure that the engineering quality is so better than a hand-made conversion...
Hi, nice to meet you my name is Francesco Antoncucci and I am the nephew of Attilio Antonucci, builder of the prototype with fiat 125 engine and Colotti T46 gearbox built in 1968. My father and I are looking for news on this car, do you know where we can find information or contact someone to find the current owner of the car?
Thank you very much!
Francesco Antonucci, Trieste
Hello Francesco. Nice to hear from you.
One of our Editors has an absolutely vast knowledge of this type of car.
If you email him directly he might well be able to help you:
Francesco Maurizi <famoltocaldo@hotmail.it>
His name on the site is Paul Jaray and he posted in the puzzle featuring your car which was posted on our site many years ago, here:
https://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/2010-38/puzzle-879-solved!-ariel-antonucci-proto-1-8-litre/msg29407/#msg29407