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Title: SOLVED: FW #251: BMW Coupé Bertone sketch, early 50's
Post by: fromwien on October 24, 2021, 03:36:49 PM
Please identify this sketch: Make? Coachbuilder? Decade?
Title: Re: FW #251
Post by: fromwien on November 12, 2021, 04:04:05 PM
Experts?
Title: Re: FW #251
Post by: Zerk on November 13, 2021, 05:04:35 AM
Perhaps Brooks Stevens' preliminary sketch for the Willys Aero update?
Title: Re: FW #251
Post by: fromwien on November 13, 2021, 05:07:12 AM
Sorry no. Not Brooks Stevens, not an Willys Aero update
Title: Re: FW #251
Post by: gilescooperuk on November 13, 2021, 11:29:31 AM
BMW looks similar to the 508 roadster?
Title: Re: FW #251
Post by: fromwien on November 13, 2021, 11:44:49 AM
BMW is a very good guess! But, sorry, I don't know about a 508 roadster? I think, you meant 507?
Title: Re: FW #251
Post by: gilescooperuk on November 13, 2021, 11:47:20 AM
Oops fat fingers
Title: Re: FW #251
Post by: fromwien on November 13, 2021, 12:05:51 PM
No worry at all, please try to find the coachbuilder and approx. date of this BMW Coupé sketch
Title: Re: FW #251
Post by: fromwien on December 01, 2021, 11:58:17 AM
A quick point for the Professionals?
Title: Re: FW #251
Post by: Carnut on December 01, 2021, 05:34:56 PM
Design by Michelotti?
Title: Re: FW #251
Post by: fromwien on December 01, 2021, 05:44:44 PM
Might be, and I strongly believe, but all I know definitely is the coachbuilder company, the sketch was made for
Title: Re: FW #251
Post by: Carnut on December 02, 2021, 09:45:32 AM
Allemano?
Title: Re: FW #251
Post by: fromwien on December 02, 2021, 10:57:25 AM
Not Allemano, but a well-known coachbuilder Giovanni Michelotti worked for..
Title: Re: FW #251
Post by: Carnut on December 02, 2021, 01:41:13 PM
Vignale?
Title: Re: FW #251
Post by: fromwien on December 02, 2021, 02:41:09 PM
No
Title: Re: FW #251
Post by: Carnut on December 03, 2021, 06:11:40 AM
Moretti?
Title: Re: FW #251
Post by: fromwien on December 03, 2021, 06:37:51 AM
No, better known
Title: Re: FW #251
Post by: Carnut on December 03, 2021, 08:23:17 AM
Ghia-Aigle?
Title: Re: FW #251
Post by: fromwien on December 03, 2021, 08:46:27 AM
Far earlier in the alphabet. Michelotti worked there during the first years of the 50's
Title: Re: FW #251
Post by: sichel on December 03, 2021, 09:16:44 AM
Bertone
Title: Re: FW #251
Post by: fromwien on December 03, 2021, 11:02:32 AM
That's it! One more point for you
Title: Re: SOLVED: FW #251: BMW Coupé Bertone sketch, early 50's
Post by: Carnut on December 03, 2021, 02:23:01 PM
I didn't know he worked at Bertone, although I'm not surprised as he seemed to work just about everywhere..
Strange it doesn't mention Bertone in the Fondazione Negri book "Giovanni Michelotti - una matita libera" though..
Title: Re: SOLVED: FW #251: BMW Coupé Bertone sketch, early 50's
Post by: fromwien on December 03, 2021, 02:50:59 PM
Michelotti took up work (about 1950-1953) for Bertone, while the coachbuilding-world changed completely with the presentation of the new Fiat 1400 with its self-supporting bodywork. In 1952 Franco Scaglione followed Giovanni Michelotti at Bertone.
Title: Re: SOLVED: FW #251: BMW Coupé Bertone sketch, early 50's
Post by: fromwien on December 03, 2021, 03:03:44 PM
I have to add, that, during this partnership with Bertone, Michelotti always worked as a freelance-designer, not employed by Bertone. This may be the reason, why there is nothing mentioned about the Bertone-partnership in the Michelotti Negri book.
I don't want to reveal too much within this statement. I think, during the next years, the  Michelotti-Bertone-partnership will find a resurrection at 'AutoPuzzles'
Title: Re: SOLVED: FW #251: BMW Coupé Bertone sketch, early 50's
Post by: Wendax on December 03, 2021, 03:30:41 PM
Quote from: fromwien on December 03, 2021, 02:50:59 PM
Michelotti took up work (about 1950-1953) for Bertone, while the coachbuilding-world changed completely with the presentation of the new Fiat 1400 with its self-supporting bodywork. In 1952 Franco Scaglione followed Giovanni Michelotti at Bertone.
Page 138  ;)
Title: Re: SOLVED: FW #251: BMW Coupé Bertone sketch, early 50's
Post by: sichel on December 03, 2021, 04:08:46 PM
Wikipedia describes the connection to Bertone, that's why I could shit smart.
Title: Re: SOLVED: FW #251: BMW Coupé Bertone sketch, early 50's
Post by: fromwien on December 03, 2021, 04:14:27 PM
Quote from: Wendax on December 03, 2021, 03:30:41 PM
Quote from: fromwien on December 03, 2021, 02:50:59 PM
Michelotti took up work (about 1950-1953) for Bertone, while the coachbuilding-world changed completely with the presentation of the new Fiat 1400 with its self-supporting bodywork. In 1952 Franco Scaglione followed Giovanni Michelotti at Bertone.
Page 138  ;)
page 26 ff.
Title: Re: SOLVED: FW #251: BMW Coupé Bertone sketch, early 50's
Post by: Wendax on December 03, 2021, 05:05:20 PM
I meant that the picture came from page 138.  :(
Title: Re: SOLVED: FW #251: BMW Coupé Bertone sketch, early 50's
Post by: fromwien on December 03, 2021, 05:41:30 PM
Quote from: Wendax on December 03, 2021, 05:05:20 PM
I meant that the picture came from page 138.  :(
Yes, you are right.
page 26 ff. relates to the Michelotti-Bertone-connection in another publication