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Title: SOLVED: si_114 - Puch - SV 800 - 1936
Post by: sichel on October 10, 2021, 06:20:00 AM
And here again two points are waiting for you. What is shown in the picture? Just before the puzzle disappears into the black hole, I will put another picture online. Whoever solves it before will get two points.
Title: Re: si_114
Post by: sichel on October 17, 2021, 01:04:58 PM
Well, let's see what the experts can do.
Title: Re: si_114
Post by: gilescooperuk on October 17, 2021, 02:38:30 PM
Well it looks like it could be the end of a control rod for an automatic gearbox.

The scale appears to run D 2 3 4 which would suggest the scale is used to calibrate the rod /cable pull to ensure the gearbox selects the correct position?
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Post by: sichel on October 17, 2021, 03:37:52 PM
Sorry, but no. No connection to a automatoc gearbox.
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Post by: Rusty Chrome on October 22, 2021, 12:43:08 PM
Is it a fuel gauge or something to do with calibrating fuel mix on a two stroke?
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Post by: sichel on October 22, 2021, 03:09:58 PM
Not a bad idea, but wrong.
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Post by: D-type on October 25, 2021, 08:14:13 AM
Is it some sort of dipstick?
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Post by: sichel on October 25, 2021, 08:46:02 AM
Unfortunately also not :(
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Post by: Johno on October 26, 2021, 03:42:45 PM
Since that looks like a gearbox and final drive is it possibly an indicator or adjuster for the friction plates on a limited slip differential?
Title: Re: si_114
Post by: sichel on October 26, 2021, 03:57:27 PM
A great idea  :thumbsup: a sign of a lot of technical understanding and even more imagination. But unfortunately, unfortunately wrong. But the direction is right.
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Post by: gilescooperuk on October 26, 2021, 05:07:31 PM
Hmm let's try a different tack.

Is it mounted in a motorbike?
Title: Re: si_114
Post by: sichel on October 26, 2021, 05:20:01 PM
Yes!  :thumbsup:
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Post by: gilescooperuk on October 26, 2021, 05:21:05 PM
BMW motorbike?
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Post by: sichel on October 26, 2021, 05:23:25 PM
No.
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Post by: gilescooperuk on October 26, 2021, 05:24:15 PM
European?
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Post by: sichel on October 26, 2021, 05:33:12 PM
Yes.
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Post by: gilescooperuk on October 26, 2021, 05:33:56 PM
British?
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Post by: sichel on October 26, 2021, 06:09:41 PM
No.
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Post by: richard fridd on October 27, 2021, 03:59:42 AM
Shaft drive?
Title: Re: si_114
Post by: sichel on October 27, 2021, 02:47:46 PM
Yes
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Post by: sichel on October 27, 2021, 03:36:17 PM
Sorry, NO shaft drive!!!
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Post by: gilescooperuk on October 27, 2021, 03:38:14 PM
Italian?
Title: Re: si_114
Post by: sichel on October 27, 2021, 04:04:50 PM
No.
Title: Re: si_114
Post by: richard fridd on October 28, 2021, 02:15:09 AM
Is it a rotating shaft?
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Post by: sichel on October 28, 2021, 04:03:22 AM
No.
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Post by: richard fridd on October 28, 2021, 02:27:15 PM
Is it a 'push- pull' shaft?
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Post by: sichel on October 28, 2021, 03:13:39 PM
Yes, it is a 'push- pull'-lever.
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Post by: richard fridd on October 28, 2021, 03:49:55 PM
Manual gearbox lever?
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Post by: sichel on October 28, 2021, 04:24:46 PM
Yes
Title: Re: si_114
Post by: sichel on October 29, 2021, 08:30:55 AM
This is a part of a maunaual gearbox control. Locked for "richard fridd" to disribe the function and to name manufactorer and model.
Title: Re: si_114
Post by: richard fridd on October 29, 2021, 01:50:13 PM
 A Sequential gearbox 1, neutral, 2,3,4. Gear adjusting tool? German? Can't of anything else so please unlock.
Title: Re: si_114
Post by: sichel on October 29, 2021, 03:52:34 PM
Richard, You are right, it is the gear indicator of a manual gearbox. No German manufactorer. So, go on searching, good luck!
Title: Re: si_114
Post by: richard fridd on October 30, 2021, 02:46:57 AM
Southern european?
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Post by: sichel on October 30, 2021, 05:21:01 AM
No.
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Post by: richard fridd on October 30, 2021, 05:30:37 AM
Northern european?
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Post by: sichel on October 30, 2021, 06:16:18 AM
Between them.
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Post by: richard fridd on October 30, 2021, 12:51:00 PM
Czech? Please unlock for others to have a go.
Title: Re: si_114
Post by: sichel on October 30, 2021, 01:18:15 PM
Not Czech, unlocked. Respect for your fairness!  :hail:
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Post by: Rusty Chrome on October 30, 2021, 03:34:32 PM
Variable rate suspension adjustment?
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Post by: sichel on October 30, 2021, 03:48:18 PM
No, we are already at the gearbox.
Title: Re: si_114
Post by: richard fridd on October 31, 2021, 01:42:44 AM
Central European country of manufacturer?
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Post by: sichel on October 31, 2021, 02:53:32 AM
Yes!
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Post by: richard fridd on October 31, 2021, 05:56:05 AM
Well know brand?
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Post by: sichel on October 31, 2021, 06:10:05 AM
Yes.
Title: Re: si_114
Post by: richard fridd on October 31, 2021, 06:48:42 AM
German?
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Post by: sichel on October 31, 2021, 06:59:12 AM
No.
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Post by: richard fridd on October 31, 2021, 10:36:59 AM
Austrian?
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Post by: sichel on October 31, 2021, 11:02:12 AM
Yes!
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Post by: richard fridd on October 31, 2021, 12:27:38 PM
Over 700cc?
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Post by: sichel on October 31, 2021, 03:06:13 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: si_114
Post by: richard fridd on November 01, 2021, 02:18:14 AM
Proprietry engine shared with other brands?
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Post by: sichel on November 01, 2021, 02:43:55 AM
I don't know.
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Post by: richard fridd on November 03, 2021, 08:36:29 AM
Horizontally opposed cylinders?
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Post by: sichel on November 03, 2021, 09:20:29 AM
Yes, nearly.
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Post by: richard fridd on November 03, 2021, 03:05:55 PM
Vee cylinders?
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Post by: sichel on November 03, 2021, 03:12:37 PM
Difficult question to answer. Cylinders nearly horizontal, crankshaft built like a V-engine.
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Post by: richard fridd on November 04, 2021, 09:43:14 AM
More than 110 degrees?
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Post by: sichel on November 04, 2021, 10:41:38 AM
Around 150 degrees.
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Post by: richard fridd on November 05, 2021, 02:19:16 PM
Civilian or used by the authorities?
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Post by: sichel on November 05, 2021, 04:46:27 PM
As well as... ;)
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Post by: richard fridd on November 06, 2021, 08:57:12 AM
Military issue?
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Post by: sichel on November 06, 2021, 09:30:02 AM
Also civilian.
Title: Re: si_114
Post by: sichel on November 12, 2021, 04:31:41 PM
Professionals are now in demand.
Title: Re: si_114
Post by: fromwien on November 12, 2021, 06:38:58 PM
Puch P 800 1936. 165°-792ccm-4-cylinder-engine, 20 HP, only 550 examples produced
Title: Re: si_114
Post by: fromwien on November 12, 2021, 06:58:10 PM
Some pictures attached
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Post by: fromwien on November 12, 2021, 07:26:33 PM
Some Puch P 800 engine infos (and difference between V-engine and boxer-engine):
V-engine: Two connecting rods on a common crank pin
Boxer-engine: The connecting rods of opposing cylinders are mounted on their own crankshaft throws, which are offset by 180 ° from one another

See these principles at the attached six-cylinder sketch

Please compare with the anatomy of the Puch P 800 engine
Title: Re: si_114
Post by: sichel on November 13, 2021, 12:40:04 PM
Yes, you are right, it is a Puch 800. No wonder, there are only 200 km between Vienna and Graz ;)
The description of boxer and wide-angle v-engines are very informative and will certainly make some users smarter. But there are other informations about the cylinder angle. They tells that the cylinders are raised by 16 degrees each, that makes complete 180 degrees minus 32 degrees, i.e. 158 degrees cylinder angle. But there is still something to be clarified: my main-question is: "What is shown in the picture". And that is not the complete motorbike but only a specific component. Which compnent?
Title: Re: si_114
Post by: fromwien on November 13, 2021, 12:51:09 PM
Quote from: sichel on October 29, 2021, 03:52:34 PM
Richard, You are right, it is the gear indicator of a manual gearbox. No German manufactorer. So, go on searching, good luck!
Thought you accepted this as an answer?
Title: Re: si_114
Post by: sichel on November 13, 2021, 01:06:53 PM
For double points I can be picky  ;) The Puch 800 gearbox differs in one important respect from other hand-operated motorbike gearboxes and therefore has the gear indicator.
Title: Re: si_114
Post by: richard fridd on November 13, 2021, 02:22:05 PM
Overdrive mechanism?
Title: Re: si_114
Post by: sichel on November 13, 2021, 02:24:26 PM
No overdrive. Locked for 'fromwien' to clear this last detail.
Title: Re: si_114
Post by: fromwien on November 13, 2021, 02:39:50 PM
The four-speed gearbox was operated by means of an automatic gearshift - after the gear change, the hand lever clicked back into neutral.
The indicator on the shift linkage, prominent part of your picture, showed which gear is engaged at the moment
Title: Re: si_114
Post by: sichel on November 13, 2021, 03:04:14 PM
Yes, thats it!!! Two more points. Another interesting detail: the gearshift linkage is inserted through a hole in the main frame tube. And here another histroc photo, you like so much.
Title: Re: SOLVED: si_114 - Puch - SV 800 - 1936
Post by: fromwien on November 13, 2021, 04:35:04 PM
Many thanks to show this Austrian motorcycle icon and its specialities our 'AutoPuzzles'-community. And for the historic pictures!
A Puch-brochure attached