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Title: Solved NIC#1270 - Bora Brooklands race car of A. Boorer
Post by: nicanary on October 20, 2020, 04:37:04 AM
What was this car called?
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: nicanary on November 17, 2020, 04:45:28 AM
Experts?
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: richard cuyler on November 17, 2020, 09:05:38 AM
I don't know what it's called, but it may well be the inspiration for Edvard Munch's 'The Scream'  ??? ;)
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: nicanary on November 17, 2020, 09:09:25 AM
Quote from: richard cuyler on November 17, 2020, 09:05:38 AM
I don't know what it's called, but it may well be the inspiration for Edvard Munch's 'The Scream'  ??? ;)

;D
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: 727 on November 17, 2020, 10:49:23 AM
Is this vehicle French?
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: nicanary on November 17, 2020, 12:02:15 PM
Quote from: 727 on November 17, 2020, 10:49:23 AM
Is this vehicle French?

No.
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: 727 on November 17, 2020, 07:55:09 PM
Is this vehicle British?
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: nicanary on November 18, 2020, 04:32:53 AM
Quote from: 727 on November 17, 2020, 07:55:09 PM
Is this vehicle British?

Yes.
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: FrontMan on November 18, 2020, 05:52:57 AM
One of Tommy Hann's Lanchesters?
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: nicanary on November 18, 2020, 07:02:44 AM
Quote from: FrontMan on November 18, 2020, 05:52:57 AM
One of Tommy Hann's Lanchesters?

No, but you have the correct era.
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: 727 on November 18, 2020, 12:25:05 PM
I see a two letter badge. Is this a two letter brand?
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: fromwien on November 18, 2020, 12:38:03 PM
GN Cyclecar?
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: nicanary on November 18, 2020, 01:42:56 PM
Quote from: 727 on November 18, 2020, 12:25:05 PM
I see a two letter badge. Is this a two letter brand?

No, so not a GN.
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: 727 on November 18, 2020, 02:16:40 PM
Does this badge display a number?
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: nicanary on November 18, 2020, 03:05:04 PM
Quote from: 727 on November 18, 2020, 02:16:40 PM
Does this badge display a number?

I don't know what the badge denotes.

PS I have now enlarged the original photo and what looks like a badge is simply a reflection on polished brass. It is not a maker's mark.
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: FrontMan on December 04, 2020, 06:26:46 AM
Is it a "special", such as "Mother Goose" ?
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: nicanary on December 04, 2020, 07:03:57 AM
Quote from: FrontMan on December 04, 2020, 06:26:46 AM
Is it a "special", such as "Mother Goose" ?

Yes, it is a special built for Brooklands, but it's not Mother Goose.
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: FrontMan on December 04, 2020, 12:47:29 PM
Nanette ?
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: nicanary on December 04, 2020, 01:58:45 PM
Quote from: FrontMan on December 04, 2020, 12:47:29 PM
Nanette ?

No. Much less well-known.
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: nicanary on January 03, 2021, 08:35:40 AM
Pros?
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: gte4289 on January 25, 2021, 12:39:30 AM
Raced at Brooklands before 1925?
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: nicanary on January 25, 2021, 05:33:04 AM
Quote from: gte4289 on January 25, 2021, 12:39:30 AM
Raced at Brooklands before 1925?

Yes.
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: gte4289 on January 25, 2021, 05:36:07 AM
Before 1923?
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: nicanary on January 25, 2021, 05:57:19 AM
Quote from: gte4289 on January 25, 2021, 05:36:07 AM
Before 1923?

Yes.
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: gte4289 on January 25, 2021, 06:27:09 AM
In 1921?
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: nicanary on January 25, 2021, 07:01:28 AM
Quote from: gte4289 on January 25, 2021, 06:27:09 AM
In 1921?

Yes. Exactly that year and that year only.
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: nicanary on March 08, 2021, 06:37:50 AM
Masters?
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: fromwien on March 08, 2021, 08:37:00 AM
Temperino?
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: nicanary on March 08, 2021, 09:59:11 AM
Quote from: fromwien on March 08, 2021, 08:37:00 AM
Temperino?

No.
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: pnegyesi on March 08, 2021, 03:00:08 PM
Wolseley-engined?
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: nicanary on March 08, 2021, 03:20:28 PM
Quote from: pnegyesi on March 08, 2021, 03:00:08 PM
Wolseley-engined?

No.
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: pnegyesi on March 08, 2021, 03:27:04 PM
Sunbeam-engined?
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Post by: nicanary on March 08, 2021, 04:26:58 PM
Quote from: pnegyesi on March 08, 2021, 03:27:04 PM
Sunbeam-engined?

No.
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: fromwien on March 08, 2021, 06:06:24 PM
Deemster cycle car, British Anzani
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: gte4289 on March 08, 2021, 07:23:46 PM
Eric-Campbell?
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: nicanary on March 09, 2021, 04:59:13 AM
Neither Deemster nor Eric-Campbell.
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: fromwien on March 09, 2021, 05:59:11 AM
AV cycle car JAP
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: nicanary on March 09, 2021, 06:14:32 AM
Quote from: fromwien on March 09, 2021, 05:59:11 AM
AV cycle car JAP

Much bigger.
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: pnegyesi on March 09, 2021, 09:59:39 AM
Napier powered?
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Post by: nicanary on March 09, 2021, 11:14:53 AM
Quote from: pnegyesi on March 09, 2021, 09:59:39 AM
Napier powered?

Not that big!
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: pnegyesi on March 09, 2021, 11:23:31 AM
engine is of British origin?
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: gte4289 on March 09, 2021, 11:34:03 AM
Horstman?
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: nicanary on March 09, 2021, 01:15:07 PM
Quote from: pnegyesi on March 09, 2021, 11:23:31 AM
engine is of British origin?

Yes, but not a Horstmann.
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: pnegyesi on March 09, 2021, 03:25:04 PM
Talbot-engined?
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: nicanary on March 09, 2021, 04:06:50 PM
Quote from: pnegyesi on March 09, 2021, 03:25:04 PM
Talbot-engined?

No.
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: gte4289 on March 09, 2021, 04:15:10 PM
Charron-Laycock?
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: nicanary on March 09, 2021, 05:08:35 PM
Quote from: gte4289 on March 09, 2021, 04:15:10 PM
Charron-Laycock?

No.
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: Allan L on March 09, 2021, 06:15:17 PM
There is a look of the early Bamford & Martin car "Bunny" but although I've not knowingly seen a radiator as narrow, perhaps it was once like that, so that's my guess
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: fromwien on March 09, 2021, 06:17:16 PM
Enfield-Allday
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: gte4289 on March 09, 2021, 06:42:04 PM
Silent Snow by Major Snow?
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: nicanary on March 10, 2021, 04:42:36 AM
Not Bunny, an Enfield-Allday or Silent Snow.
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: nicanary on March 10, 2021, 05:31:50 AM
A summary so far- it's a British car built for racing at Brooklands. It first raced in 1921 and was re-engined next year and continued to race until about 1926. The engine size was bigger than a cyclecar but not large.

It was not a successful car, more like a hobby for the owner/builder. There are quite a few references on Google if you know what it's called !
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: gte4289 on March 10, 2021, 06:04:43 AM
Marlborough I?
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: nicanary on March 10, 2021, 06:16:21 AM
Quote from: gte4289 on March 10, 2021, 06:04:43 AM
Marlborough I?

No.
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: fromwien on March 10, 2021, 07:08:03 AM
Bleriot-Whippet Blackburne, W. Marchant
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: nicanary on March 10, 2021, 07:18:04 AM
Quote from: fromwien on March 10, 2021, 07:08:03 AM
Bleriot-Whippet Blackburne, W. Marchant

No.
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: gte4289 on March 10, 2021, 09:21:38 PM
Was the car equipped with either a different grille or an extended/modified radiator cowling during the 1921 Brooklands event?
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: nicanary on March 11, 2021, 05:05:06 AM
Quote from: gte4289 on March 10, 2021, 09:21:38 PM
Was the car equipped with either a different grille or an extended/modified radiator cowling during the 1921 Brooklands event?

Not that I know of. All other images of the carm show it with this radiator.
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: gte4289 on March 12, 2021, 09:37:54 PM
It's difficult to tell due to the poor image quality; does the exhaust exit through the engine cowling and run along the passenger side of the car?
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: nicanary on March 13, 2021, 04:48:06 AM
Quote from: gte4289 on March 12, 2021, 09:37:54 PM
It's difficult to tell due to the poor image quality; does the exhaust exit through the engine cowling and run along the passenger side of the car?

Yes. the exhaust is on the left of the car, the right side as you look at the photo.
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: gte4289 on March 13, 2021, 04:54:58 AM
Did the car compete in hill climb events after Brooklands?
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: nicanary on March 13, 2021, 05:28:04 AM
Quote from: gte4289 on March 13, 2021, 04:54:58 AM
Did the car compete in hill climb events after Brooklands?

Very unlikely, although I don't know for sure.
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: gte4289 on March 13, 2021, 06:35:36 AM
Did the car have a silly nickname?
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: nicanary on March 13, 2021, 06:48:39 AM
Quote from: gte4289 on March 13, 2021, 06:35:36 AM
Did the car have a silly nickname?

No, not really. I should imagine it was a variation on the owner/driver's surname.
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: gte4289 on March 13, 2021, 08:06:21 PM
Did this car's 1921 Brooklands appearance take place in March?
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: nicanary on March 14, 2021, 07:20:03 AM
Quote from: gte4289 on March 13, 2021, 08:06:21 PM
Did this car's 1921 Brooklands appearance take place in March?

No. The first mention of the car seems to be late in the summer.
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: fromwien on March 14, 2021, 07:42:23 AM
Donald Marendaz, Marendaz Special
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: nicanary on March 14, 2021, 07:43:44 AM
Quote from: fromwien on March 14, 2021, 07:42:23 AM
Donald Marendaz, Marendaz Special

Not a Marendaz.
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: gte4289 on March 14, 2021, 08:13:43 AM
'Bora' by Boorer & Roberts (M.A.B. chassis and 1792cc 6-cylinder Sage motor)
Title: Re: NIC#1270
Post by: nicanary on March 14, 2021, 08:42:37 AM
I commend the quality of your Austin Harris photo of the car on the banking - you must have better IT equipment than myself! Of course you are correct - it's the spectacularly unsuccessful Bora.

You will note that the exhaust in the 2 photos varies. The car was fitted with at least 3 Sage engines at various times, starting with a 1.7 litre, progressing to a 2.5 litre and then finally gaining a 3rd place finish with a 1.9 litre motor. I think the car raced till about 1926. It always used a Sage engine (of Grays Inn Road and Peterborough) and there is some conclusion that it was used as a sort of Sage "works" car. Frederick Sage were important makers of office and shop furniture and I can think of no reason why they decided to make automobile engines.

Very well solved.

PS I have no reference anywhere of an MAB car. If you know anything..........
Title: Re: Solved NIC#1270 - Bora Brooklands race car of A. Boorer
Post by: gte4289 on March 14, 2021, 08:58:21 AM
Thanks for the point!