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The History Of History
« on: March 21, 2010, 07:33:20 AM »
Here in America, which everyone knows is the greatest nation that ever was or ever will be, we like to make fun of other countries who re-write their histories to accord to political calculations. We particularly like to ridicule Russia for glossing over the atrocities of the Stalin Era. Those damn Ruskies don't even know what they don't know, thanks to the master manipulators in the Kremlin.  >:(

But this week, the Texas Bored of Education has approved a new history textbook for its 4.7 million students which seems guaranteed to ensure that future Texans are as ignorant of history as the citizens of the former USSR are. Texas is the tale that wags the dog in American education. Because it buys so many books, the cost of the Texasized texts is less than other versions. Which means that cash strapped school districts throughout the country buy the Texas Edition over more costly alternatives.

Some of you may not know this, but Texas gave us George W. Bush, a man so educated and literate that he barely left the United States before becoming President and once said in amazement to the head of a foreign country while visiting "I see you have black people here too!" Yup, that's the kind of education all good Texans need to succeed in the world.

Here's a piece in the Washington Post about this issue with links to various resources on the issue. One thing that may not be clear to everyone here at AP is that the new books delete any mention of Thomas Jefferson, one of the architects of the US Constitution who was a strong advocate for limiting the power of the central government. Revisionist history in the making.

I have included a link to the story below, in case you want to go to the Post article and follow the hyperlinks to other resources contained in it.

Historians speak out against proposed Texas textbook changes

   

By Michael Birnbaum
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, March 18, 2010

Historians on Tuesday criticized proposed revisions to the Texas social studies curriculum, saying that many of the changes are historically inaccurate and that they would affect textbooks and classrooms far beyond the state's borders.

The changes, which were preliminarily approved last week by the Texas board of education and are expected to be given final approval in May, will reach deeply into Texas history classrooms, defining what textbooks must include and what teachers must cover. The curriculum plays down the role of Thomas Jefferson among the founding fathers, questions the separation of church and state, and claims that the U.S. government was infiltrated by Communists during the Cold War.

Because the Texas textbook market is so large, books assigned to the state's 4.7 million students often rocket to the top of the market, decreasing costs for other school districts and leading them to buy the same materials.

"The books that are altered to fit the standards become the bestselling books, and therefore within the next two years they'll end up in other classrooms," said Fritz Fischer, chairman of the National Council for History Education, a group devoted to history teaching at the pre-college level. "It's not a partisan issue, it's a good history issue."

Each subject in Texas's curriculum is revised every 10 years, and the basic social studies framework was introduced by a panel of teachers last year. But the elected state board of education, which is comprised of 10 Republicans and five Democrats, has made more than 100 amendments to the curriculum since January.

Discussions ranged from whether President Reagan should get more attention (yes), whether hip-hop should be included as part of lessons on American culture (no), and whether President of the Confederacy Jefferson Davis's inaugural address should be studied alongside Abraham Lincoln's (yes).

Of particular contention was the requirement that lessons on McCarthyism note that "the later release of the Venona papers confirmed suspicions of communist infiltration in U.S. government."

The Venona papers document communication between the Soviet Union and its spies. Historians dispute the extent to which transcripts show Soviet involvement in American government.

Also contentious were changes that asserted Christian faith of the founding fathers. Historians say the founding fathers had a variety of approaches to religion and faith; some, like Jefferson, were quite secular.

Some textbook authors expressed discomfort with the state board's changes, and it is unclear how readily historians will go along with some of the proposals.

"I'm made uncomfortable by mandates of this kind for sure," said Paul S. Boyer, emeritus professor at University of Wisconsin-Madison and the author of several of the most popular U.S. history textbooks, including some that are on the approved list in Texas.

Boyer said he had not fully reviewed the Texas curriculum and did not know how he would respond to it. But he added that in theory, changes in his text could be required that would make him uncomfortable endorsing his own book.

Texas school districts are able to buy books that the state board rejects but designates as containing at least half the required curriculum -- but they'll have to use their own money to do so. Almost all currently use state funds to buy textbooks off the approved list, said Suzanne Marchman, a spokeswoman for the Texas Education Agency.

One publisher said Tuesday that changes in technology, including the introduction of online components, make it easier and cheaper to tailor textbooks to specific states and requirements, and downplayed the impact that Texas's decisions would have on the rest of the country.

"We now have the ability to deliver completely customized content" to different states, said Joseph Blumenfeld, spokesman for Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, one of three major publishers that supply Texas with most of its social studies textbooks.

But some historians weren't so certain. Fischer, who is a historian at University of Northern Colorado, noted that first-year teachers fall back on what's most readily available to them -- their textbooks.

"Teachers have a lot to do and a lot on their plate, and if there's a nice big textbook that the kids have been taking home, they'll use it," he said.


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Re: The History Of History
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2010, 08:29:54 AM »
Here in America, which everyone knows is the greatest nation that ever was or ever will be, we like to make fun of other countries who re-write their histories to accord to political calculations. We particularly like to ridicule Russia for glossing over the atrocities of the Stalin Era. Those damn Ruskies don't even know what they don't know, thanks to the master manipulators in the Kremlin. >:(

I'd suggest you to change 'greatest' with 'youngest'...unless you are talking of size... ;)


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Re: The History Of History
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2010, 09:03:55 AM »
The curriculum plays down the role of Thomas Jefferson among the founding fathers - a different interpretation, perhaps, but is it wrong?

...questions the separation of church and state... as do I. There is no such thing in the constitution or its amendments. As the Constitution was being constructed, there was a fear by some that the wording adopted (Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof) might result in the sort silly interpretation we live with today.

...and claims that the U.S. government was infiltrated by Communists during the Cold War. Again, where's the error?
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Re: The History Of History
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2010, 09:05:46 AM »
I'd suggest you to change 'greatest' with 'youngest'...unless you are talking of size... ;)

Nope - we're number 3
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Re: The History Of History
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2010, 09:22:47 AM »
Probably I misread the meaning of those words and I did not get the irony...

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Re: The History Of History
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2010, 10:03:27 AM »
The curriculum plays down the role of Thomas Jefferson among the founding fathers - a different interpretation, perhaps, but is it wrong?

Consent of the governed.  A society based on personal and property rights.  Natural law.  These are the themes that this country were founded.  I haven't seen the text books.  I don't know what they purport to say.  If, in any way, these themes are watered down, then we can safely assume that Leviathan has continued its encroachment.

I personally would not be surprised to see Jefferson's role watered down by either side of the duopolies coin.
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Re: The History Of History
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2010, 10:33:28 AM »
Leviathan!? Goddamighty!!! I think some off topic rabbits are badly needed in this area. Cheer up, guys!



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Re: The History Of History
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2010, 10:43:05 AM »
I think some off topic rabbits are badly needed in this area. Cheer up, guys!

I am happy to be having the conversation and in having you be a part of it.

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Re: The History Of History
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2010, 10:52:10 AM »
Well, I wouldn't like to live in Texas (or Kansas for that matter) and have kids going to school there. Very nice places nevertheless.
Otherwise, I'm just here to bring a little comic relief you know.

More seriously, Charlie and others: I can't really take part in a conversation about such things, because:
-  I don't live in your country, even if I know its history and culture quite well, and I don't want to base what I'd say on hearsay. I cannot think or even begin to think the way you do (and I confess that it looks like a strange paranoia to us), because we don't pay attention to the same things here.
- All I could do would be to write a list of what I like, even love, or dislike and hate about the US of A. What are my concerns about what the world is becoming (the world: I don't mean my own country specially, and i think everyone should do the same). On some points, I'm sure that we could agree. On others we might find ourselves enemies.

But, as I wrote before, I don't think that Autopuzzles is the right place to do it.
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Re: The History Of History
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2010, 11:12:27 AM »
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I'm just here to bring a little comic relief you know.

Me, too!    :P   I apologize to PJ. Sometimes my sense of humor does not translate well across the internet. But if you ask any random American, that is probably what they will tell you. I do not subscribe to the theory myself, as it promotes the idea of "American exceptionalism", which utter nonsense. It also tends to belittle and/or demean citizens of other countries, which I think is a really poor idea, especially since we are all passengers aboard the same spaceship.   :idea:

Glad to get input from others on this. The proper role of government is a conversation people have been having ever since there were two or more people.   ;)

For myself, who finds history so vital to understanding where we are today and how we got there, I object to people mucking about with it, especially for short term political gain. History, by definition, is supposed to be a long term enterprise. Revising it every ten years is ludicrous, as critical historical judgments have just begun to emerge after such a short interval following events.
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Re: The History Of History
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2010, 11:20:10 AM »
No need to apologize, I'm not a 'damn Rusky'... I found your intro a bit ...caterpillaring!
(I know that word does not exist, but it's damn too good to give you the idea... ;D )

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Re: The History Of History
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2010, 01:53:11 PM »
Well, its a word now!!!    ;D
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Re: The History Of History
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2010, 04:05:52 AM »
For myself, who finds history so vital to understanding where we are today and how we got there, I object to people mucking about with it, especially for short term political gain. History, by definition, is supposed to be a long term enterprise.

If all the textbooks in Texas (or any other state) had heretofore been pristine and "correct", and there had never been any revising of history to fit the mood of the day, I'd be on-board with that. And since that is NOT the case, I refuse to chime in on the "sky is falling" chant. The sky, it has already fell.
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Re: The History Of History
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2010, 07:10:15 AM »
Should we run and tell the king?   ;D

Much as I understand your position, I cannot merely accept that yet another transmogrification of history is occurring and go blithely about my business. While I have no power to alter the texts in Texas, I do have the power to point out what is happening so that others may be aware and take whatever action they deem necessary to ensure their offspring have alternative texts available to them.

I'm sure if one were to put history textbooks from the US and Russia dating to the 1950's side by side, one would find vastly different accounts of what transpired in the world until that point. Same with texts from France or Germany or Japan. Still, history is an on going struggle to present as full and as accurate a picture as possible of the foibles and failings of mankind to that point. We must not let ourselves be deterred from that mission.

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Re: The History Of History
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2010, 07:24:47 AM »
We must not let ourselves be deterred from that mission.

I'm not. However, I don't expect the Feds, the NEA or any State Board of Education to "handle it" for me.
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Re: The History Of History
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2010, 10:14:23 AM »
Ah, now I get your drift!   :idea:

I was not suggesting any such thing. At least not intentionally. I would be curious to hear from some of the outside the US members as to how history instruction is handled in their country. For instance, Paul Jaray could tell us how Italian textbooks deal with Musolini and faksta could enlighten us as to what Russian school kids learn about Chechnya and Afghanistan.

One thing American and Russian history students will be able to agree on in the future is that Afghanistan is a Sanskrit word which correctly translated means DON'T GO THERE!    :o :disbelief:  :doh:
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Re: The History Of History
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2010, 06:52:45 AM »
I just returned from our local grocery where, as I was about to enter the store, I was greeted by two young women (probably in their early 20s) who asked me if I wanted “to save the children.”  I answered “yes, I would love to.  So what is your plan for shutting down the government schools?”  They looked at me in total bewilderment, with one asking “why would we do that?”  My response: “when you get serious about really wanting to save the children, give me a call.”
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