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The Role of Government
« on: April 29, 2006, 11:26:35 AM »
What is the purpose of government?  What is it's role?   These fundamental questions are begging a serious discussion in American society today.  It would appear that there is much discord in what many people within our society feel the role of government should be.

With these thoughts in mind I ask the following question:

How do you envision the role of government in the society you would like to live in?

I hope we can get some participants in this thread.  I personally feel it is much more conducive to have this type of conversation than another partisan sling fest.
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Re: The Role of Government
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2006, 10:48:42 AM »
The question that we too often fail to confront is whether the organizational systems we employ shall ever take priority over our individual interests
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Re: The Role of Government
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2007, 10:32:55 AM »
Wow...hot topic!

I would like to live in one that existed within the confines of the US Constitution (as written, not interpreted to allow the government to do whatever they want)
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Re: The Role of Government
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2007, 06:08:23 PM »
I encourage all to read "Ain't Nobody's Business If I Do: The Absurdity of Consensual Crimes In Our Free Society" by Peter McWilliams. Another excellent book is "Who Will Tell The People?" by William Greider.

McWilliams makes the case that the role of the federal government is to do what the constitution empowers it to do - and no more. His interpretation would be a libertarian's dream.

The writers of the Constitution were students of the abuse of power. They sought to restrain the accretion of power in the hands of the federal government, but over the past 200+ years, our government has become the beneficiary of what the Chinese call the "Death of a Thousand Cuts." Slowly but surely, the government has arrogated unto itself so much power that it now raids facilities in California that dispense marijuana in accordance with California law but  contrary to federal law. In other words, the will of the people is now totally abrogated and the part of the Constitution that says "those powers not specifically delegated herein are reserved to the states or the people" (that's from memory - don't get your knickers in a twist if that is not an exact quote) has been effectively repealed without the requisite amendment.

The Bush Maladministration has made it abundantly clear just how critical the checks and balances written in to the Constitution are - and what irremdiable harm results of necessity results from the short circuiting of those same checks and balances.
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Re: The Role of Government
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2007, 12:22:24 PM »
I've actually been giving this quite a bit of thought overnight. At my age, thoughtful moments tend to pass quickly, so I'd better write this down before my dementia kicks in.

Imagine the life is like a game of football. The role of government is to establish where the end zones and sidelines are - the parameters of the field of play as it were. Within those parameters, there are certain rules of play. You are not allowed to gouge out the eyes of opponents or break their arms, for instance. Nor are you allowed to unduly impede their progress.

The referees ARE the government on the field. They are supposed to be unbiased and impartial, giving every player an equal chance to succeed within the rules.

The problem comes when some of the wealthier players decide to influence the referees with gifts of money, trips to exotic locations, dalliances with willing ladies, or certain recreational drugs to enhance their mental state.  Suddenly, the notion of neutrality is violated, so that SOME of the players are allowed to take gross liberties with the rules without being penalized. The other players soon find themselves on the short end of every final score.

These other players have several choices. They can outbid their rivals for the favor of the referees. They can try to draw the attention of the spectators to the unfair goings on. They can unite to beat the crap out of their opponents AND the officials. Or they can withdraw from the field of play and take their game to a new location.

Like all analogies, this one can be stretched too and beyond the breaking point.  But just this week, we have seen a classic example of the abuse of power and what happens when the elaborate system of checks and balances is overridden by one means or another.

Sometime ago, the US Congress, while passing an extension of the PATRIOT ACT, approved a one paragraph change that allowed the President to appoint successors to US attorneys who left office and not get Senate approval for the replacements.  Voila! The role of Senate confirmation is precisely one of those devices created by the writers of the Constitution to offset the well known human foible of every human being ever born to acquire power in any way possible. By eliminating that one little part of the escapement in the grand design of government, men seeking power did just that and booted a bunch of US attorney type people out the door. The message to every OTHER US attorney, of course, is do it our way or we will punish you too!

As Charles Schumer said yesterday (and I paraphrase) "The problem Mr. Gonzalez has is that he does not understand that he is no longer the President's personal attorney. He is now the Attorney General of the United States and his obligation is to all the people of the country, not just to the President.

This administration has played this to the hilt, from imposing party apparatchik's on NPR and CPB, NASA, FEMA, the CIA and right on down the line.  In Bush's America, ALL government employees work directly for the President and must kowtow to his dictates or face loss of their jobs/careers and NO government employees are permitted to do the PEOPLE'S business.  Our government has co-opted ALL the officials and has become a runaway train.  Unfortunately, like Casey Jones at the throttle, the ultimate result is inevitable - total wreckage of the train and the railroad.

Without neutral, non-partisan referees, the game is lost. And in the end, those who see themselves as the winners, are the biggest losers of all.

At least that's how things look from the perspective of Chepachet RI this wintry Friday.   Which begs the question: how will America respond to the unholy alliance between the referees and the most powerful players? 
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Re: The Role of Government
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2007, 12:22:56 PM »
The same way they always do...giving the referees more power to control the game!
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Re: The Role of Government
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2007, 01:12:16 PM »

All organized sports are fixed.
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Re: The Role of Government
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2007, 01:22:12 PM »
Organized?
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Re: The Role of Government
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2007, 01:28:39 PM »
Organized?

Exactly.

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Re: The Role of Government
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2007, 12:35:31 PM »
The referees ARE the government on the field.

And as long as the "referees" have the legal power of force over another, there will always be Joey Crawford's.

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