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I think I've seen this before... Is it French?

 :shakehead:

Is it George Eyston's Diesel powered racer?

Yes it is...can you tell me its name?
Locked for you till your next reply.

I think it had two names, the 'AEC Fuel Oil Safety Special' and 'Black Magic'.

Perfect!
One more point for you.
This car was not so obscure, but I think from this angle it was not so easy!

I think I was wrong...this is indeed the 130hp engined car that runs with oil.
Quite the same...

but different...

I'm not 100% sure but I think they are the same car, the tail section is the main difference.

2 more pictures from the web.....

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e175/neilshouse/safety_special.jpg)

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e175/neilshouse/IMG_0606.jpg)

I had them too and they explain the differences, beside the tail section there are also the cycle-wing on the oil-powered version. I also think that it is basically the same car.

Are you saying there was a version of this car which did not have the AEC diesel bus engine?
If so, as I have not heard of one can you say what engine it had and what purpose it served.
My understanding was that the class records for diesel-engined cars were not very high, so a 130 b.h.p. engine in a car like that could take them and at Brooklands, which by then was not the most suitable venue for "proper" record speeds

Quote from: Paul Jaray on August 19, 2009, 06:29:56 PM
I think I was wrong...this is indeed the 130hp engined car that runs with oil.
Quite the same...

OK, reading this, I was not so clear...I think that this car was slightly modified during its carreer because in some pictures (or drawings) it has a longer back and cycle-wings. Not enough to make it a different car, but enough (for me) to point it out. The engine is the same as reported in both text: a 130hp fuel-oil engine.

Here's another view:

A fascinating car, I have been reading more about its history, built from a Chrysler Imperial chassis in 1932/33 by Delaney and Sons with a fabric body by Vanden Plas and an 8.9 litre diesel AEC bus engine.

It was tested at Pendine and the first record attempt was at Brooklands in October 1933 with George Eyston setting a flying kilometer record of 103 mph.  The next year at Monthery the car had been modified with the longer tail, wire wheels, and cycle wings, taking another record for the flying kilometer and mile at 115mph. In 1936 the car and Eyston returned to Monthery setting a 24 hour record of 94mph.

The car was road legal and practical with 4 doors and 4 seats, and due to the torque of the diesel engine could be easily driven around town and returned 22mpg.

It seems no-one knows what happened to the car after that, there were reports that it was still about post WW2, maybe it is still sitting in a barn somewhere, who knows?

Great, thank you.

Quote from: neilshouse on August 21, 2009, 05:18:38 AM
A fascinating car, I have been reading more about its history, built from a Chrysler Imperial chassis in 1932/33 by Delaney and Sons with a fabric body by Vanden Plas and an 8.9 litre diesel AEC bus engine.

It was tested at Pendine and the first record attempt was at Brooklands in October 1933 with George Eyston setting a flying kilometer record of 103 mph.  The next year at Monthery the car had been modified with the longer tail, wire wheels, and cycle wings, taking another record for the flying kilometer and mile at 115mph. In 1936 the car and Eyston returned to Monthery setting a 24 hour record of 94mph.

The car was road legal and practical with 4 doors and 4 seats, and due to the torque of the diesel engine could be easily driven around town and returned 22mpg.

It seems no-one knows what happened to the car after that, there were reports that it was still about post WW2, maybe it is still sitting in a barn somewhere, who knows?

Ah, yes, of course it was built by Delaney's as was GETE's "Speed of the Wind" long distance record car. I remember Tom Delaney showing me photos of that car under construction there.

Paul, I took the liberty of correcting your typing mistakes in the topic's title, hope you don't mind.

Thank you Ray, sometimes I have limited time to check my typing and I follow the 'they'll get the meaning' rule.
(BTW what I wrote?)

Eyeston and Specilal.
You still can see it above. I didn't went to the extent of correcting all posts.

 :doh:

I´ve just found a car so similar that I think it must be the Eyston.

The interesting fact is that at the Goldth website, they claim it to be their own development.

I´ll try to translate the german text correctly:

QuoteRecord trip of 1933. Here´s the record car of 1933. A DIESEL engine drove this projectile with a speed of 193km/h forward. The record was set up on the "house-track" between Cappeln and Eckernförde - there a 8 kilometers long nearly straight lane guarantees records. The picture shows the record car - by the way a self-built vehicle of the Goldth' workshop - behind the worker's houses of Flensburg-Rude, shortly before the record-attemt at the 27th of May 1933. A second record trip set on the way back could not be accomplished any more at this day because of the leakage of a fuel tank carried in a service truck (the second trip should by the way take place with vegetable oil!).

I found the Goldth KG site too, and actually posted that very car as a puzzle. It's was quickly discovered to be a repost. I think if you study said website a bit further, you'll find that it's all fantasy  ;)

That´s what I think, too.
It seems to be a pure fake story.

I´ve found the original picture with the following text:

QuoteA very early photo of the A.E.C. diesel record breaker before it was seen by the press at Brooklands in 1933.

posted by werks prototype on the tnf cutaway thread;

Oh, wow - there are some very interesting details!

Thank you.

Quote from: grobmotorix on September 20, 2010, 06:19:49 PM
Oh, wow - there are some very interesting details!

Including the AEC badge on the engine! This one's a bit more modern:
(http://middx.net/aec/badge/comp.gif)

Are pictures of this car quite hard to come by? I have a few that haven't been posted here yet but it'll take some time to digitise them (no scanner - meta-photography!) so I need to know if there is any need to do so before I start.... Let me know if you want them!

Always appreciated!

Sure!

Ok not the best quality but I don't think we've had these before. The first shows the car in the factory in a nearly complete stage, the second shows Eyston himself on board and the third is from the test at Brooklands. One more to come in a few minutes when I've made a half-decent copy.

Prior to the first record run at Brooklands, 1933

Interesting exhaust arrangements for a six-cylinder in  "eyston1.jpg" don't you think?
The cutaway posted by fnqvmuch shows a much less sporty job, probably as used on the AEC bus.
I feel I should know the people in that "eyston1.jpg" photo.

Interesting too that the original puzzle photo is on high pressure beaded edge tyres (well out of date by 1933) and all the others are on normal tyres, even Dunlop triple-stud. Further as shown in 1933 (original photo and others including the one just above this post) it has centre-lock wire wheels and elsewhere bolt-on discs.

According to the article where I found the photos, it had two sets of wheels of differing sizes to give two different final drive ratios, and Dunlop tyres. My guess would be only one set had the wheel-discs, presumably the set that was found most useful for long-distance record breaking.
The car existed and was driven publically from 1933-37 which explains the various different detail differences in all the pictures we've seen here so far, I assume bits were tweaked here and there as they went along.

As I said, some of those wheels look like bolt-on disc jobs, rather than R/W knock-ons with wheel-discs. In Bill Boddy's Montlhéry book it is seen in 1937 with knock-ons which have a much greater hub and nut diameter than those seen in this thread. It has smooth treaded track tyres, and no mudguards.

A better copy of the small picture in reply #14:

A  1933 photo:

Excellent!
What happened to the famous "Goldth KG" website as referred to four years ago?

I hope it´s gone forever... ;)

A 1934 magazine clipping:

And a rear view:

I have very little info in this. I need a company name & date.

Play fair, stay away from Google Search by Image' as it is BANNED on AutoPuzzles.

Looks very similar to the George Eyston Diesel record breaker, Vanden Plas bodies safety special

This is not what I have it as.

It was a Chrysler chassis with AEC engine if either of those come up

As stated at the start of the puzzle, I have very little info on these pictures and based on what you have indicated, I can now confirm that this is a "Chrysler"chassis with AEC engine! Keep on looking and you will aslo find the name I'm looking for!

Puzzle locked for "BrockO5"

Depending on the description you have it'll be something around George Eyston, AEC 9.6 litre Safety Special bodied by Vanden Plas for Brooklands Diesel record attempts, came with different tail stylings & wheel fairings depending on the exact article & which magazine feature it's in

I'm after the name where the engine has been installed in the chassis.

Puzzle still locked for "BrockO5"

CT Delaney of Maida Vale

That is what I was after! Here all the details on the car, partially also due to some answers from Brock05.

Captain George Eyston, decided that he would show how fast and effective a compressionignition engine could be. Eyston was a director of the Associated Equipment Company of Walthamstow, and used one of their diesel engines, of the kind found in London 'buses, which was installed in a Chrysler chassis at C T Delaney's works in Maida Vale. AEC introduced the CI engine for heavy-duty vehicles from about 1920, and were no doubt pleased for Eyston to publicise their power units in this way. The engine used was an 8850cc fourcylinder weighing 14141bs.

Eyston had business associations with Chrysler Corporation in this country, hence the choice of chassis. The engine gave 130bhp and the Chrysler's final-drive ratio was changed to 1.94:1. Eyston realized that a smart, practical-looking vehicle was necessary and he got Vanden Plas to make an impressive, streamlined, narrow saloon body for the AEC Safety 6 Special. It was roadequipped with modest mudguarding and lamp's, and weighed 2.1/2 tons; with its louvred tail strapped down like the long bonnet, the appearance suggested a racing special. At this time, late in 1933, dieselclass records were not recognized by the FIA. But in the LIS, C L Cummings was claiming 100.75mph for a diesel car.

Eyston arranged for a run at Brooklands on October 27 1933. It was a pouring wet day, people watching under a sea of umbrellas. The AEC was timed officially over the two-way flying-start km and mile after the racing tyres had been changed for ribbed ones. GET was drier than we were inside the car, the spray from it rising higher than its roof, as the back mudguards were not fitted. Though he had difficulties when one wiper blade blew off and the other lifted, he averaged 104.86mph for the km, 101.98mph for the mile.

Quote from: Mogul on September 24, 2018, 09:18:38 AM
Eyston arranged for a run at Brooldands on October 27 1933.

Brooklands?!

This is a repost and the original thread (which is here) https://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/2011-39/solved-pj161-eyston's-aec-fuel-oil-safety-special-1933/ (https://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/2011-39/solved-pj161-eyston's-aec-fuel-oil-safety-special-1933/)
has a lot of information on the car, some of which is not consistent with some of this thread.
For example the firm that built is was  L. T. Delaney & Sons, Ltd. 115, Carlton Vale, Maida Vale, London, N.W.6  not C.T. Delaney who was one of the "& Sons"
It was road legal and probably went to Brooklands on its own wheels.

Merged.  Probably a case of apostroheitis rather than the more common hyphenitis...!

What's that?? Who designed it and when, who built it, with which engine, on which chassis?

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Eyston record car, 1934, with AEC diesel engine, run by Capt. George E.T.  Eyston.
With this and several other cars he broke many speed records.
I do have a lot of 'period' clippings about it

 :grad:

Locked for hermanoto. You are right, but I miss coachbuilder and chassis-manufacturer and my pruduction-date is one year different.

Eyston (1897-1979) was responsable for the engineering of the "AEC Fuel Oil Safety Special".
It had an AEC Associated Equipment Company) diesel engine of 8.85 litres, capable of 130HP, it used BP fuel-oil, Castrol lubricating oil, Dunlop tyres.
Designed by Mr. Ernest Douglas August ELDRIDGE (1897-1937).

The car was build on a CHRYSLER chassis.
The Chrysler chassis was reworked by C.T. DELANEY and SONS, from Maida Vale, London.
In october 1933 it ran 106.647MpH at Brooklands

... and bodywork by VANDENPLAS

...........but what were the tyre pressures???

@hermanoto: Thats's it, now your answer ist complete. Thank You for this extensive background informations!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Up to now, I only knew record diesel-cars built by Hanomag, Peugeot, Opel or Mercedes-Benz.
One more point for You.

Merged again (and grammatically wrong blanks added around the apostrophe so that the search engine might be able fo identify Eyston)

Wendax, I think I used the wrong button for searching.