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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2021 => Topic started by: fromwien on September 15, 2021, 06:37:33 PM

Title: SOLVED: FW #227 BMW 600 sketch,1956, Albrecht Graf Goertz
Post by: fromwien on September 15, 2021, 06:37:33 PM
Who did this sketch? For which company? Type? Year?
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Post by: fromwien on September 23, 2021, 12:23:02 PM
Experts?
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Post by: FrontMan on September 24, 2021, 05:08:57 AM
 Renault Dauphine, 1958,
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Post by: fromwien on September 24, 2021, 06:35:19 AM
No
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Post by: sichel on September 24, 2021, 07:28:40 AM
Based on Fiat
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Post by: hermanoto on September 24, 2021, 07:38:00 AM
Frisky Meadows design sketch by Michelotti for Carr. Vignale, mid fifties?
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Post by: fromwien on September 24, 2021, 08:29:45 AM
No
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Post by: sichel on September 24, 2021, 08:35:37 AM
Fiat based?
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Post by: ducamax66 on September 24, 2021, 09:34:04 AM
Zaz?
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Post by: fromwien on September 24, 2021, 09:55:56 AM
No
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Post by: fromwien on September 24, 2021, 09:58:29 AM
Quote from: sichel on September 24, 2021, 08:35:37 AM
Fiat based?
No
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Post by: Rusty Chrome on September 24, 2021, 06:04:37 PM
Design sketch for the Nami-A50?
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Post by: fromwien on September 24, 2021, 06:23:04 PM
No
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Post by: sichel on September 25, 2021, 02:59:51 AM
From Italy?
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Post by: fromwien on September 25, 2021, 03:48:45 AM
No
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Post by: sichel on September 25, 2021, 04:01:40 AM
Base from Germany?
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Post by: fromwien on September 25, 2021, 04:02:41 AM
Yes
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Post by: sichel on September 25, 2021, 05:04:34 AM
NSU?
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Post by: fromwien on September 25, 2021, 06:37:18 AM
No
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Post by: sichel on September 25, 2021, 06:49:04 AM
BMW
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Post by: fromwien on September 25, 2021, 07:17:46 AM
Yes
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Post by: sichel on September 25, 2021, 08:25:32 AM
Based on BMW 700, I think.
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Post by: fromwien on September 25, 2021, 10:12:05 AM
No
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Post by: sichel on September 25, 2021, 12:18:54 PM
K 100 engine?
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Post by: fromwien on September 25, 2021, 12:42:00 PM
No
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Post by: sichel on September 25, 2021, 12:59:46 PM
K 75?
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Post by: sichel on September 25, 2021, 02:05:44 PM
Or: Design for a successor to the bmw 700 with 4 cylinder in-line engine.
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Post by: fromwien on September 25, 2021, 03:04:20 PM
No
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Post by: sichel on September 25, 2021, 03:06:48 PM
Any motorbike boxer-engine?
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Post by: fromwien on September 25, 2021, 03:26:05 PM
Yes
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Post by: sichel on September 25, 2021, 03:44:55 PM
Anything between R50 and R69S
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Post by: fromwien on September 25, 2021, 04:34:35 PM
M
Quote from: fromwien on September 25, 2021, 03:26:05 PM
Yes
But modified
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Post by: fromwien on September 25, 2021, 04:35:38 PM
Quote from: sichel on September 25, 2021, 03:44:55 PM
Anything between R50 and R69S
Yes
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Post by: sichel on September 26, 2021, 04:22:25 AM
Company from Germany?
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Post by: fromwien on September 26, 2021, 05:49:50 AM
Yes, it's a sketch for BMW with BMW-engine
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Post by: sichel on September 27, 2021, 01:42:26 PM
The vehicle does not appear to have side doors, but a front door. So, based on BMW 600?
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Post by: fromwien on September 27, 2021, 02:26:35 PM
Yes, you are right, it's a sketch for a future BMW 600. LOCKED for you to find the year and designer
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Post by: fromwien on October 01, 2021, 06:14:45 AM
Any idea?
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Post by: sichel on October 01, 2021, 07:48:31 AM
Please give me time till monday. I am on tour, new source is waiting at home.

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Post by: fromwien on October 01, 2021, 08:48:30 AM
OK, no problem. All the best to you
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Post by: sichel on October 04, 2021, 12:27:38 PM
The new source has disappointed me a little, still no reference to the drawing. With some searching i came across the type WD 600. In 1957/58 Wolfgang Denzel started its development of a BMW 600 successor with a design on the 600 chassis. Body design from Italy, I think Michelotti. I think that it is a drawing of this model. Afterwards it becomes the BMW 700 with self-supporting body.
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Post by: fromwien on October 04, 2021, 06:16:12 PM
Sorry, no connection with Wolfgang Denzel and Michelotti
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Post by: sichel on October 04, 2021, 07:24:06 PM
has E. Palm designed a new version for his 600?
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Post by: fromwien on October 05, 2021, 02:37:49 AM
Not Palm
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Post by: sichel on October 05, 2021, 03:42:36 AM
Graf Goertz?
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Post by: fromwien on October 05, 2021, 04:36:27 AM
I knew, you will solve that puzzle! Correct! One more point for you!
Title: Re: SOLVED: FW #227 BMW 600 sketch,1956, Albrecht Graf Goertz
Post by: sichel on October 05, 2021, 10:39:33 AM
Thanks very much for the point and the highly interesting puzzle. The point was a surprise, I simply launched a trial balloon. The leap from the 507 to the "Big Isetta" is quite big. But my ambition was aroused because my parents had an Isetta and then two 700s. I had my first, semi-legal road trials with this fleet. I add one more drawing.
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Post by: Carnut on October 05, 2021, 04:19:07 PM
Is that the name "Zetta" written beneath the BMW roundel on the front?
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Post by: sichel on October 05, 2021, 04:44:21 PM
It looks like that too, but I don't have a detailed information.
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Post by: Wendax on October 05, 2021, 05:13:31 PM
No, it says Isetta like on the production car. This last drawing was made by Goertz for an Isetta redesign.
Title: Re: SOLVED: FW #227 BMW 600 sketch,1956, Albrecht Graf Goertz
Post by: sichel on October 06, 2021, 06:08:49 AM
Description at BMW Classic: "Designzeichnung BMW 600 (Vorstudie) Exterieur, Albrecht Graf von Goertz", 1956 (design drawing, preliminary study)
Title: Re: SOLVED: FW #227 BMW 600 sketch,1956, Albrecht Graf Goertz
Post by: Wendax on October 06, 2021, 07:16:13 AM
Back then they probably thought of naming the enlarged car still an Isetta.
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